Jim Caldwell = Terrible Coach

ausbacker said:

What I've seen of Clausen he looks completely out of his depth at the moment. I'm sure his development will come but he's simply not ready.

As for Manning. We all celebrate his regular season greatness, but really who cares? Regular season isn't when championships are won.

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But Manning was in post season form. Didn't he throw a pass into the hands of the Jagwads in that final drive that was droped?

jbb9s said:

what about donovan mcnabb's decision to run out of bounds as he gained 1st down yardage and signaled "#1" to the crowd. I mean, the ballwashers on ESPN are talking about how great it must of felt for him to scramble for the important first down, except he ran out of bounds, killed the clock, and gave the Eagles one last shot....

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I didn't think it was so bad what McNabb did. In fact, the announcers were critical of him for doing it, but he had very little space right there for a slide, if he went down he was going to get hit. IMO, I'd rather my QB go out of bounds then risk him getting injured especially after a crucial first down.

PatsWickedPissah said:

But Manning was in post season form. Didn't he throw a pass into the hands of the Jagwads in that final drive that was droped?

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Manning should of thrown a game ending pick before the bone headed decision. You're right!

spacecrime said:

How did JohnFox make a bad call? You are in marginal field goal range, you run the ball to the side you want to kick from. It's the only call that makes sense. Passing the ball is the bad call. If you are already in solid FG range, take a shot to the end zone. Otherwise, run the ball and kick the FG.

Just because a play did not work out does not mean it wasn't the right play.

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yes..one runs the ball to the side to get into field position..but that is done with inside runs forward NOT outside sweeps where yardage can be lost and thus OUT of FG range. They could have made short passes inside..SAFE short passes..THAT would have been a LOT better than the play they ran. They had a shot at it...and because of it..had NO CHANCE at a FG to win the game.

scout said:

I don't think that was the case. Jag's had just run the ball for a short gain. What confusion?

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There might have or not have been any confusion. I didn't watch the game. My point is that if guys are confused or personnel mixed up; it's better to take the timeout and sort it out vs giving up a 25-30 yard play.

If his defense packages were mixed, that's a problem with practicing situational football. That's a problem with preparation vs game/clock management.

If he called timeout to preserve the clock, that's rather dumb.

Is there anything from the press conferences to explain?

Caldwell stopped the clock, but the officials and the booth review rule stopped the clock for both teams giving them time to set up next plays and preserve time outs. Addai's run, he was clearly down at the 1 and they still had to review. The Jag receivers catch was clearly in bounds and they had to review. Jeesh......

I think I have come around to saying that Manning is better than Brady and possibly the best QB ever. The guy has almost nothing to work with on either side of the ball and basically wins games on his own. Without Manning right now, the Colts would be 0-4. Caldwell is a big reason why Manning has to carry the team.

Rob0729 said:

I think I have come around to saying that Manning is better than Brady and possibly the best QB ever. The guy has almost nothing to work with on either side of the ball and basically wins games on his own. Without Manning right now, the Colts would be 0-4. Caldwell is a big reason why Manning has to carry the team.

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How are Wayne and Clark nothing?

It's just a totally different philosophy. The strategy behind the Colts is everything revolves around making Manning great. That's why the Colts will never be a great run team or have a great defense.

The Colts actually provide a great example of differing team building philosophies.

patsfaninpittsburgh said:

How are Wayne and Clark nothing?

It's just a totally different philosophy. The strategy behind the Colts is everything revolves around making Manning great. That's why the Colts will never be a great run team or have a great defense.

The Colts actually provide a great example of differing team building philosophies.

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That is two players out of 10 other players on the field with Manning. Their o-line and RBs are mediocre. Eventhough Austin Collie is having a great year, I think he would be average with another team that doesn't have Manning, Brady, or Brees (or maybe one or two other QBs).

I would rather have Brady than Manning, but I think Manning is the better QB. I know that sounds contradictory. The Colts would be 0-4 right now without Manning and probably would have been 5-11 last year.

