Stopping Jets offense

DaBruinz said:

The reason there is no mention that he is "in the top half in terms of yards" is because that is negated by a few things. First is that He, Brady, Brees, and Palmer have played in 11 games. The rest of the league has only played in 10. Sanchez is averaging only 33.1 attempts per game. That's 23rd in the league. He's also only averaging 6.8 yards per attempt. Good for 24th in the league.

So, it's easy to see how looking at just YARDS is something a HOMER would do where as, looking at the rest of it is something a level headed person would do. You clearly are the former and not the latter.

Sanchez isn't "clearly on his way" to being an above average QB unless you are living in the 1970s. The reality is that QBs who can't complete over 60% of their passes in this NFL don't last long.

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Look, stats can be intepreted a million ways to try and prove a point, that is why they can not be the sole indicator of perfomance. I was meely pointing out that at least two sides of the spectrum should be looked at. Again notice how you conveniently choose not to adess the two to one td/int rate, because it didnt suit your argument.

And just an fyi Eli Manning didnt have a completion percentage in the 60%'s untill 2008. And they won a superbowl.

And, who is to say that Sanchez will not get to 60% within a year or two. I mean it is even possible that he will get there this year.

Completion Percentage is a severely over rated way to judge a QB.

Ruby2 said:

Look, stats can be intepreted a million ways to try and prove a point, that is why they can not be the sole indicator of perfomance. I was meely pointing out that at least two sides of the spectrum should be looked at. Again notice how you conveniently choose not to adess the two to one td/int rate, because it didnt suit your argument.

And just an fyi Eli Manning didnt have a completion percentage in the 60%'s untill 2008. And they won a superbowl.

And, who is to say that Sanchez will not get to 60% within a year or two. I mean it is even possible that he will get there this year.

Completion Percentage is a severely over rated way to judge a QB.

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Yes, every way that your QB sucks is an over rated way to judge a QB, but pointing to a TD/INT ratio that's shiny looking based upon a fast start, while ignoring how lousy he's been in that department since the Jets bye week, (and the week before the bye, for that matter)*....


Well, that's a great indicator!










*Sanchez has thrown at least one interception in each of his last 6 games. His TD/INT ratio during that span is 1/1, having 8 TDs and 8 INTs.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SancMa00/gamelog/2010/

1) Jam there receivers at the line, don't give them a 10 yard cushion because its easy yards for sanchez.
2) Contain the run
3) Contain Keller over the middle of the field. The ILBs really need to step up in this one. both on the run and covering Keller.

fgssand said:

Let's get down to it.......I am not scared of the "Sanchise" in any way. I think, at this point he is an above average QB at best, possibly headed towards "good" as his career progresses. Nothing to fear and we certainly have faced and beaten much better this year.

What does concern me a whole lot is trying to cover their passing game threats - TE's have eaten us up alive this year and Keller has always hurt us. The always not so classy, crybaby Tomlinson has to be a major worry cathing passes out fo the backfield. They have their pair of the fine, upstanding, good citizen, good role model and all aorund nice guy bookends in Holmes and Edwards. Rounding things out are Crotchery (if he is ready to go), and Brad Smith, coming off of his best game as a pro yesterday.

Our DB group seems to be getting better every week, but still prone to giving up too much yardage. Out LB's are not doing a good job in coverage at all and our pass rush has been fair/good, but nowhere near the dominating force desired.

So, beating the jests is going to come down to taking away their run game, which I am confident will be done and then making Sanchez feel uncomfortable, hence forcing mistakes.

Thoughts and analysis please?

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BB just have to make sure Darius Butler is INACTIVE i don't want to see Mark Sanchez playing catch with the WR he's trying to cover.

TriplecHamp said:

1) Jam there receivers at the line, don't give them a 10 yard cushion because its easy yards for sanchez.
2) Contain the run
3) Contain Keller over the middle of the field. The ILBs really need to step up in this one. both on the run and covering Keller.

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Good point about that the 10 yard cushion because as a Defense you are literally conceding 6 yards to the Offense. 2nd and short 9 times out of 10 is advantage Offense.

