"Dink and dunk"

What is interesting is that in the Minnesota, Pittsburgh, and Detroit games we had critical downfield completions.

The Tate Pittsburgh/Minnesota plays could be argued as the critical plays of the game.

"Don't" or "infrequently do" is much different than "can't".

The other name for this offense is the "West Coast Offense". Is that really better?

I see nothing wrong with "dink and dunk"; neither does Brady.

We play the SF West Coast offense, without a fullback, and with a few modern wrinkles.

jmt57 said:

Unfortunately the term 'dink and dunk' is not going to disappear. It's a derogatory term used by fans of opposing teams in an attempt to diminish the success of the Patriots in general, and Brady in particular. As long as the Pats keep winning that segment of opposing fans will keep repeating it.

Try to look at it this way: if those opposing fans are still using the term then that means the Pats are under their skin - which means the Pats are not only still relevant, they are successful. When those same fans stop talking about the Pats and trying to put them down, that's when you'll know we have problems.

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No offense, but your perspective is skewed. It has nothing to do with the Patriots at all.

Dink and Dunk has been a term used by analyst and fans alike long before the Pats were on anyone's mind. I remember hearing the term when Merlin Olsen was calling a Cardinals game QB'd by Jim Hart.

So, yeah, it was a defensive player using a term that was quasi demeaning. Still, it shouldn't offend anyone, especially if your team is successful while "dinking and dunking".

SVN said:

its also a term which mediots use to explain what the pats are doing without star players which basically means they cant explain how they are doing so lets just say "dink and dunk" or "brady is a game manager" ..IMO

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Brady places a high priority on taking care of the football. People throw around "game manager" as some kind of insult, but the fact is that success as a quarterback is directly related to "managing the game." I take it as a complement.

I always love the "all he does is dink and dunk" argument. If it's that much easier to score that way, why isn't every single team in the league "dinking" and "dunking"? Are Offensive Coordinators really that stupid?

I actually don't mind the term. It does diminish, in words, what happens out there, but in a way, I think it might lull our opponents a little bit, into thinking it's easy to stop. Like, "we don't have to be afraid of no dink and dunk offense!" when in fact, they should be very afraid.

RayClay said:

Tate has room to improve, but Branch is really the perfect receiver for our system, he does it all.

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I have to admit I was kind of on the fence on bringing him back. But, wow. To see what he's doing on the field and think about what he's teaching the younger guys behind the scenes, great pickup.

Brady has dinked his way to 4 Super Bowl appearances, winning 3. Dunked his way to multiple Pro Bowls, All-Pros, and MVPs (NFL & SB). Managed his way into a Hall of Fame worthy career.

I'll take that in 8-3/4 seasons as a starter in the NFL.

Wait, just think about that for a second. Brady and played in 8-3/4 season (2008 injury season excluded)

He has:
5 Pro Bowls
1 1st Team All-Pro
1 League MVP/2 SB MVPs
1 Come back player of the year
4 Super Bowl Appearances/3 Wins
5 Conference Title Appearances/4 Wins (2 @ Pittsburgh)

107-32 Reg Season Record
14-3 Post Season Record

Seriously...look at those numbers. All this in 8-3/4 seasons. Unbelievable.

How about

"Dissect & Dice"?

This got me thinking, What the hell does "dink" even mean?

"Dink"
Definition: small hat or Definition: newly rich

"Dunk"
Definition: dip in liquid

This saying is complete bull sheat! Really makes no sense at all. So Tom Brady drives down 86 yards for the go ahead score using the "small hat dipping in liquid" offense? Is this like waterboarding? This saying really needs to go the way of the 8 track tape. Glad you brought this up, I hate stupid sayings that become everday phrases.

Oh yea and Tom Brady has silenced most of his critics with his play on the field. He wasn't short passing his way to 50 TDs in 2007 and he pretty much shut everyone up about his "noodle arm" pretty quick. Brady's critics are 9 times out of ten straight haters.

If the term causes anyone to underestimate us, then I think the term is beautiful.

Uncle Rico said:

I have to admit I was kind of on the fence on bringing him back. But, wow. To see what he's doing on the field and think about what he's teaching the younger guys behind the scenes, great pickup.

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Oh, I think he's a devious weasel, I won't forgive him. But, I don't pay him and there's no guarantee we would have won with him.

He just happens to be perfect for our offense, while Moss was more like a separate offense.

MustaphaM0nd said:

Brady places a high priority on taking care of the football. People throw around "game manager" as some kind of insult, but the fact is that success as a quarterback is directly related to "managing the game." I take it as a complement.

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i do too. As BB says its the QB's job to manage the game and he even said that about manning a few times when praising him. But any media member just uses it as a -ve. infact these are cliche buzzwords which anyone in front of the camera with or without knowledge of the game throws around and people pick up as a gospel.

the obliterate and humiliate.

Bearstuff said:

No offense, but your perspective is skewed. It has nothing to do with the Patriots at all.

Dink and Dunk has been a term used by analyst and fans alike long before the Pats were on anyone's mind. I remember hearing the term when Merlin Olsen was calling a Cardinals game QB'd by Jim Hart.

So, yeah, it was a defensive player using a term that was quasi demeaning. Still, it shouldn't offend anyone, especially if your team is successful while "dinking and dunking".

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Yeah, the term has been around for a while, and is still used today in regards to other teams. It's just that in my opinion, the most common use of the term that I read or hear is in a description of the Patriots offense, and in a context that is intended to demean the Pats in general, or more often to demean Brady specifically. This doesn't apply so much to the media, but far more in terms of NFL fans when they use that term.

To look at it from another angle, how often does an NFL fan use the term dink and dunk in a complimentary way - especially if they are talking about Brady?

But perhaps you are right; being that I am a Pats fan there is certainly a chance that my perspective is skewed.

This past Monday night, one of the ESPN guys (no sure who), said Brady is the point guard of our offense.

In my mind, there is no better description to what he's doing right now. We are running a NBA style offense. We set our picks with pre-snap motion/formation and Brady knows where the open guy will be before the ball is snapped. What makes this style go is Brady's read and recognition at the line and his ability to readjust on the fly. It's amazing and it's why not every team can implement the same style.

Right now, the only things that can slow them down is if Brady is having a bad day. Luckily those are few and far between.

3 Super Bowl victories using an offense built upon "Dink and dunk". 1 Super Bowl appearance using an offense built upon "Bombs away".




As long as they don't start with the "Chuck and duck", I'm fine with it.

Move and Groove?

right now brady is in the mvp talk and pro bowl etc. But iam sure , if 2007 hadnt happened, no one would think of brady as that guy. just a sad fact.before that he was doing the same thing as now , just his creds have increased. his 2006 season was as good as anyone's and deserved some mvp votes. Even the patriots receiving any pro bowl considerations now are mor ebecause people have the impression of the 2007. until then ,all you heard was "they dont have the most talented players in the league, but they just dont make any mistakes"

They can call it dink and dunk or whatever else they want so long as they also call it the highest-scoring offense in the NFL by a significant margin.

Has "Dink and Dunk" replaced WCO?

Thats what I saw

"Bill Walsh's West Coast Offense differs from traditional offense by emphasizing a short, horizontal passing attack to help stretch the defense out, thus opening up options for longer running plays and longer passes that can achieve greater gains. The West Coast Offense as implemented under Walsh features precisely run pass patterns by the receivers that make up about 65% to 80% of the offensive scheme. With the defense stretched out, the offense is then free to focus the remaining plays on longer throws of more than 14 yards and mid to long yard rushes."

West Coast offense - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia