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Ok some of you are going to say this is an unfair comparison. But so what? Deion is basically coming into replace Randy. What can we expect? If we took the time machine back to see Deion's first 3 years, and keep in mind that he is still only 31 now and compare them to Moss' first three years for the Pats I think the comparison should prove interesting.

Branch first 3 years with Pats
Code:
2002 23 NWE wr 83 13 7 43 489 11.4 2 49 3.3 37.6 2 0 0 4 0.0 0.0 0.2 489 2 1 5 
2003 24 NWE WR 83 15 12 57 803 14.1 3 66 3.8 53.5 1 11 0 11 11.0 0.7 0.1 814 3 0 7 
2004 25 NWE WR 83 9 9 35 454 13.0 4 26 3.9 50.4        454 4 1 5

Moss first 3 years with Pats
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2007*+ 30 NWE WR 81 16 16 98 1493 15.2 23 65 6.1 93.3        1493 23 0 20 
2008 31 NWE WR 81 16 16 69 1008 14.6 11 76 4.3 63.0 2 0 0 2 0.0 0.0 0.1 1008 11 3 11 
2009* 32 NWE WR 81 16 16 83 1264 15.2 13 71 5.2 79.0        1264 13 2 13

One thing we will notice right away is the difference in durability between these two receivers. Moss didn't miss a single start with the Pats over that 3 year stretch. Branch only played in 37/48 contests. That's still a 77% start rate but not nearly the reliability of Moss.

Let's look at yards per catch over that time period then.
Branch 135 receptions 1746 yards = 12.9 ypc
Moss 250 receptions 3765 yards = 15.1 ypc

It's clear that Moss is more of a big play wide receiver than Branch, but considering that the difference between them is only 2 yards per catch, Branch seems to be a decent alternative source of production on a per catch basis.

What is more concerning is that Moss had nearly double the catches in that time span, suggesting that he was better able to get open for those catches. Some might suggest that a 'Brady bias' is inflating those catch numbers somewhat, but if the guy is netting you over 1,000 yards per season and double digit TDs, it is kind of understandable why Brady went to the well so often in Moss' case.

Speaking of touchdowns:
Branch 9 TDs over 3 years
Moss 47 TDs over 3 years

So as far as hitting paydirt and redzone production, Branch is a definite DOWNGRADE from Moss. The Pats will have to look to their TEs or some other receiver has to step up big time to replace the TD production that Moss offered because Branch isn't going to develop into a TD threat anytime soon when his career suggests otherwise - he's never had a season catching more than 5 TDs.

Where Branch might help out is that he seems more willing to run those short and intermediate routes. He won't stretch the defense but he could make some important catches that will move the chains for the Pats.
Considering all these factors, Branch is a definitive downgrade from Randy Moss in terms of overall explosiveness, catching balls, durability, and catching touchdowns in the RZ.
However perhaps a willing and rejuvenated Branch will better fit the Pats offense in 2010. He's better to have around than a sulking Moss, right?

Maybe, we shall see. Hopefully Brady can rekindle the connection that he used to have with Branch. but looking at the numbers, Branch was still a borderline #1 at best and more suited to a #2 role. Having Moss and Branch would have been even better but we live in an imperfect world. The question now is does BB start Tate or Branch in the #1 slot? Hopefully more of BB's intentions will be revealed in practice. By observing who takes the snaps at the #1 wideout slot we will soon know BB's designs on fitting Branch into the offense.

Stats culled from pro-football-reference:
Branch
Moss
 
I appreciate the thorough breakdown - but one aspect you have to consider is the proportion of the offense that said player accounted for. Until the passing rule changes, the Patriots were a much more balanced offense in a league which was not as pass-oriented as it has become. Manning was the only guy consistently putting up mind-boggling #s year in and year out, and at the end of each season, he'd get his comeuppance in the form of an embarrassing playoff exit.

Since the rule change, Belichick has relied on Brady a lot more, and so the passing #s have gone up dramatically.

I'm not expecting Branch to put up numbers that come close to Moss by any stretch. But I'd say expecting him to put up numbers which - prorated - rival those he did in his first stint here is not unreasonable in this current offense, even if he is featured less prominently. The production is going to be shared amongst Welker, Tate, Hernandez, Gronk, and Branch, but I can see Branch putting up #s which would equate to 800 yards, 57 catches over a 16 game season for instance.
 
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You missed one important stat.

Moss: In 2010 asked to be traded FROM the NEP.
Branch: In 2010 asked to be traded TO the NEP.
 
Not sure what you were trying to prove out. There is no question that statistically, Moss is better than Branch and stands to be in conversation amongst the GoAT.

I'm predicting that Branch will essentailly be Jabar Gaffney in this offense. He'll be used all over the field. He'll make some good catches. He'll move the chains. He'll run the routes and make the sight adjustments Brady expects out of his receivers.

I can't comment on if he has the same speed and agility that he one did while he was here, but I'm assuming with the various physcial issues that he has experienced, he's lost a little bit off his fastball.

I'm discarding some of what he did in SEA. Hasselback has been on he downswing for years and has been banged up. Wallace is brutal. There has also been a substantial talent drain ever since they went to the SB in 05. Branch is better than his numbers, but he is not a 80/1200/10 TD guy either- and he never was.

In terms of being the type of impact player Moss is- no way. Can he be effective in this offense and provide TB with another solid option to go to? He sure can.
 
