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The rat can jump off a turd stool.
 
Haha, Mike Ditka was just on Mike and Mike and asked about taping.. they asked him just how commonplace this kind of thing was in the league and you can tell they were expecting him to say that he never saw such a thing, but he just goes off about how his team used to do the same thing and its not that big of a deal, and that you get the same thing out of watching a lot of film. They were speechless.
 
color me shocked....Ditka is/was a BB hater....good for him

The Pats were punished for this three years ago. They and BB suffered the public demolition.
People have forgiven them and its time to move on. Ditka seems to echo that sentiment.

Of course there will be other predictable media types launching their grenades this week, but we shouldnt get worked up about this now closed Denver problem.
 
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I'm not sure what the big deal is. I thought it was widely accepted that BB and the Pats taped defensive signals over the years and used them after the fact in preparation of future games. I don't think this changes anything. I can't imagine people are trying to say that the Pats made a practice of taping walk-throughs given that teams hold those at their own facility and it has already been determined that they didn't do it before the Rams Super Bowl. I'm sure the media will still drag it up for the next week or so, but I'm not going to get to worked up about it.

No one seems to point out that SS was working for the Jets and Mangini during Spygate 1 so if he was willing to do it for McDaniels, maybe he was taping for the Jets too.

I wrote this over in the Sons of Sam Horn Patriots forum...may as well cut and paste it instead of retyping it.....

Scarnecchia worked with the Pats during the time when the Pats were taping (which wasn't against NFL rules until 2006). Was he involved with the taping? Almost certainly. Then he left with Mangini to go to the Jets from 2006-2008. During that time, the Jets were involved in the practice of taping opponents, including the Patriots. Here's a quote from this Dec 2007 story by Rich Cimini in the NY Daily News (Spy for a spy: Jets started video battle

"The Jets-Patriots spy games became a national story in September, when the Patriots were busted for illegally videotaping Jets coaches from the sideline at the Meadowlands. Unbeknownst to the public, the two teams engaged in video warfare throughout the 2006 season. At a game in Foxborough, a Jets employee was caught videotaping from the end-zone stands, according to a league source. The camera wasn't confiscated and the incident wasn't reported to the league, but Patriots officials were miffed."

So Scarnecchia was part of the Jets' video crew that was involved in taping the Patriots. But - and here's the key from the NYDN article, "There are specific rules that restrict videotaping at games. According to one, no video recording devices are permitted in the coaches' booth, the sideline or the locker room. Based on that rule, the Jets didn't do anything illegal last year at Gillette Stadium."

So what the Jets did was legal because the camera was placed in an acceptable location while the Pats were doing it from an unacceptable one. But the intent and principle was the *exact* same. Taping an opponent to get a read on their signals.

And now Scarnecchia has been caught doing it for the Broncos - though this time, he taped a practice walkthrough, which is even more egregious.

So Scarnecchia was involved in taping with the Patriots, and then with the Broncos, and in-between, who did he work for? The Jets. Did he tape opponents for the Jets? Yes. It's been documented.
 
Haha, Mike Ditka was just on Mike and Mike and asked about taping.. they asked him just how commonplace this kind of thing was in the league and you can tell they were expecting him to say that he never saw such a thing, but he just goes off about how his team used to do the same thing and its not that big of a deal, and that you get the same thing out of watching a lot of film. They were speechless.

Awesome. And of course it was commonplace. There is nothing more enraging than these douchenozzles needing smelling salts at the very thought of such a thing. That's why I can't look at any media outlets seriously. They are embarrassing.
 
Haha, Mike Ditka was just on Mike and Mike and asked about taping.. they asked him just how commonplace this kind of thing was in the league and you can tell they were expecting him to say that he never saw such a thing, but he just goes off about how his team used to do the same thing and its not that big of a deal, and that you get the same thing out of watching a lot of film. They were speechless.

In a shocking development, I cant find anything about this on PFT. If someone can find a link confirming this Ditka comment please post it.
 
I think we can pretty much all agree that SpyGate was completely blown out of porportion by the media because Bill Belichick makes no attempt hide his feelings off distain for mediot nation.
If a media suck-up were found guilty of the exact same thing you wouldn't find 2/3rds the coverage/condemnation for the same exact sin.
 
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Haha, Mike Ditka was just on Mike and Mike and asked about taping.. they asked him just how commonplace this kind of thing was in the league and you can tell they were expecting him to say that he never saw such a thing, but he just goes off about how his team used to do the same thing and its not that big of a deal, and that you get the same thing out of watching a lot of film. They were speechless.

Ditka has been very vocal about how bad cheating used to be in the NFL. He claimed George Allen would send spies to videotape Bears practices. George Halas used to make players switch jerseys to confuse Allen.

He also claimed Halas used to bug visiting lockerrooms. Paul Brown was aware of this and held team meetings in the showers with the showers going on game day.

Ditka has always been on the side of cheating has been going on forever in the NFL. Most of the old coaches have been on Belichick's side from day one. It is mostly newer coaches who have been acting like Belichick committed murder.

Ditka hates Belichick and the Pats, but he has always been on the side of Spygate being overblown and no big deal.
 
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BTW, Belichick's press conference with the Jets media this week should be very interesting. I am assuming it will be mostly Spygate rehash and few questions about the actual game. The Jets media could put the Jets in a bind since this could even further fire up the Pats to beat the Jets.
 
