Rumor: Moss to Vikings?

Off The Grid -you can either continue spouting mainstream media cliches about how ball control wins, or you can educate yourself in the article I linked above. one way makes you an idiot, the other improves your understanding of football. your choice.

here it is again

I get up this morning and get to work and this is the first thing I see on my sports pop up! What the heck!

Just speechless!

PatsFanSince74 said:

OK. I'll bite. Our D has been called a lot of things this year, but "tenacious" is not one of them, unless its when they're trying to hold onto receivers who just picked their pockets downfield. And, whatever they're success in one game, the law firm and Woody don't (yet at least) give us ball control. So...

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WOW.

How many times do I have to say that we're in the process of rebuilding a tenacious D...before it sinks in?

AGAIN: Ball Control + Tenacious D win Championships.

Fantasy FootBall teams ~ with exactly 3 exceptions in the last 15 years ~ do NOT.

WERE you asleep for all of 2007??

NO?

Then perhaps you should step back and let Coach Bill finish the process that is almost completed.

makewayhomer said:

Off The Grid -you can either continue spouting mainstream media cliches about how ball control wins, or you can educate yourself in the article I linked above. one way makes you an idiot, the other improves your understanding of football. your choice.

here it is again

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If I ever lower myself to the level where I give a rat's @$$ what a spectacularly stupid moron such as yourself has to say...I'll let you know.

Off The Grid said:

Then perhaps you should step back and let Coach Bill finish the process that is almost completed.

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Glad I am not the only one thinking the world is over then

Off The Grid said:

If I ever lower myself to the level where I give a rat's @$$ what a spectacularly stupid moron such as yourself has to say...I'll let you know.

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ignorance is indeed bliss.

jsull87 said:

Your incapacity to formulate an argument or have a conversation without reverting to sayings you have repeated 100 times amuses me.

You preach ball control but when someone pulls up a stat showing you we did control the ball all last year with moss you disregard it and say we haven't for 4 games this year.

It's fine it just lets me know who to take seriously on this board and who not to.

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I've formulated several arguments ~ though it's all quite simple ~ and your persistent incapacity to digest reality continues to amuse me.

Go ahead and sulk. Do you honestly conceive that I give a rat's @$$??

Once, again:

makewayhomer said:

ignorance is indeed bliss.

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Actually, you seem quite bitter.

This stinks and it sucks and it stinks.

Nice!!

Gotta roll: I'm glad my home address isn't posted, on mornings like this!!

Oswlek said:

Sorry, I got a bit defensive at the "those who are talking about the 2003 Pats STOP" comment.

I would contest the thought that the 2003 coaches were so confident. They had just traded a 4th for Ted Washington two week prior to releasing Milloy and didn't have have his replacement figured out yet. They went into the first game with Antwaan Harrs is the starter and had to make a major disaster move of sliding their promising rookie corner over to safety.

Another team I would point at is the 2009 Colts. They had a terrible running game, decent but unspectacular defense, terrible special teams and no genuine deep threat at WR.

NE's defense has a long way to go before anyone would call them "decent", but they aren't dead in the water without Moss. Ultimately, the fate of this team's playoff hopes rests on the guys on the opposite side of the field as Randy.

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1. They needed to get Ted Washington. He was a NT and we were in sore need of one.

2. Once again, they weren't going to rely on Milloy at any point in that season. They had already secured Harrison, had Law, and had the best front seven in the NFL. They knew it at the time and the move for Washington only solidified that (side bar - God do I miss what Washington brought to the table. What a mean, nasty NT he was).

3. This defense has holes and question marks in the front seven as well as inexperience there and throughout the secondary. There are going to be some serious growing pains this season. There have already been growing pains this season. We needed the best offense we could get. Losing Randy Moss isn't addition by subtraction. It's never addition by subtraction when you lost the second best player on your offense.

Off The Grid said:

WOW.

How many times do I have to say that we're in the process of rebuilding a tenacious D...before it sinks in?