I've always preferred the longer possessions and less passes downfield. That philosophy in theory sounds better suited for January football, especially with our defense in a rebuilding phase. Question for me is can Branch still get seperation and move the sticks enough.

He also had a knack for stepping up in the biggest games.
 
Why do people keep saying that Branch is being brought in to replace Moss? He's not. Tate is replacing Moss as the flanker. Branch is replacing Tate as the split-end.
 
I thought this might be a youtube video of a street fight.

In any event, I'm not looking for Branch to replace Moss. I'm not sure too many people who remember watching Branch (all those years ago :rolleyes:) were looking for that. He'll be yet another security blanket for Brady in the mold of Welker and Hernandez. A Welkandez, if you will.
 
Thank you, Kontradiction.
 
So, you think that Tate will be getting the reps that Moss has been getting, and Branch will be getting the reps that Tate was getting?

Why do people keep saying that Branch is being brought in to replace Moss? He's not. Tate is replacing Moss as the flanker. Branch is replacing Tate as the split-end.
 
Ok some of you are going to say this is an unfair comparison. But so what? Deion is basically coming into replace Randy. What can we expect? If we took the time machine back to see Deion's first 3 years, and keep in mind that he is still only 31 now and compare them to Moss' first three years for the Pats I think the comparison should prove interesting.

Branch first 3 years with Pats
Code:
2002 23 NWE wr 83 13 7 43 489 11.4 2 49 3.3 37.6 2 0 0 4 0.0 0.0 0.2 489 2 1 5 
2003 24 NWE WR 83 15 12 57 803 14.1 3 66 3.8 53.5 1 11 0 11 11.0 0.7 0.1 814 3 0 7 
2004 25 NWE WR 83 9 9 35 454 13.0 4 26 3.9 50.4        454 4 1 5

Moss first 3 years with Pats
Code:
2007*+ 30 NWE WR 81 16 16 98 1493 15.2 23 65 6.1 93.3        1493 23 0 20 
2008 31 NWE WR 81 16 16 69 1008 14.6 11 76 4.3 63.0 2 0 0 2 0.0 0.0 0.1 1008 11 3 11 
2009* 32 NWE WR 81 16 16 83 1264 15.2 13 71 5.2 79.0        1264 13 2 13

One thing we will notice right away is the difference in durability between these two receivers. Moss didn't miss a single start with the Pats over that 3 year stretch. Branch only played in 37/48 contests. That's still a 77% start rate but not nearly the reliability of Moss.

Let's look at yards per catch over that time period then.
Branch 135 receptions 1746 yards = 12.9 ypc
Moss 250 receptions 3765 yards = 15.1 ypc

It's clear that Moss is more of a big play wide receiver than Branch, but considering that the difference between them is only 2 yards per catch, Branch seems to be a decent alternative source of production on a per catch basis.

What is more concerning is that Moss had nearly double the catches in that time span, suggesting that he was better able to get open for those catches. Some might suggest that a 'Brady bias' is inflating those catch numbers somewhat, but if the guy is netting you over 1,000 yards per season and double digit TDs, it is kind of understandable why Brady went to the well so often in Moss' case.

Speaking of touchdowns:
Branch 9 TDs over 3 years
Moss 47 TDs over 3 years

So as far as hitting paydirt and redzone production, Branch is a definite DOWNGRADE from Moss. The Pats will have to look to their TEs or some other receiver has to step up big time to replace the TD production that Moss offered because Branch isn't going to develop into a TD threat anytime soon when his career suggests otherwise - he's never had a season catching more than 5 TDs.

Where Branch might help out is that he seems more willing to run those short and intermediate routes. He won't stretch the defense but he could make some important catches that will move the chains for the Pats.
Considering all these factors, Branch is a definitive downgrade from Randy Moss in terms of overall explosiveness, catching balls, durability, and catching touchdowns in the RZ.
However perhaps a willing and rejuvenated Branch will better fit the Pats offense in 2010. He's better to have around than a sulking Moss, right?

Maybe, we shall see. Hopefully Brady can rekindle the connection that he used to have with Branch. but looking at the numbers, Branch was still a borderline #1 at best and more suited to a #2 role. Having Moss and Branch would have been even better but we live in an imperfect world. The question now is does BB start Tate or Branch in the #1 slot? Hopefully more of BB's intentions will be revealed in practice. By observing who takes the snaps at the #1 wideout slot we will soon know BB's designs on fitting Branch into the offense.

Stats culled from pro-football-reference:
Branch
Moss

THIS WHOLE COMMENT IS INVALID BECAUSE OF THE Offensive COORDINATORS!!.

Charlie weiss had a more conservative offense for brady and was a genius at running the ball
While josh mcdaniels unleashed brady because he is a horrible running back game planer, which is being exposed now in denver.
 
comparing Randy Moss, to Deion Branch, is like comparing Jerry rice, to Shawn Jefferson,


one is a nice player who can make some plays to help you win a game and the other is a HOF player who can take over and win a game... no one is going to replace Moss, and the pats are not trying to they are going back to the short passing game and running the football
 
So, you think that Tate will be getting the reps that Moss has been getting, and Branch will be getting the reps that Tate was getting?

I'm guessing Tom will reduce his number of bombs to one or two per game. Tate just doesn't have the ability to do what Moss did. But hopefully he won't have to if everything works as expected with Branch and our new offense. Time will tell.
 
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