The Colts have beat the Patriots 5 out of the last 6 meetings

Buchanty · Nov 19, 2010

As is the case with most statistics the data is open to interpretation. As such the conclusion that L Bizzle comes to is nothing more than his opinion. There is no empirical evidence that Manning has "figured out the Pats defense". It is a possible explanation but not the only one. Equally tenable is the fact that the Patriots' defense is not as good as their dominating years, and certainly it was a common theme from 2005 onwards that the defense was "old". Another interpretation of the data would support the argument that the re-emphasis of the contact rules has made an impact on the ability of the defense to contain the passing offense.

There is no provable case in this argument other than the fact that the Colts have won 5 of the last 6. Manning is very good at reading and reacting to defenses (not just those of the Patriots) but it certainly does not mean that he will win every game because he has worked out the Patriots defense.

RyanTheColtsFan · Nov 19, 2010

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:
LOL, the "Woe is me" campaign at its finest.

let's look at some of the possible outcomes and the spin you will put on it:

Patriots win a close one: "Wow, Peyton is a God, I can't believe how he single-handedly kept it close. Brady and the Patriots suck if they can't demolish this MASH unit on their home field"

Colts win a close one: "Wow, Peyton is a God, I can't believe how he single-handedly won this game with no help. It validates him as the best ever!"

Patriots win a blowout: "Wow, it's to bad we didn't see our real team out there. It's too bad that Peyton, a God and the best ever, had no help whatsoever and Brady's superior teammates carried him to a deceptively easy victory."

I would expect a loss regardless of the health of the Colts. Patriots are tough @ home.

Kontradiction · Nov 19, 2010

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:
LOL, the "Woe is me" campaign at its finest.

let's look at some of the possible outcomes and the spin you will put on it:

Patriots win a close one: "Wow, Peyton is a God, I can't believe how he single-handedly kept it close. Brady and the Patriots suck if they can't demolish this MASH unit on their home field"

Colts win a close one: "Wow, Peyton is a God, I can't believe how he single-handedly won this game with no help. It validates him as the best ever!"

Patriots win a blowout: "Wow, it's to bad we didn't see our real team out there. It's too bad that Peyton, a God and the best ever, had no help whatsoever and Brady's superior teammates carried him to a deceptively easy victory."

We would be doing the exact same thing if we were in their position and lost the game. Or do you not remember the flu/heat excuses from 2006?

TBradyOwnsYou · Nov 19, 2010

L Bizzle said:
Why take out any games? Oh so you can manipulate the stats to fit your argument........ I listed every game in the rivalry without moving taking out or distorting any facts

And the 10+ ppg difference was the COLTS increase over the first 4 games to the last 6 READING COMPREHENSION

so If by lawyered you mean, cherry picking stats, arguments, and being purposely deceitful, yes I was lawyered pretty good by you I hope I never get stuck with you if i'm in need of a public defender

I did not manipulate stats. I showed the exact same stats you showed, only I showed them in reference to time in an effort to disprove your theory.
The title of YOUR thread is "5 of the last 6", I am unsure what other stats matter here.

L Bizzle said:
Wow I'm really losing some of you.

This conversation has NOTHING to do with The Colts vs Patriots ppg

It has been about the INCREASE of the COLTS PPG and success against the Patriots defense. I don't see what the last 2 posters comparing the Colts/Pats PPG are trying to get at in the context of this conversation

Um, as I showed you, the Colts PPG has been DECREASING of late.
I do however hope you stick around to eat your crow on Monday, it will be nice to see.

TruthSeeker · Nov 19, 2010

It sure seems like a lot of excuse making by Patriots fans.

A Patriots receiver drops a sure TD pass and this is a reason to believe that the Patriots truly are a better team than the Colts? That is truly twisted logic.

Hey, the teams have been very close for a number of games over the years which is why the games have been very close. Almost any of these games could have turned out with the opposite result, the NFL being what it is.

Sorry for being my typical balanced self in a thread which is anything but.

Joker · Nov 19, 2010

Faulk MADE the first down in Indy...

as usual, my usual unbiased self...

