Merged again and again: I do/don't like the Moss trade because...

Speedy Welker; said:

I think so too, because Brady often emphasizes that he excited about the team this year to see what we can do. He said that since training camp and after the Monday night game, and Moss got zero catches. Brady was pumped and seem really happy about it too.

Like in the Jets game, Brady seem to forced the ball to Moss a lot while other guys are wide open. Deep down I think Brady want this to happen too so he can throw to whoever is open.

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A good way to gauge a trade is how your opponents react to it. I guarantee you every coach left on the Pats schedule are high fiving and the ones playing the Vikings are thinking "****".

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StnfrdPatsFan said:

The very fact that you say Who knows, tells you we don't. I know what my eyes tell me -- Moss is an elite receiver. Trading him for a mere trade rounder 3rd rounder is mystifying.Why jeopardize this year?

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Based on this year is Moss an elite WR? My eyes tell me no. Players hit the age wall in their mid-30s and potentially Moss has hit it. Moss before the midway point of last year was an elite WR, but he hasn't played like an elite WR since November of last year (November 17 was the last time he had over 75 yards in a game). Moss WAS an elite WR, but he may not be anymore.

As for Moss behind the scenes, we are talking the Patriots and we will never know. So Moss could have turned into a lockerroom cancer who is no longer an elite WR for all we know.

BB the GM can't hold a candle to BB the coach. Yes, he hit on Moss and Welker, but most of the other trades, he gets taken on.

By all accounts, and BB repeatedly has said this himself, Moss is really well liked by his teammates. Brady and he are tight. We see the videos of Moss pumping up his teammates.

Let's say Moss was a cancer, which I do NOT buy. You don't think they could have set up a bidding war for Moss' services?

I'm not so worried about the fact that Moss is gone. I'm irked again, that the Vikings who are in DESPERATE need of a WR, reportedly started off asking to give up a 3rd, and BB said golly gee, O.K.

A 3rd round pick? THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE COMPENSATION IF WE LET HIM WALK AT THE END OF THE YEAR, BUT WE WOULD HAVE HAD HIS SERVICES ALL YEAR!!!!!!!!

Any other GM in the league could have gotten more than a 3rd for Moss. Oh, and besides, when has BB ever hit the jackpot with a 3rd round pick?

Bostonian1962 said:

A 3rd round pick? THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE COMPENSATION IF WE LET HIM WALK AT THE END OF THE YEAR, BUT WE WOULD HAVE HAD HIS SERVICES ALL YEAR!!!!!!!!

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NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO.


A 10 year vet can bring back no higher than a 5th in comp picks.

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StnfrdPatsFan said:

The very fact that you say Who knows, tells you we don't. I know what my eyes tell me -- Moss is an elite receiver. Trading him for a mere trade rounder 3rd rounder is mystifying.Why jeopardize this year?

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Puh-leeze. YOU don't know anything either. No one knows the behind-the-scenes here and if you can't see that the first game presser meltdown was a very bad sign that "bad Randy" might be back then I don't know what to tell you.

As it is, we have threads on Moss's "emotions" here. And after every game there is the nervous "Is Randy happy?" discussion here that was getting old.

He can be as elite as the day is long but if he doesn't want to be here, then he DOESN'T WANT TO BE HERE.

In 2007, every other play was a big play. Now, you get a big play once in a while, but nowhere near consistently. And after the Jets debacle, everyone was whining about how Brady locked in on Moss. And for what? An embarrassing and thorough loss.

My general rule regarding trades is to wait and see if there is another shoe to fall. Maybe there's something in the pipeline. But for now, I don't like the trade. We gave away a future HOFer for a 3rd pick.

If Randy Moss is so great why is he 4th on the team in receptions? And save the double coverage decoy line, plenty of other superstar receivers get the same treatment but they still produce.

Do I LIKE it? Not really, of course not. On paper, no way. But do I GET it? Yeah, I do.

What I would LIKE is for Randy to play like he is capable of playing on every down. To say he wants to be here and mean it (which he clearly did not in his presser ramble from week 1). But that's not what I was seeing this year. We shouldn't need to be posting "proof" every week that Moss is happy here and not dogging it or whatever yet after every damn game that is what you would see. Now we even have a Randy Emotion thread which can thankfully be closed.

I think the team is doing what they have to do to get some value for him now as opposed to later. As for having him for the rest of the season, well, if the Jets game is any indication of what that would be like, I'll pass.

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Bella*chick said:

Puh-leeze. YOU don't know anything either. No one knows the behind-the-scenes here and if you can't see that the first game presser meltdown was a very bad sign that "bad Randy" might be back then I don't know what to tell you.

As it is, we have threads on Moss's "emotions" here. And after every game there is the nervous "Is Randy happy?" discussion here that was getting old.

