Horrible NFL Trades

Minnesota Mike · Oct 29, 2006

kierkegaard said:
The Moss trade is starting to look worse and worse trade everyday. And I thought it was a bad trade to begin with.

Worse and Worse for which team? When you consider everything (Cap implications, chemistry etc) I think the Vikes made out pretty well.

Aqua4Ever04 · Oct 29, 2006

Keegs said:
Yeah actually i do,

what's it to you Troll?

that's all you got scumbag??

make a point or shut your mouth.

You already proved my point for me. You don't know s*** outside the Pats. You said the Seahawks blew out the Rams when it was one of the best, tightly contested games in football this year.

Keegs · Oct 29, 2006

Aqua4Ever04 said:
You already proved my point for me. You don't know s*** outside the Pats. You said the Seahawks blew out the Rams when it was one of the best, tightly contested games in football this year.

Yeah we already talked about that pages back... I got it confused and for some reason typed in "blowout".... i also remembered a game when several reaceivers scored touchdowns and it seemed like each and every one had a td. I obviously made a mistake.

but don't tell me i dont know anything outside the pats.. I work every sunday all day and i'm forced to watch crappy regional games of teams i don't care about...
the point was that Branch isn't making a big impact. And he won't. It was a stupid trade of Seattle to do, giving up a 1st rounder.

Now go away Troll.

p.s. your team is the worst in the nfl... how does that feel?

Aqua4Ever04 · Oct 29, 2006

Keegs said:
Yeah we already talked about that pages back... I got it confused and for some reason typed in "blowout".... i also remembered a game when several reaceivers scored touchdowns and it seemed like each and every one had a td. I obviously made a mistake.

the point was that Branch isn't making a big impact. And he won't. It was a stupid trade of Seattle to do, giving up a 1st rounder.

Now go away Troll.

p.s. your team is the worst in the nfl... how does that feel?

You're just saying that because it was from the Pats. Picks are so overrated in that sense. Seahawks got a pretty good deal if you ask me.

As for your last comment, that's not what being a fan is all about. It's about being loyal and supportive and that's what I am. You can dis my team, but what am I suppose to do?

Keegs · Oct 29, 2006

Aqua4Ever04 said:
You're just saying that because it was from the Pats. Picks are so overrated in that sense. Seahawks got a pretty good deal if you ask me.

As for your last comment, that's not what being a fan is all about. It's about being loyal and supportive and that's what I am. You can dis my team, but what am I suppose to do?

You are supposed to stick by them, which is good that you are doing that..

but i seem to remember you being highly obnoxious before the season so that's what you get.

I'm not seriously saying that b/c it's the pats. A 1st rounder for Deion is HUGE... much more than he is worth. I guarantee you that the other teams in the AFC were not happy when they heard the pats got a 1st rounder for a guy THAT WAS LEAVING ANYWAYS!

khayos · Oct 29, 2006

I'm still amazed the Seahawks gave up a 1st rounder given their existing receiving core, but a Super Bowl MVP and leading receiver for two SB teams? You have to pay and that seemed reasonable.

Too bad the Seahawks weren't smart enough to keep Hutchinson or their season might have gone ALOT differently. Now we have to play him.

Captain Cliche · Oct 29, 2006

The reality of the situation will hit Seattle's front office and their fans when they have to sit out the entire first round and half the second before they get to pick.

khayos · Oct 29, 2006

Hutchinson ... I'll say it thirty times ... they really screwed that up. I'd guarantee him 49 million over Neal and Mankins any day of the week. And I love those guys.

Keegs · Oct 29, 2006

Captain Cliche said:
The reality of the situation will hit Seattle's front office and their fans when they have to sit out the entire first round and half the second before they get to pick.

but, but, but, what if their 1st round pick would have been a stiff?

(massive amounts of sarcasm)

khayos · Oct 29, 2006

Keegs said:
but, but, but, what if their 1st round pick would have been a stiff?

(massive amounts of sarcasm)

I'll take Trufant for $400, Alex

nukin · Oct 30, 2006

JoeSixPat said:
I don't have an answer, but I do have a question for the Moderators:

Is there any way bump this thread ahead so it appears four years in the future, after we've actually used Seattle's 1st round draft choice and had some time to figure out if it was a good selection or a bad selection?

I think you're a little bit pre-mature Keegs... of course at 23, I suppose we all were.

I will bump this thread in 4 years. I promise.

italia44 · Oct 30, 2006

just wanted to jump in with something I think keegs is overlooking.

Seattle has Branch's value THIS year.
Pats get the No. 1 picks' value NEXT year.

What you have to weigh is TWO years of Branch's value against ONE year of the draft choice.

Then,you have a fair comparision of the value to each team.

You have to count Branch's stats for 2 seasons.

Lastly,to call this one of the best trades of all time is ludicrious.

JoeSixPat · Oct 30, 2006

italia44 said:
just wanted to jump in with something I think keegs is overlooking.

Seattle has Branch's value THIS year.
Pats get the No. 1 picks' value NEXT year.

What you have to weigh is TWO years of Branch's value against ONE year of the draft choice.