PatriotsReign · Nov 19, 2010

KontradictioN said:
I'm going to disagree there. This team was genuinely entering a rebuilding stage going into the 2009 season. We parted ways with our cornerstone ILB, the face of the dynasty besides Brady. We let go of our once dominant OLB in Vrabel. Traded our Pro Bowl DE. Lost Rodney Harrison to retirement, and had to re-tool the secondary as a whole. Furthermore, we had to rebuild the receiving corps on the offensive side of the ball. As of today, there is just one regular starter on this defense that was starting during the 16-0 2007 season, and that's Wilfork. This team was and clearly is in the final stages of a rebuilding process with a good blueprint on both sides of the ball right now and multiple draft picks stockpiled to finalize said rebuilding process. We didn't re-tool. Re-tooling would assume that we kept the majority of parts from past success. We didn't do that.

And no, I'm not counting out the Colts. When/if that team gets healthy, they will still be a force. Hell, I'm expecting a close game this weekend. But don't kid yourself into believing that a rebuilding stage isn't just around the corner for you guys either. It is. Freeney, Mathis, Brackett, your O-Line, Reggie Wayne, etc. They aren't getting any younger.

Or less expensive! No team has or will keep all their stars or even their best players. The cap prevents teams from maintaining dominant personnel. It's the reason the cap was implemented.

Palm Beach Pats Fan · Nov 19, 2010

I just flipped a coin 6 times and got 5 heads. Man, heads is just DOMINATING tails. Not even close. But one other thing to consider is that a guy in a striped shirt had me re-flip two "tails" until they came up heads, so that may have changed the analysis.

RhodyPatriot · Nov 19, 2010

....and in beating their arch enemy 5 out of the last 6 meetings the Colts have gone on to win how many Super Bowls???

L Bizzle · Nov 19, 2010

RhodyPatriot said:
....and in beating their arch enemy 5 out of the last 6 meetings the Colts have gone on to win how many Super Bowls???

Since that first victory against the Patriots in 05, they've won 1 and been to 2. So they've gone on to 1 more SB than the Pats and also won 1 more as well. Was that some type of trick question?

Fball · Nov 19, 2010

RhodyPatriot said:
....and in beating their arch enemy 5 out of the last 6 meetings the Colts have gone on to win how many Super Bowls???

One.

I'm old enough to have been friends with plenty of "if we only win 1 SB, I can die in peace" Pats fans. It's funny how 1 SB victory is more a target of ridicule now for "younger" fans....

RhodyPatriot · Nov 19, 2010

L Bizzle said:
Since that first victory against the Patriots in 05, they've won 1 and been to 2. So they've gone on to 1 more SB than the Pats and also won 1 more as well. Was that some type of trick question?

Not a trick question. Just a round 'bout way of pointing out the underachievement of the Indy Colts. The Patriots were the dominant team in the early 2000's and won 3 SB's. The Colts have been the more dominant team in recent years and have won one. The Colts had their window of opportunity (which is now closing) and did not capitalize.

L Bizzle · Nov 19, 2010

RhodyPatriot said:
Not a trick question. Just a round 'bout way of pointing out the underachievement of the Indy Colts. The Patriots were the dominant team in the early 2000's and won 3 SB's. The Colts have been the more dominant team in recent years and have won one. The Colts had their window of opportunity (which is now closing) and did not capitalize.

Yet they are still in 1st place in their division only a couple games out of first place in the AFC after one of the worst starts in recent years and after the worst injury epidemic in modern team history. The window sure is closing

As long as Peyton Manning is behind center the window shall remain wide open. Of all people I expect you Patriot fans to understand this..

RhodyPatriot · Nov 19, 2010

Fball said:
One.

I'm old enough to have been friends with plenty of "if we only win 1 SB, I can die in peace" Pats fans. It's funny how 1 SB victory is more a target of ridicule now for "younger" fans....

You're missing the larger discussion here. Colt fans/team/management constantly attempt to equate the Colts team/QB success to that of the Patriots. The Cowher/Tomlin Steelers are in the discussion......not the Colts.

On your larger point you are right, one SB championship is awesome and yes we will all die in peace.

And I"ll bet if you ask all Patriot fans 95% or more will tell you that Rams game will always be the most special and the most memorable.

jbb9s · Nov 19, 2010

tobias funke said:
Pats defense in 2008 held the Colts to 18 points, and we were a ******ed unnecessary roughness penalty away from tying the game with Matt Cassel at QB.