He can be as elite as the day is long but if he doesn't want to be here, then he DOESN'T WANT TO BE HERE.

In 2007, every other play was a big play. Now, you get a big play once in a while, but nowhere near consistently. And after the Jets debacle, everyone was whining about how Brady locked in on Moss. And for what? An embarrassing and thorough loss.

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None of this locker room cancer needs to be true for Belichick to come to the same conclusion he did last year when he traded Seymour: this isn't our year. Let's load up for the future, and in the meantime get Tate and Price some playing time.

It's not beyond Belichick to make such calculations. And those calculations aren't necessarily wrong or right either. The Seymour trade is going to make us happy next year, I predict.

But it is disheartening for fans to see a key player leave the tea in the middle of the season.

Can't you acknowledge that this is what may be happening here?

I think as far as having to now change the offense with Moss being gone is not correct, it looks like the offense has already been changed this year with the emphasis on spreading the ball around, getting the TE's involved, short passes, and god forbid a running game that can eat up some clock, with moss in a contract year and looking for a big payout at the end this was not going to work for him to get the pay day he wanted either from the Pats or another team.
I did not have a huge issue with what he said after the cincy win, but if you look at in context of what has happened since then there is no way Randy was going to be happy with a couple of catches a game and a team win, I loved the guy for what he did while he was here but 2007 is not coming through that door anytime soon......

it's a stupid, stupid trade. makes the chances of winning the superbowl go from slim (which it was with moss), to none (without Moss).

oh well, let's look forward to 2014, when these young players and draft picks finally start to develop. we'll just find another tom brady!

Wolfpack said:

My general rule regarding trades is to wait and see if there is another shoe to fall. Maybe there's something in the pipeline. But for now, I don't like the trade. We gave away a future HOFer for a 3rd pick.

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3 years earlier the Raiders gave away a future HOFer for a 4th round pick

Just like the '10 Sox, the Pats have taken a bye year.... no chance this year. Especially after Welker gets broken in half (now that he can be triple teamed). Who do the Pats have that is a #1 receiver? No-one.

Concerns for next year too - Welker is going to be battered if not broken. Sure the pats have picks, but the kids won't be worth a darn for some time, and second Belli will play chess master with them (between Belli and Theo the Zen-Master thing is getting a little old...)

Moss was going to be traded, that was for sure. I'm suprised they did it so early though - was this a trade deadline?

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upstater1 said:

None of this locker room cancer needs to be true for Belichick to come to the same conclusion he did last year when he traded Seymour: this isn't our year. Let's load up for the future, and in the meantime get Tate and Price some playing time.

It's not beyond Belichick to make such calculations. And those calculations aren't necessarily wrong or right either. The Seymour trade is going to make us happy next year, I predict.

But it is disheartening for fans to see a key player leave the tea in the middle of the season.

Can't you acknowledge that this is what may be happening here?

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I didn't say Randy was a cancer. Just that he didn't want to be here and could potentially be a huge distraction down the road. An inconsistent distraction. Who wasn't going to be here next year to be the world's highest paid "decoy."

Get something for him now. This makes sense to me. What's comical is the many posters crawling out of the woodwork who believe we were a. going to win the SB because Randy was here and now he's not and b. BB is giving up on players and fans because he traded our one man SB machine. This, after watching the defense's "growing pains". People here react so emotionally, it's both hilarious and ridiculous.

tombonneau said:

A good way to gauge a trade is how your opponents react to it. I guarantee you every coach left on the Pats schedule are high fiving and the ones playing the Vikings are thinking "****".

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That is not a good way to gauge a trade. Sorry.

RichSeymour said:

really? you know nothing about football.

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I know a receiver past his prime when I see it. He has done nothing this year.

upstater1 said:

Brady ONLY had less in 2006.

Yes, that's true.

Our offense in 2006 sucked, and Brady was beyond frustrated.

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Yes, and his pouty demeanor left no doubt. Hopefully, he'll take a greater leadership role.

In Bill I trust - so if he felt we were better off trading him...I have no reason to doubt (for now).

I can't wait to watch all the additional picks that Favre throws forcing the ball into Moss.

Bella*chick said:

That is not a good way to gauge a trade. Sorry.

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Really? I think it's a highly accurate way to gauge the immediate impact.

Poll every coach in the AFC and they are happy.

Poll every coach in the NFC and they are unhappy.

What team got the better deal?

tombonneau said:

Really? I think it's a highly accurate way to gauge the immediate impact.

Poll every coach in the AFC and they are happy.

Poll every coach in the NFC and they are unhappy.

What team got the better deal?

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I think you need to wait and see how it plays out.

I had no idea it was trade protocol to poll other coaches and see if they are doing a happy dance. Because if they lose to us anyway, I think it was a good move, don't you? I mean, happy dance notwithstanding.