No separation

Mark Schlereth on Mike & Mike this morning stated that the Patriots receivers were not getting separation from the Jets corners in man coverage on the Jets blitzes. He said that is why the Jets were able to get to and pressure Brady so often. I don't think I can even name any of their starters - Barret maybe one? If our receivers can't get open in single coverage, what does that mean for opposing defenses going forward? I would think that everyone is going to blitz Brady knowing they don't have to worry about getting burned. Or are the Jets DBs that good?

ChockBlkr said:

Mark Schlereth on Mike & Mike this morning stated that the Patriots receivers were not getting separation from the Jets corners in man coverage on the Jets blitzes. He said that is why the Jets were able to get to and pressure Brady so often. I don't think I can even name any of their starters - Barret maybe one? If our receivers can't get open in single coverage, what does that mean for opposing defenses going forward? I would think that everyone is going to blitz Brady knowing they don't have to worry about getting burned. Or are the Jets DBs that good?

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That is the fear, Indy did the same thing. Denver setup the blue print last year in the play-offs. The Pats have to start taking some shot deep to prevent the Safety from coming in full speed into the backfield unblocked.

It seems like play action and Jackson running a deep pattern is the answer but maybe I am making it too simple. Until the Patriots connect on a couple of deep balls we are going to see 8,9 men in the box and Brady under constant pressure. So much for the theory "You can't blitz Brady..."

The good news is we have 7 games to work this out, and field turf will help.

cstjohn17 said:

That is the fear, Indy did the same thing. Denver setup the blue print last year in the play-offs. The Pats have to start taking some shot deep to prevent the Safety from coming in full speed into the backfield unblocked.

It seems like play action and Jackson running a deep pattern is the answer but maybe I am making it too simple. Until the Patriots connect on a couple of deep balls we are going to see 8,9 men in the box and Brady under constant pressure. So much for the theory "You can't blitz Brady..."

The good news is we have 7 games to work this out, and field turf will help.

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The scary part is that even after that long pass to Gaffney, the Jets kept bringing everyone untill the last play of the game.

My question on the game is how much did the field conditions have to do with this issue. If a QB can not scramble or move and Brady is the best at moving and avoiding, doesn't that mean it's easier to blitz?? I agree Denver did the same thing..I think the receivers were not ready at that time..were ready Sunday. but could not show much in the muck. Do they need to stretch the field?? Of course!! I just think conditions were that bad that made it a LOT worse than it would have been.

When you look at the number of completions Brady made plus the good number of incompletions where the WR was open, this isn't a concern for me. Having WR open wasn't the problem. Getting the ball to them (and holding onto it, Gabriel) after the catch were more of the issue.

cstjohn17 said:

That is the fear, Indy did the same thing. Denver setup the blue print last year in the play-offs. The Pats have to start taking some shot deep to prevent the Safety from coming in full speed into the backfield unblocked.

It seems like play action and Jackson running a deep pattern is the answer but maybe I am making it too simple. Until the Patriots connect on a couple of deep balls we are going to see 8,9 men in the box and Brady under constant pressure. So much for the theory "You can't blitz Brady..."

The good news is we have 7 games to work this out, and field turf will help.

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Play-Action isn't going to help much if you're already getting single coverage. In fact, if the defense is committing to the blitz, then a slow-developing play like a run-fake is just going to get Brady sacked.

IMO, a big part of the problem is w/ the protection. All WRs need a little time to get separation -- if the Pats oline could pick up the blitzes a little better, Brady + the WRs might be able ot burn 'em.

This is why the shotgun/spread offense has been working well for us -- by spreading the defense out, it makes it easier for the line to identify the rush and makes their jobs a lot simpler. Thing is, if we want to stay comitted to the running game, we can't be in shotgun all the time.

Didn't BRady use more shotgun in earlier seasons when blitzed?

When is the last time the Pats used a screen pass to slow down the blitz?

Let's review the pass-rush play distribution for the New England Patriots offense in the last two games:

Patriots vs Colts
33 rushes vs 35 passes

Patriots vs Jets
25 rushes vs 37 passes

Now let's review the New York Jets rush defense this year:

Week 1 vs Tennessee

Titans Offense: 86 rushing yards on 25 carries

Week 2 vs New England

Patriots Offense: 147 rushing yards on 39 carries

Week 3 vs Buffalo

Bills Offense: 169 rushing yards on 31 carries

Week 4 vs Indianapolis

Colts Offense: 160 rushing yards on 36 carries

Week 5 vs Jacksonville

Jaguars Offense: 181 rushing yards on 39 carries

Week 6 vs Miami

Dolphins Offense: 129 rushing yards on 29 carries

Week 7 vs Detroit

Lions Offense: 125 rushing yards on 22 carries

Week 8 vs Cleveland

Browns Offense: 147 rushing yards on 39 carries

If that's not a swiss cheese run defense in the NFL than what is?

How is it that against the worst rush defenses in the NFL, the New England Patriots call far more pass plays than rush plays? This simply boggles the mind!

Perhaps a little more no-huddle offense would help the passing offense. Brady's concentration and execution seems to excel in hurry-up and no-huddle situations.

Hey Nem...based on your irrational posts over at Patriotsplanet...shouldn't you be dead by now? Just curious as to how you made it out of your "situation."

Willie55 said:

When is the last time the Pats used a screen pass to slow down the blitz?

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NEM said:

The last time was BM. (Before McDaniels)

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That's incorrect. They did it very successfully in the Monday Night Game against Minne-haha. Here's the corroborating evidence:

Breer

Felger

Dr. Z

NEM said:

Yes, he does well in those situations. ANd he is a good play action quarterback too. He throws nice screen passes, also. And, he does well on the deep post, not the sideline fly pattern.

But, as we now see, no one has taught McDaniels anything. McDaniels has Brady doing everything that he doesnt do well at. McDaniels is out of his league.

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I have an idea.

Do you think it would be possible for you to start a dedicated "NEM" thread which we can visit for all your up-to-the-minute updates on just how bad a job you feel McDaniels is doing?

That way, the other threads can stay on track and not all end up about the same complaints you make every week, and will likely keep making, until McDaniels tears out the half of the playbook you don't like.

No response eh Nem...just as I figured. Well...I am glad that you made it through your "situation," but I (as well as many others) never believed your drivel in the first place.

Patriotsplanet is a whole lot better since you were banned...here's to the hope that Ian gives you the boot as well.

ChockBlkr said:

The scary part is that even after that long pass to Gaffney, the Jets kept bringing everyone untill the last play of the game.

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Good point, but I think the truly scary part is: "the Jets kept bringing everyone untill the last play of the game, and it worked."

That final play where we still had a shot at least to tie says it all. Years past, that'd be a dramatic ending, with this passing game it's a fumble and game over.

NEM said:

Yes, he does well in those situations. ANd he is a good play action quarterback too. He throws nice screen passes, also. And, he does well on the deep post, not the sideline fly pattern.

But, as we now see, no one has taught McDaniels anything. McDaniels has Brady doing everything that he doesnt do well at. McDaniels is out of his league.

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I see that you honored your 'No more bashing the OC' bet.