The Colts have beat the Patriots 5 out of the last 6 meetings

L Bizzle said:

Since 2003 (when this era of the rivalry began)

Patriots Dominance

Nov. 30, 2003 Indianapolis New England Patriots 38-34
Jan. 18, 2004 Foxborough New England Patriots 24-14
Sep. 9, 2004 Foxborough New England Patriots 27-24
Jan. 16, 2005 Foxborough New England Patriots 20-3

Colts PPG: 18.75 Win/loss 0-4

Colts Dominance


Nov. 7, 2005 Foxborough Indianapolis Colts 40-21
Nov. 5, 2006 Foxborough Indianapolis Colts 27-20
Jan. 21, 2007 Indianapolis Indianapolis Colts 38-34
Nov. 4, 2007 Indianapolis New England Patriots 24-20
Nov. 2, 2008 Indianapolis Indianapolis Colts 18-15
Nov. 15, 2009 Indianapolis Indianapolis Colts 35-34

29 Points Per game Win loss 5-1

Over 10 more points per game

5-1 Record


So for the LAST TIME. Yes. PEYTON MANNING HAS FIGURED OUT THE PATRIOTS DEFENSE IN RECENT YEARS, AND THE STATS PROVE IT.

Does anyone else want to continue this argument in the face of facts????

Click to expand...

You win, go away. Hope Sunday will be different. I'd wish you luck, but that'd be disingenuous.

Deus Irae said:

20 points
17 points


Pretty simple.

Click to expand...

Nice try, but not one of your finer moments. The Colts have owned us recently. 5 out of 6 is an owning. Manning is the Colts. Simple as that. We need to start to change that this Sunday.

Ron Sellers said:

Hmm. I thought from the thread title and accompanying initial comment it was simply an innocent question about what other NFL teams have had recent success against the Patriots.


Based on just about everything since then, I would have to agree that this conversation has nothing to do with the Colts ppg versus the Patriots ppg.

Looks to me as if the conversation is more likely an elaborate and well-thought out form of trolling. Ask an innocent question; receive an expected response; and fire away to debunk those anticipated answers with well-rehearsed rebuttals.

Bravo.

Yes, the Colts have won five of the last six meetings
Yes, the Colts have scored more/Pats given up more in those last six meetings than in comparison to the six previous meetings - which were all won by the Pats.

What is your point? When people answer your original question, unless I missed it I see no responses from you. Your only responses were when people came up with reasons/excuses for those losses. That makes me think you were never the least bit interested in an answer to your question, and the whole purpose of this thread was a ruse; I think your sole intention was to get under the skin of people here.


Congratulations.

Click to expand...

Actually...The first (and to this point only) person to answer the question in my original post, was PatsFanSince74 who didn't do it until page 6 post #56

My first reply to anyone was post 6 where I said that nothing was a given in Colts/Patriots, and I go into every game not doubting any possible outcomes, from blowouts to 1 point victories in the final seconds....

Then after a few replies that discredited the Colts wins based on a list of *excuses* I made it known that I felt these certain posters were not giving the proper credit to the team

The conversation has since changed to me saying Peyton was "figured out" the Patriots defense since the earlier years of this rivalry, and me posting statistics to backup my claims as posters here argued against them.

If thats trolling for you, then yes I should be banned.....

but again until this point the only person to answer my original question did so on Page 6

Spark Notes version of this thread so far

L Bizzle said:

Actually...The first (and to this point only) person to answer the question in my original post, was PatsFanSince74 who didn't do it until page 6 post #56

My first reply to anyone was post 6 where I said that nothing was a given in Colts/Patriots, and I go into every game not doubting any possible outcomes, from blowouts to 1 point victories in the final seconds....

Then after a few replies that discredited the Colts wins based on a list of *excuses* I made it known that I felt these certain posters were not giving the proper credit to the team

The conversation has since changed to me saying Peyton was "figured out" the Patriots defense since the earlier years of this rivalry, and me posting statistics to backup my claims as posters here argued against them.

If thats trolling for you, then yes I should be banned.....

but again until this point the only person to answer my original question did so on Page 6

Click to expand...

What you have done in this thread is not trolling, but it is infuriating....so many recent awful memories and until we string a couple together it just kind of comes up on you, wait, I gotta run

mb6592 said:

Nice try, but not one of your finer moments.

Click to expand...

It's pretty simple. If you're arguing that Manning has "figured out" the defense, you should be able to point to better than average scores in the most recent games. 17 points and 20 points are not scores that fit that bill.

2003: 34 and 14 scored for the Colts in wins by the Patriots. Getting 17 and 20 in 2007 and 2008 don't show that there was something figured out, especially since the Patriots defense has clearly been in decline in the past couple of seasons. It's not as if he's been dropping 40+ on the Patriots in all these recent games.

Throw out the stats! Remember last year in the fourth quarter when we had never lost a 4th quarter lead that big in under 9 minutes in...I don't even know how long. The stats were wrong so forget about any of them.