Yea, I know. And if Champ Bailey's fumble was ruled a toucback and Seymour being held was actually called in that other big game, Belichick would have won 5 of 7 SBs.

Oh wait, but if Oakland actually beat the Jets in Week 17 of 2001, The Pats would have traveled to Oakland where there are no snowstorms. But wait, if Polamalu didn't bite on Given's fake end around, Branch would have never been open for that bomb in Pitt Jan 2005.

No second guesses. The records are the records. No dissecting plays. Because the Pats are 6 points up in 16 quarters of SB. Not that big of a margin - a few plays and TB is Jim Kelly. It goes both ways.

stcjones · Nov 19, 2010

L Bizzle said:
Including the last 2 games in New England. Does any other team have that kind of recent success against the Patriots? Just a honest question.

Well I think that one of the major factors is home field advantage 4 out of the last 6 years...that is unreal to me and obviously favored the dolts....their crowd is always amped up for the pats, piped in crowd noise, hot air pumped into dome during game (after dolts practiced all week in those temps). One yr as most of you pats fans will recall...polian pumped in hot air/turned up heat and 1/2 pats players were dealing w/flu etc.......I like our chances at home....and hopefully next 3 out of 5 games should be in foxboro...unless polian really is that corrupt/influential..

stcjones · Nov 19, 2010

PatsSox363804 said:
I'll always be convinced that we traded David Thomas based on that one game.

Unfortunately we've beaten ourselves lately against the Colts. We should have won both of the last 2 games and there's no reason we should have lost the 06 AFC title game except for the refs and Eric Alexander.

Very important point on the topic....pats have BEATEN themselves more the past few years THAN the dolts beat them....gd point

brdmaverick · Nov 19, 2010

To answer the original poster's question, I actually think the Broncos have had success against us in recent history. I'm pretty sure Brady has a far losing record against them. I understand that we routed them in 2008 behind Matt Cassel.

stcjones · Nov 19, 2010

What it generally came down to is our kicking the dolts a##es for 1/2 to 3/4 of the game and then shooting ourselves in the foot or collapsing late to give them the win....now last year we jumped way out ahead....only to have the D get gassed and manning took it to them....take nothing away from manning....he prepares well and is second in nfl to Tom Brady...

TBradyOwnsYou said:
Um... math=facts.
Nov. 7, 2005 Foxborough Indianapolis Colts 40-21
Nov. 5, 2006 Foxborough Indianapolis Colts 27-20
Jan. 21, 2007 Indianapolis Indianapolis Colts 38-34
Nov. 4, 2007 Indianapolis New England Patriots 24-20
Nov. 2, 2008 Indianapolis Indianapolis Colts 18-15
Nov. 15, 2009 Indianapolis Indianapolis Colts 35-34

40+27+38+20+18+35= 178 = 29.7pts game
21+20+34+24+15+34= 148 = 24.7pts game
10pts? Looks like 5pts to me...
Let's take out 2005 for funsies.
27+38+20+18+35= 138 = 27.6pts game
20+34+24+15+34= 127 = 25.4pts game
Interesting, removing the most far distant game, gets it down to a 2.2pt per game difference...
Maybe try the next game?
38+20+18+35= 111 = 27.75pts game
34+24+15+34= 107 = 26.75pts game
Wow, down to a 1pt per game difference from the last 4 games?
I wonder what the point per game difference is for the last 3 games? (it's zero, but I'll show you the math)
20+18+35= 73 = 23.3pts game
24+15+34= 73 = 23.3pts game
OMG, 0pts game!

How come, if as you say Peyton Manning has our defense figured out, as we get closer and closer to the present, he seems to be, according to the logic provided by YOU, less and less "dominant"??

/lawyered

stcjones · Nov 19, 2010

Mack Herron said:
This thread will make the victory Sunday that much sweeter.

I will be back here either way....if the pats win or lose.....will u MAN up as well...L fo' schizzle??? No horsesh*t now....will you come back and eat your crow pie if you lose bizzle?....(it is just notorious for fans of other teams to come on here all beligerent,obnoxious, and arrogant....and insulting (case in point)....and then if they lose won't come back to face the music...spineless..

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