Belichick: 'Outburst' and plane incidents complete fabrications

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Idiot! Those were the bad ones!

ALP said:

I can just as easily believe the plane story just as much as what bb is saying right now

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I can't.

If something had happened on the plane, BB wouldn't have said "That story is a complete fabrication. I never spoke to Randy on the plane."

He would have said the story wasn't accurate, but not that it was a complete fabrication.

Bella*chick said:

Not necessarily, but given the press conference we ALL saw and the way he was acting in plain view on Monday Night Football I think the truth is probably somewhere in the middle, as it usually is.

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I watched him high five Welker in the fourth quarter and read the report from rap sheet that he was upbeat after the Patriots win.

Kinda wondered why all of a sudden reports were coming out from when there was no media available. "A source familiar with the situation". Also makes you wonder why these reports only came out after the Moss trade was announced.

bradydaman29 said:

We will get the real story (according to Randy) when Randy gives his presser in Minn today.

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Emphasis on "according to Randy".

While I am absolutely grateful for what Moss did for the Pats for the past three years, I'm not sure that I am ready to accept that whatever he says today will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

There's no upside for Belichick in throwing Moss under the bus, so he took the high road and deflected the questions with generic answers. Hopefully Moss will do the same.

Patsrock said:

To me I heard something else and here is BB quote on confrontations with Randy.

"There never has been one with me in four years"

See I read that there was confrontations just none with BB.

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You're right, he did say this... However, when asked specifically about the reports he straight up called them fabricated.

Ron Sellers said:

Emphasis on "according to Randy".

While I am absolutely grateful for what Moss did for the Pats for the past three years, I'm not sure that I am ready to accept that whatever he says today will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

There's no upside for Belichick in throwing Moss under the bus, so he took the high road and deflected the questions with generic answers. Hopefully Moss will do the same.

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It seems to me the conference was called because Belichick wanted to defend Moss...

I have never and will never really believe what Belichick says in a press conference. Won't start now. Admitting to these incidents being true does nothing for him. He may be telling the truth now, but Belichick didn't trade Moss because he felt he owed Moss the opportunity to go to a place where he might get a long term deal. Something happened behind the scenes.

I think the most telling thing about this presser is that BB said "We've won the most games in the last decade."

Which I think is a hint that he has confidence in what he is doing and with the team he has on hand.

I would have asked; are the Patriots giving up on this season?

Yfz01 said:

It seems to me the conference was called because Belichick wanted to defend Moss...

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More likely he wants to get the first word in before Moss has his press conference this afternoon. A little spin control.

That way, if Moss comes out and slams BB or the Patriots, he will just look bad.

Yfz01 said:

It seems to me the conference was called because Belichick wanted to defend Moss...

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Exactly. That he called an unscheduled press conference just to defend Moss speaks volumes.

No way in hell is the plane story true.

Patspsycho said:

I think the most telling thing about this presser is that BB said "We've won the most games in the last decade."

Which I think is a hint that he has confidence in what he is doing and with the team he has on hand.

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I felt like that was one of the more poignant comments Bill made. He knows what he's doing.

Patspsycho said:

More likely he wants to get the first word in before Moss has his press conference this afternoon. A little spin control.

That way, if Moss comes out and slams BB or the Patriots, he will just look bad.

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I don't think so. Why is everyone so negative over here? He spoke with Moss earlier and they have mutual respect for each other. I'll eat my shorts if Moss comes out and disses Belichick or even New England. It was reported earlier this week that Moss is extremely grateful for the opportunity New England has given him to get his career back on track.

Yfz01 said:

It seems to me the conference was called because Belichick wanted to defend Moss...

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More likely just to get it over with as soon as possible, so it isnt a distraction in the coming days when the team needs to be focusing on Baltimore.

swheeler23 said:

I would have asked; are the Patriots giving up on this season?

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Why? What would be the purpose of that - other than Belichick ignoring you and your questions from that day forward? Just to play devil's advocate, even if that was exactly what the Patriots were doing, how would you expect him (or any other NFL coach) to answer that question?

Yfz01 said:

I watched him high five Welker in the fourth quarter and read the report from rap sheet that he was upbeat after the Patriots win.

Kinda wondered why all of a sudden reports were coming out from when there was no media available. "A source familiar with the situation". Also makes you wonder why these reports only came out after the Moss trade was announced.

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What I believe is that the simplest explanation tends to be the correct one. And having BB just up and decide to trade a cheerful, happy and productive Moss mid-season for a third rounder for absolutely no reason other than charity towards Moss's desire to have a long-term contract somewhere is absolutely asinine.

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I don't think so. Why is everyone so negative over here? He spoke with Moss earlier and they have mutual respect for each other. I'll eat my shorts if Moss comes out and disses Belichick or even New England. It was reported earlier this week that Moss is extremely grateful for the opportunity New England has given him to get his career back on track.

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I agree, Moss comes out and praises his time in NE, thanks BB and co. and closes by saying he's happy to be back in Minny and playing with Lord Farveaqu

After all, he got what he wanted....... out.......

It depends on the meaning of the word outburst.

Maybe they should have asked Belichick if Moss and another Patriot spoke to one another in heightened voices.

Here's the answer: "Oh, yeah, heightened voices happens a lot. It happens in every game, coaches and players have disagreements."

Bella*chick said:

What I believe is that the simplest explanation tends to be the correct one. And having BB just up and decide to trade a cheerful, happy and productive Moss mid-season for a third rounder for absolutely no reason other than charity towards Moss's desire to have a long-term contract somewhere is absolutely asinine.

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The simplest answer to that isn't "Bill Bellichick is conspiring to hide that Randy Moss blew up on a plane".

The simplest answer is that Randy wasn't getting a long term deal, and they wanted to get something for him while they still could.

Rob0729 said:

I have never and will never really believe what Belichick says in a press conference. Won't start now. Admitting to these incidents being true does nothing for him. He may be telling the truth now, but Belichick didn't trade Moss because he felt he owed Moss the opportunity to go to a place where he might get a long term deal. Something happened behind the scenes.

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Umm why not? Why on earth is that so out of the realm of possibility that it was part of the COMBINATION of reasons? Including Moss' impact this season being decreased due to a shift in strategy, his strong passion for his ideas which may conflict in some ways to O'Brien's, his not being part of future plans, the 3rd round pick which isn't as worthless as we believe and after re-thinking is more along the lines of expected value for a receiver for 12 games.

I also find it hilarious that some people are trying to accuse BB of lying just so they can stick with their pre-determined conclusion. Yep BB is just flat out lying that he never spoke to Moss on the plane, I mean he's known for direct lies like that.

If there's one thing I'm 99% confident in, is that there was no psychotic outburst that caused BB to grab the phone and rush him out.