Any given Sunday. That should be the quote of the 2010 Patriots

This is a great thread...... This game represents an uneasiness in my tummy. I don't care how they stack up on paper or who is out. This one's bound to be memorable and a blood bath.
Pats trail early and fail to take the lead until late in the fourth. A 4 point lead, yet Manning gets the ball with plenty of time. After two first downs, Manning throws a deflection pick on a crossing route at our 38. Game over, nerve racking but over, bring on the Turkey.......

Injuries happen so it's part of the game but have we had a healthy secondary in 5 of the last 6? Now this year the tables are turned injury wise ... the law of averages I guess. But anything can and will happen so we'll see.

Really see no way the Colts can win this game. 0-Season on the road... can't run... disaster stopping the run away from The Luke.

Within 10 would be a reach but Peyton is good enough to keep it some what close.

L Bizzle said:

Actually...The first (and to this point only) person to answer the question in my original post, was PatsFanSince74 who didn't do it until page 6 post #56

Click to expand...

Apparently you missed the very first response to your question. I was going to respond to your original question but I didn't see the point because it would have just been redundant; my guess is that others felt the same way. Here it is again, just to refresh your memory:

KontradictioN said:

The Broncos could put up an argument. So could the Dolphins, who always seem to split with us. But neither has been as consistent in recent years as the Colts have been.

Click to expand...

L Bizzle said:

My first reply to anyone was post 6 where I said that nothing was a given in Colts/Patriots, and I go into every game not doubting any possible outcomes, from blowouts to 1 point victories in the final seconds....

Then after a few replies that discredited the Colts wins based on a list of *excuses* I made it known that I felt these certain posters were not giving the proper credit to the team

The conversation has since changed to me saying Peyton was "figured out" the Patriots defense since the earlier years of this rivalry, and me posting statistics to backup my claims as posters here argued against them.

If thats trolling for you, then yes I should be banned.....

but again until this point the only person to answer my original question did so on Page 6

Spark Notes version of this thread so far

Click to expand...

Basically you hijacked your own thread with this comment:

L Bizzle said:

According to 99% of this thread, the Colts never beat the patriots by being the better team. Apparently heat, crowd noise, referees, injuries, alignment of the stars, and the cointoss have been the deciding factors

How little credit you all give the Colts, who have been decimated with injuries several of the most recent years, just according to most of you the Colts have never been injury plagued so this season must be our year.

Click to expand...

If you were truly interested in what other teams have been relatively successful against the Patriots in recent years, then you could have steered the conversation back on topic - for example by asking the original question again. In addition you would have responded to comment #2; why is it that you did not? Instead you responded as you did above; what did you think the responses would be to that type of comment from an opposing fan on a team fan site/forum?


Didn't say you should be banned - it's not like you just flamed away. However, although it may have been more subtle due to the original comment, I still think you're trolling. Maybe I'm wrong, but I seriously doubt you were ever interested in that original question. You had a point you wanted to make, but you knew a Colt fan couldn't just go on a Pats fan site and start a thread "Colts are 5-1 in last six vs Pats" or "Manning has figured out the Pats" - so you did this instead.


Sorry, but I'm just not buying it.

L Bizzle has provided a lot of fuel to serve crow after this one should the Patriots take home the win. My guess is he won't be around if that happens, though.

The thought that "Manning has figured out the Pats" is simply invalid. He's a fantastic quarterback who was initially defeated soundly by a superb scheme stocked with the players capable of executing it. As those players aged or were injured the flexibility decreased. Newer, less skilled players were added in the more recent transition years. These factors, aided by rule changes and a general shift away from actual football in the way the game is officiated, enabled the Colts offense to experience greater success against Belichick defenses. Well, I hate to say it, but it looks like the rebuilding process is nearing the end just as the Colts are entering theirs.

Congradulations, Indy. You guys had a terrific championship run which resulted in a single Lombardi as the Patriots transitioned into their new roster. Enjoy watching Peyton peddle tampons in ads televised during the Superbowls Brady will be playing in.

Neither team rebuilds while Brady and Manning are on the roster. You re-load. I'll take the Doc Rivers 2009 approach and say screw the regular season and lets just get in and be healthy.

I wouldn't count out the Colts this season just like you'd be silly to count NE out of any season.

Tom Brady & Peyton Manning.

jays52 said:

The thought that "Manning has figured out the Pats" is simply invalid. He's a fantastic quarterback who was initially defeated soundly by a superb scheme stocked with the players capable of executing it. As those players aged or were injured the flexibility decreased. Newer, less skilled players were added in the more recent transition years. These factors, aided by rule changes and a general shift away from actual football in the way the game is officiated, enabled the Colts offense to experience greater success against Belichick defenses. Well, I hate to say it, but it looks like the rebuilding process is nearing the end just as the Colts are entering theirs.