Ruby2 said:

Look, stats can be intepreted a million ways to try and prove a point, that is why they can not be the sole indicator of perfomance. I was meely pointing out that at least two sides of the spectrum should be looked at. Again notice how you conveniently choose not to adess the two to one td/int rate, because it didnt suit your argument.

And just an fyi Eli Manning didnt have a completion percentage in the 60%'s untill 2008. And they won a superbowl.

And, who is to say that Sanchez will not get to 60% within a year or two. I mean it is even possible that he will get there this year.

Completion Percentage is a severely over rated way to judge a QB.

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Whine, whine, whine. Cry, Cry, Cry. Listen, you're a hypocrite. You cherry-picked the stats you wanted. All I did was take one of them and blow it up to prove that the stat wasn't all it was cracked up to be.

I ignored the TD/Int stat because it was your argument. Not mine. But if you'd like to look at it, let's do so. The 16 TDs puts Sanchez at 13th in the league. The 8 Ints put him at 16th. Hardly what I'd call better than average.

As for your wet dream that Sanchez could make 60% by the end of the year, it's unlikely. Considering that he is attempting 33.1 passes per game, that would be 166 attempts over the next 5 games. He'd have to complete 117 of those passes to raise his 55.2% completion rate to 60%. That 117 completions would be over 70% of the 166 attempts. Sanchez has only completed 70% of his passes ONCE. And you think he's miraculously going to do it 5 times in a row??

Also, I did not base my judgement of Sanchez totally on completion %. But I can see how a homer like yourself who can't see beyond his green/white colored glasses would think that.


As for ELI MANNING. Bringing him up doesn't help your case. Why? For several reasons. The main reason is that the Giants have significantly more invested in Eli than the Jets do in Sanchez. To the tune of MULTIPLE 1st round picks and other draft picks. Also, Manning is a legacy name because of Archie and Peyton.

As for winning the SB, that was handed to Manning. Just like the ones his brother won. But that is another story.

PatsFan2 said:

Good point about that the 10 yard cushion because as a Defense you are literally conceding 6 yards to the Offense. 2nd and short 9 times out of 10 is advantage Offense.

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Why does this "10 yard cushion" myth persist?

Patspsycho said:

Why does this "10 yard cushion" myth persist?

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Because it's not a myth. Last year, the Pats CBs lined up consistently 9-10 yards off the receivers. There was no jamming at the line..

This year, however, is different. The Pats have played more man coverage with the jams at the line.

Ruby2 said:

I love how you just chery pick stats. No mention of his 2 to 1 td/int rate, no mention that he is in the top half in terms of yards, no mention that he has lead multiple come backs and game winning drives, and worst of all no mention that he is in his 2nd year.

Maybe he isn't above average yet, although I and most level headed people would certainly argue otherwise, but he is clealy on his way.

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Not cherry picking at all.
Yards per game he is 23rd. (You cant put him in the top half because he played 1 more game than most QBs)
TD/Int ratio is part of QB rating.
I did mention the comebacks. It wouldnt have necessary to make comebacks against terrible teams if he played better.
2nd year is completely irrelevant unless you are interested in moral victories. Are you fine that your QB is below average because you can make the excuse that its only his 2nd year? Do you get spotted points based on QB experience? The quality of his play is the quality of his play.

DaBruinz said:

As for winning the SB, that was handed to Manning. Just like the ONE his brother won. But that is another story.

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Fixed that for ya.

shmessy said:

Thanks, Ron, you're 100% right - - after checking his posting history it was obvious he has been a complete fraud. I'm letting him stay for now and giving him the chance to make an honest apology to our posters (who include HONEST fans of other teams also).

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Masquerading as a New England Patriots fan while being a true New York Jets Fan deserves a lifetime ban. Ever hear of Benedict Arnold?

Ruby2 said:

I love how you just chery pick stats. No mention of his 2 to 1 td/int rate, no mention that he is in the top half in terms of yards, no mention that he has lead multiple come backs and game winning drives, and worst of all no mention that he is in his 2nd year.

Maybe he isn't above average yet, although I and most level headed people would certainly argue otherwise, but he is clealy on his way.

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Sanchez is 22nd in passer rating through eleven games. He is clearly on his way to nowhere since he is not close to above average.