AGAIN: Ball Control + Tenacious D win Championships.

Fantasy FootBall teams ~ with exactly 3 exceptions in the last 15 years ~ do NOT.

WERE you asleep for all of 2007??

NO?

Then perhaps you should step back and let Coach Bill finish the process that is almost completed.

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You still have yet to explain how trading Randy Moss helps a work in progress (aka makes the team better). But it's okay. I'll let you off the hook as I realize that you really don't have a clue.

I guess I saw Randy leaving at the end of this year, so I'm not overly shocked. Get some value when we can.

But WHY, on Earth, send him to a playoff caliber team that we are going to be playing against in a few weeks? We all know how deadly a focused, motivated, hyped up Randy Moss can play. I can only imagine his mind set for the Pats game.

After that game, I could care less. We got a big ol' hole for a nice FA wideout if needed. Maybe we'll get someone with fresher legs and a more focused head than Randy.

Peace bro' thanks for the good memories! Hope you suck on Halloween!

Holy Diver said:

hahahahhahah!

if they gave us a 1st rounder and adrian peterson.

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1st pages are awesome

Anyone else feel a bit sorry for Moss because he has to go through the Favre drama first hand?

Unless this is a prelude to another trade (Vincent Jackson perhaps?) that nets the Pats a big-time WR, I don't see any way this can be spun as a deal that helps the team in 2010. This team is *not* better off without Moss.

Now, if they trade Mankins and a 2nd round pick to San Diego for VJax and, say, a 3rd round pick, then I'm ok with it. Mankins looks like he's not going to be much (any?) help this year, at least to the Pats, and adding VJax would give the Pats the WR help they just gave away, and for a longer period of time since he's many years younger than Moss.

But as of right now the WR corps is: Welker, Tate, Edelman, Slater, Price. Tate is ok, Edelman (if healthy) is pretty good, Slater is meh, Price...who knows? Only Welker is reliable out of that group. Losing Moss is a HUGE loss in terms of talent and depth. I'll be happy with this trade only if they turn around and make a deal for a different top-shelf WR.

KontradictioN said:

1. They needed to get Ted Washington. He was a NT and we were in sore need of one.

2. Once again, they weren't going to rely on Milloy at any point in that season. They had already secured Harrison, had Law, and had the best front seven in the NFL. They knew it at the time and the move for Washington only solidified that (side bar - God do I miss what Washington brought to the table. What a mean, nasty NT he was).

3. This defense has holes and question marks in the front seven as well as inexperience there and throughout the secondary. There are going to be some serious growing pains this season. There have already been growing pains this season. We needed the best offense we could get. Losing Randy Moss isn't addition by subtraction. It's never addition by subtraction when you lost the second best player on your offense.

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Of course they did, and that illustrates just how little confidence they had in the DL, and therefor the front 7.

I'm not disputing how good the defense was or how bad this defense looks. I'm just saying that no one, not even the coaches, expected them to be the best defense in the league. The view that Milloy was let go because the team didn't need him is pure revisionist history. They wanted him bad enough to pay him $3mm that year in a much lower cap environment. He just had feelers out in the league and realized a lot more money could be had elsewhere. BB was despondant they day they let him go.

a 3rd round pick??? really???

i could live with a 2nd, and wouldnt expect a 1st....

but a 3rd? really? who is our last impact player that we got in the THIRD ROUND???

i am really dissapointed in BB here, unless its true that moss really did ask for this trade, at which point its better to get rid of him

but a 3rd round pick?

Calciumee said:

Anyone else feel a bit sorry for Moss because he has to go through the Favre drama first hand?

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not at all




glad we moved him.

Just to give some perspective on 3rds, it looks ugly if you look at only players selected (Kaczur, Crable, McKenzie, Tate and Price are the guys around in some form) but NE has also used traded 3rds (that became 2nd rounders) to nab Dillon, Gronk and Cunningham.