Congradulations, Indy. You guys had a terrific championship run which resulted in a single Lombardi as the Patriots transitioned into their new roster. Enjoy watching Peyton peddle tampons in ads televised during the Superbowls Brady will be playing in.

Click to expand...

RyanTheColtsFan said:

Neither team rebuilds while Brady and Manning are on the roster. You re-load. I'll take the Doc Rivers 2009 approach and say screw the regular season and lets just get in and be healthy.

I wouldn't count out the Colts this season just like you'd be silly to count NE out of any season.

Tom Brady & Peyton Manning.

Click to expand...

I'm going to disagree there. This team was genuinely entering a rebuilding stage going into the 2009 season. We parted ways with our cornerstone ILB, the face of the dynasty besides Brady. We let go of our once dominant OLB in Vrabel. Traded our Pro Bowl DE. Lost Rodney Harrison to retirement, and had to re-tool the secondary as a whole. Furthermore, we had to rebuild the receiving corps on the offensive side of the ball. As of today, there is just one regular starter on this defense that was starting during the 16-0 2007 season, and that's Wilfork. This team was and clearly is in the final stages of a rebuilding process with a good blueprint on both sides of the ball right now and multiple draft picks stockpiled to finalize said rebuilding process. We didn't re-tool. Re-tooling would assume that we kept the majority of parts from past success. We didn't do that.

And no, I'm not counting out the Colts. When/if that team gets healthy, they will still be a force. Hell, I'm expecting a close game this weekend. But don't kid yourself into believing that a rebuilding stage isn't just around the corner for you guys either. It is. Freeney, Mathis, Brackett, your O-Line, Reggie Wayne, etc. They aren't getting any younger.

KontradictioN said:

I'm going to disagree there. This team was genuinely entering a rebuilding stage going into the 2009 season. We parted ways with our cornerstone ILB, the face of the dynasty besides Brady. We let go of our once dominant OLB in Vrabel. Traded our Pro Bowl DE. Lost Rodney Harrison to retirement, and had to re-tool the secondary as a whole. Furthermore, we had to rebuild the receiving corps on the offensive side of the ball. As of today, there is just one regular starter on this defense that was starting during the 16-0 2007 season, and that's Wilfork. This team was and clearly is in the final stages of a rebuilding process with a good blueprint on both sides of the ball right now and multiple draft picks stockpiled to finalize said rebuilding process. We didn't re-tool. Re-tooling would assume that we kept the majority of parts from past success. We didn't do that.

And no, I'm not counting out the Colts. When/if that team gets healthy, they will still be a force. Hell, I'm expecting a close game this weekend. But don't kid yourself into believing that a rebuilding stage isn't just around the corner for you guys either. It is. Freeney, Mathis, Brackett, your O-Line, Reggie Wayne, etc. They aren't getting any younger.

Click to expand...

I'll leave it to people who are smarter than me to determine whether it was re-building or re-tooling, though what I think the Poster meant was that if you're doing either around Brady and Manning, you're still in the hunt until the last dog dies every year.

But, I do agree that the Patriots have now re-whatevered and are ready to cause some serious trouble (as you say, they have a few Draft Picks to fill in some missing pieces). That Belichick did that while keeping the Pats highly competitive these last two seasons is amazing and validates the other poster's point about Brady. I think the Colts will have a rockier road to travel without a Coach like BB.

The last 4 meetings have been at Indy. It will be nice to have them back at home. Hopefully it is a better performance than in 05 and 06.

Fball said:

The Colts injury issues might turn out to be a bit overplayed. They definitely were issues over the past 2 weeks, but a lot of guys - including Collie & Addai - could be back this week.

I read that the only guy not on IR who might end up missing the game is Sanders...

Click to expand...

The Pats ability to overcome the losses to key players is one of this year's highlights. The press and fans give recent injuries more attention than the older ones, but it is a team's ability to deal with the loss of key players over an entire season that is most impressive.

L Bizzle said:

According to 99% of this thread, the Colts never beat the patriots by being the better team. Apparently heat, crowd noise, referees, injuries, alignment of the stars, and the cointoss have been the deciding factors

Click to expand...

That about sums up the reality of it Biz-al.

RyanTheColtsFan said:

Really see no way the Colts can win this game. 0-Season on the road... can't run... disaster stopping the run away from The Luke.

Within 10 would be a reach but Peyton is good enough to keep it some what close.

Click to expand...

LOL, the "Woe is me" campaign at its finest.

let's look at some of the possible outcomes and the spin you will put on it:

Patriots win a close one: "Wow, Peyton is a God, I can't believe how he single-handedly kept it close. Brady and the Patriots suck if they can't demolish this MASH unit on their home field"

Colts win a close one: "Wow, Peyton is a God, I can't believe how he single-handedly won this game with no help. It validates him as the best ever!"

Patriots win a blowout: "Wow, it's to bad we didn't see our real team out there. It's too bad that Peyton, a God and the best ever, had no help whatsoever and Brady's superior teammates carried him to a deceptively easy victory."