Ruby2 said:

I love how you just chery pick stats. No mention of his 2 to 1 td/int rate, no mention that he is in the top half in terms of yards, no mention that he has lead multiple come backs and game winning drives, and worst of all no mention that he is in his 2nd year.

Maybe he isn't above average yet, although I and most level headed people would certainly argue otherwise, but he is clealy on his way.

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Sanchez is 24th in yards per passing attempt through 11 games this season. He is nowhere close to even average.

Ruby2 said:

I love how you just chery pick stats. No mention of his 2 to 1 td/int rate, no mention that he is in the top half in terms of yards, no mention that he has lead multiple come backs and game winning drives, and worst of all no mention that he is in his 2nd year.

Maybe he isn't above average yet, although I and most level headed people would certainly argue otherwise, but he is clealy on his way.

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Mark Sanchez is rated 30th in completion percentage through eleven games this season. Sounds more like closer to the bottom of the garbage pile than clearly on his way to what?

ATippett56 said:

Masquerading as a New England Patriots fan while being a true New York Jets Fan deserves a lifetime ban. Ever hear of Benedict Arnold?

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Wow, I just checked that guy's posts. The amount of effort to sustain something so pointless is almost frightening.

Sanchez did magically have a good game against us, i thought after that Ravens game, this would be cakewalk. I'm still not worried. Our defense has played much better since that game, I think Sanchez knows this and it will affect his play. He will watch for McCourty, i know he sees what this guy is doing as a rookie and will be cautious of interceptions especially since he's been throwing them as of current.

They won't beat us in Foxboro, i'm very confident about that. our team will play hard, harder than ever because they know whats on the line. Rex is afraid of us, he knows what this game is. We will get some good plays, picks from defense and i see a Sanchez fumble.

Tom Brady will have another great game. Wood head will show them why they should have kept him. The TEs are key in this game since having Revis and Cromartie as corners they won't need to double team Welker.

Cromartie is good but he is not Revis.I agree about the TEs doing something.I am also waiting on Tate to make some plays.I think getting to Sanchez is a big key.If he has all day then he will carve up this defense.I think Sanchez is a good QB.I think he is understanding the game more.

I agree with earlier comments that you need to start by mugging Keller at the line. Take away Sanchez's primary target and punish him.

I think this applies to LT as well. Since the run is going to be the priority anyway the ILBs should never let him have a free release. He must also be jammed and punished. He did a ton of damage vs us in the first meeting and was an emotional catalyst. We need to turn that around. NE fans hate him so if the LBs just keeps nailing him for little to no gain the crowd will get into it. I think Spikes will get the early down snaps and I don't like the match up in space vs LT. The screen game has killed the defense this year.

Against the WRs I think we are going to see a lot of inside technique. Yes he can hit the outside shots as we saw to Edwards at the end of the Texans game but as pointed out earlier in the thread it's playing the percentages. He's much more confident in hitting the quick slant like against Cleveland. Those are his bread and butter to the receivers.

Patspsycho said:

Why does this "10 yard cushion" myth persist?

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For the same reason people critcized the OCs play calling in 2007 when the team set an alltime record for points scored.

Kid~Brady said:

Sanchez did magically have a good game against us, i thought after that Ravens game, this would be cakewalk. I'm still not worried. Our defense has played much better since that game, I think Sanchez knows this and it will affect his play. He will watch for McCourty, i know he sees what this guy is doing as a rookie and will be cautious of interceptions especially since he's been throwing them as of current.

They won't beat us in Foxboro, i'm very confident about that. our team will play hard, harder than ever because they know whats on the line. Rex is afraid of us, he knows what this game is. We will get some good plays, picks from defense and i see a Sanchez fumble.

Tom Brady will have another great game. Wood head will show them why they should have kept him. The TEs are key in this game since having Revis and Cromartie as corners they won't need to double team Welker.

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One thing of concern is that (aside from Lions game) the Patriots loses steam during the 4th quarter, and allowing the opponent to score plenty of points. You can say those were garbage points, but, the Jets have a knack of winning the close games. If you allow the Jets to score pts in the 4th, they have a better chance of winning it, than any other team, so far.