Haha, Mike Ditka was just on Mike and Mike and asked about taping.. they asked him just how commonplace this kind of thing was in the league and you can tell they were expecting him to say that he never saw such a thing, but he just goes off about how his team used to do the same thing and its not that big of a deal, and that you get the same thing out of watching a lot of film. They were speechless.

"It's no big deal," former Cowboys and Dolphins coach Jimmy Johnson told the Daily News yesterday. "Everybody made too much out of it when it happened. This stuff has been going on for 20 years. I did it, too."


Read more: Spy for a spy: Jets started video battle
 
This situation will be buried by the NFL because it's in the best interest of the league for that to happen with the current labor situation. In my eyes this is what should have happened the first time, a small fine and move on. It's something that all teams do to some extent to gain a competitive advantage and Goddell wanted that to change and establish that under his watch things would be different. He levied a hefty fine and loss of draft pick but what he didn't plan on happening was the big media attention it received for a long period of time. -- much longer than the current news cycle. Realizing his error, he took a differen route. He does not want to make it a bigger deal than it is this time around.
 
Spygate II should seal McDaniels' fate - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN

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i wish more people did the research how the games played out. brady had less than 200 yards of offense in sb 36 and a lot came on the final drive. even martz has said that if they knew our offensive signals they didnt do a good job .but i guess people look at the results only now
here are two major stories we know about. One, that Matt Walsh, a former New England employee, admitted to filming the Rams during a walk-through practice at the Superdome before their improbable loss to the Patriots in Super Bowl XXXVI at the end of 2001 season.

I have always viewed the Rams' loss to the Patriots as the greatest upset in Super Bowl history. The Patriots were a young team with a second-year quarterback, Tom Brady, who had only one offensive threat, receiver Troy Brown. The Rams were loaded with potential Hall of Famers like Marshall Faulk, Kurt Warner and Isaac Bruce, to name three. Most casual fans say the Jets' upset of the Baltimore Colts was bigger, but if one analyzes that game, the Jets did have a great quarterback in Joe Namath and Hall of Fame receiver Don Maynard and many other excellent players. It was just that no NFL fan believed the AFL teams were any good.


McDaniels and Scarnecchia, the son of longtime New England offensive line coach Dante Scarnecchia, met on the job in New England after that Super Bowl victory over the Rams.

My other story also relates to another Super Bowl, and it should surprise no one that the Patriots won this one, too. McDaniels and Scarnecchia were on the job in New England for this one.

To this day, some believe the Patriots taped their practices before the game. I always looked at it like sour grapes, but today I don’t. My sources had specific examples of plays the team worked on only the week before the game. They were changeup pass-and-run plays off of their predictable tendencies. “We were pretty pleased with ourselves because we thought we came up with something that would have worked and surprised their defense,” one source said. “But the Patriots shifted their defense, like they knew exactly what was coming. I believe they filmed our Super Bowl practices. I don’t know how they did it, but they did it. No coach is that good!”

I’ve worked as a pool reporter at many a Super Bowl and I can attest to how strict the security is at these practices. But if you have played in the game, I’m sure you know from experience what areas might be left unprotected or where there might be easier access to a team’s practice field. I’ve seen NFL security men patrolling parking garages and also wooded areas near team practice facilities. At times, I thought coaches and certain general managers were being pretty ridiculous with their security demands. Still, they had their own fears about their opposition and to what lengths some coaches would go to win.
 
This situation will be buried by the NFL because it's in the best interest of the league for that to happen with the current labor situation. In my eyes this is what should have happened the first time, a small fine and move on. It's something that all teams do to some extent to gain a competitive advantage and Goddell wanted that to change and establish that under his watch things would be different. He levied a hefty fine and loss of draft pick but what he didn't plan on happening was the big media attention it received for a long period of time. -- much longer than the current news cycle. Realizing his error, he took a differen route. He does not want to make it a bigger deal than it is this time around.

What I find irritating from our end: if it wasn't that big a deal - and was in fact done by many - why didn't BB/Kraft protest vehemently @ this big fine?? Why didn't they hint or reveal that it was widespread?? (That is what many of us fans were hoping they do so that people realize that it is a widespread issue and that our team was also taped.)

Scre* Goddell's ego or his need to show that he is a tough guy. We are dealing with the permanent tarnishing of both BB's and the franchise name and that outweights the need of any other individual, especially one who is not with the franchise. So, if I were in BB/Kraft's shoes, I would have fought it all the way to get my name cleared.

Accepting this hefty punishment, poorly managing the PR, and worse, apologizing to all the team owners/coaches @ a private meeting, supports the widespread notion that this was far more serious.
 
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Spygate II should seal McDaniels' fate - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN

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i wish more people did the research how the games played out. brady had less than 200 yards of offense in sb 36 and a lot came on the final drive. even martz has said that if they knew our offensive signals they didnt do a good job .but i guess people look at the results only now

This phrase in that article makes me furious: "What Walsh did in the Superdome is exactly what Scarnecchia ...".

Didn't the NFL, with its reputation down the line, have a hearing with Walsh and throw away his allegations essentially dismissing him as a liar??

How come this reporter does not even use the word 'allege' and make it sound as if he knows exactly what Walsh did??? Sad because this reporter has a long tenure covering the NFL.
 
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