Then,you have a fair comparision of the value to each team.

You have to count Branch's stats for 2 seasons.

Lastly,to call this one of the best trades of all time is ludicrious.

Good points italia44 -

But what you fail to understand is, the fact that Seattle gave up a 1st round pick instead of a 2nd round pick makes this one of the most "horrible" trades in the history of the NFL

And you just can't argue with that sort of logic.

WHO a team uses that pick for doesn't enter into the equation either, so don't go there.

Miguel · Oct 30, 2006

Can a trade be a win-win trade for both teams??

FreeTedWilliams · Oct 30, 2006

Remember when you are talking trades tow recent coaching trades..

maybe the worst ever...

the Jets sent BB to the Pats for a First and a third,

Followed closely by...

The Chiefs give the Jets a fourth rd pick for HERM!~!~!!

The mere fact that the Jets got another NFL team to give them any compensation for Herm is a miracle, hell it made them a better team just not having him around, let alone getting a 4th rd pick for him.

JoeSixPat · Oct 30, 2006

Miguel said:
Can a trade be a win-win trade for both teams??

Absolutely not. That was my view before I became better educated by those who correctly point out that who a team selects with a draft choice CANNOT be considered in the equation of whether its good trade or bad trade.

JoeSixPat said:
Is it generally accepted that we won't know if its a good trade or not til we know who we get with the #1 pick and how they work out?

Or is this still up for debate?

To me this was a decent trade for any team with cap space (and they all do with the new CBA) who expected to be in the lower 1/3rd of the draft this year.

WRs that can catch 75 passes a season (if you believe that Branch can replicate last year consistently) do not grow on trees and you can get outbid or outmaneuvered when trying to find someone in free agency (see: Derrick Mason)

Drafting a 1st round WR is a crap shoot - it could be a waste and at the very least, it can take 2 years to see them develop into a top tier player (take note everyone expecting instant impact from Chad Jackson!)

So instead of drafting a 1st round WR, Seattle gets instant and essentially guaranteed production from that draft pick.

That's not horrible, stupid or anything close. It's a win win trade for both teams at this point - hopefully a better move for the Patriots long term but time will tell.

I've seen the light that when rating trades involving players for draft picks, its just crazy talk to factor in how the deal eventually works out.

The bottom line - Seattle giving up a #1 pick when as keegs says, a #2 would be more in order makes this an awful, horrible, one of the worst in the history of the NFL, trade that favors the Patriots.

Keegs · Oct 30, 2006

JoeSixPat said:
Absolutely not. That was my view before I became better educated by those who correctly point out that who a team selects with a draft choice CANNOT be considered in the equation of whether its good trade or bad trade.

I've seen the light that when rating trades involving players for draft picks, its just crazy talk to factor in how the deal eventually works out.

The bottom line - Seattle giving up a #1 pick when as keegs says, a #2 would be more in order makes this an awful, horrible, one of the worst in the history of the NFL, trade that favors the Patriots.

Not worst in the history.... not awful....

I said "HORRIBLE" and that is what it is.

RayClay · Oct 30, 2006

JoeSixPat said:
Absolutely not. That was my view before I became better educated by those who correctly point out that who a team selects with a draft choice CANNOT be considered in the equation of whether its good trade or bad trade.

I've seen the light that when rating trades involving players for draft picks, its just crazy talk to factor in how the deal eventually works out.

The bottom line - Seattle giving up a #1 pick when as keegs says, a #2 would be more in order makes this an awful, horrible, one of the worst in the history of the NFL, trade that favors the Patriots.

A pick is a pick, that is true although how high a pick is a factor, (if we think Seattle will be less than SB material, for instance.

However, a young player is a variable. Deion could be the next Jerry Rice making this a great trade for Seattle.

I think it's a win win only in this way. A lot of people think Holmgren's fed up and wants to go for it now. Replacing linemen and such is what he should do, but that won't give an instant boost.

He knows what he wants and is willing to pay the price. Might really stink being a Seahawk fan in a few years.

I hope Pats fans are wary of the win today screw tomorrow approach. I really think drafting and paying new LBs and DBs to go with our completely built OLine, Dline and RBs of the present and future, TEs, overshadows 1 receiver.

Lloyd_Christmas · Oct 30, 2006

I think trading Gabriel for a mere 5th rounder was a worse trade than the Branch trade.

How about the Rob Johnson trade a few years ago. I think GB got a 2nd or 3rd rounder for that brittle loser.

I agree that the Duckett trade was crappy for the Redskins.

Any trade involving Ricky Williams is bad also.

Johnny Z · Oct 30, 2006

From my perspective, the worst trade in the NFL history was the Jon Hadl trade.

"So on the morning of Oct. 22, 1974, a desperate Devine placed that call to Los Angeles.

And then he mortgaged a franchise's future, paying the staggering price of two No. 1 draft choices, two No. 2 picks and a No. 3 to the Rams for John Hadl.

As great as Hadl had been, he was 34 years old. ..."

And in 1974 dog years, 34 would be about 42 today.

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