As for philosophies, I disagree. The Colts spent two first round picks in recent years on RBs, but neither one is all that good. Even with two high paid DEs, the Colts spent a first round pick on another one (who is shaping up to be a disapointment so far although it is early). They paid Freeney, Sanders, and Mathis top dollar. I think the Colts have spent a lot to bolster their running game and defense, but they have failed many times. I think the Colts' drafting is way overrated because they have missed a lot with first and second rounders in recent years (Addai, Brown, Ugoh, Fili Moala, Anthony Gonzalez who started out strong and faded like Addai did, and Tim Jennings), but because Manning has carried the team they haven't gotten slammed like the Pats.

FSUPatsFan said:

Why isn't Jim Caldwell's decision to call timeout with 40 seconds left while the Jaguars had a 2nd and 2 in their own territory getting more attention? IMO, this is clearly worse than the 4th and 2 call that we heard about in the media for two months last year. The Jaguars were playing for OT. After the timeout, the colts had to defend against the big play, so the Jags were still able to work the middle of the field with a timeout in their pocket. This caused them to have a couple of big gains setting up a chance for a long fg.

Maybe not thread worthy, but I can't believe that no one (both in this forum and in the media) is talking about what a truly terrible decision it was.

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to be honest, the jags made a non aggressive play with a draw call,playing for overtime with almost a min to play. he figured he could stop them on 3 and out and get the ball back with 20 odd secs and win the game. cant blame him because usually the jags oblige with there stupid plays but it didnt work out yesterday in the end. inspite of all that gerrard handed them the game on the 2nd down pass and their D didnt make a play.

jbb9s said:

what about donovan mcnabb's decision to run out of bounds as he gained 1st down yardage and signaled "#1" to the crowd. I mean, the ballwashers on ESPN are talking about how great it must of felt for him to scramble for the important first down, except he ran
out of bounds, killed the clock, and gave the Eagles one last shot....

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The game announcers commented on it in a critical way.

Rob0729 said:

I think I have come around to saying that Manning is better than Brady and possibly the best QB ever. The guy has almost nothing to work with on either side of the ball and basically wins games on his own. Without Manning right now, the Colts would be 0-4. Caldwell is a big reason why Manning has to carry the team.

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Nothing to work with? They have a better defense than us right now. With a front seven containing Mathis and Freeny. {best pass rushing tandem around}. Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark is the number one Tight End, Wide Receiver due in this league. Manning should of thrown the game clinching interception.

9-9 in the playoffs while compiling winning seasons is not elite.

Rob0729 said:

That is two players out of 10 other players on the field with Manning. Their o-line and RBs are mediocre. Eventhough Austin Collie is having a great year, I think he would be average with another team that doesn't have Manning, Brady, or Brees (or maybe one or two other QBs).

I would rather have Brady than Manning, but I think Manning is the better QB. I know that sounds contradictory. The Colts would be 0-4 right now without Manning and probably would have been 5-11 last year.

As for philosophies, I disagree. The Colts spent two first round picks in recent years on RBs, but neither one is all that good. Even with two high paid DEs, the Colts spent a first round pick on another one (who is shaping up to be a disapointment so far although it is early). They paid Freeney, Sanders, and Mathis top dollar. I think the Colts have spent a lot to bolster their running game and defense, but they have failed many times. I think the Colts' drafting is way overrated because they have missed a lot with first and second rounders in recent years (Addai, Brown, Ugoh, Fili Moala, Anthony Gonzalez who started out strong and faded like Addai did, and Tim Jennings), but because Manning has carried the team they haven't gotten slammed like the Pats.

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Here are some quotes on Addai from Indie fans

Addai is underrated. - Colts Football - Football - Colts.com - Forum Credit Union Fan Forum. - Message Board

Joseph should of been Superbowl MVP. That offensive line made Manning the least sacked QB in 2009. It might not run block effectively but as a pass blocking unit they fair well. Every other statement you made is a bunch of what ifs. The Colts have an elite receiving unit that shouldn't be debatable. They also had a better defense than the Saints but that gets overlooked.

How great would it be if the Colts undergo the same downfall that Bill Callahan/Barry Switzer brought to their teams. After a year or 2 of the team doing well purely due to the talent already built, the lack of competent coaching finally catches up and the team crumbles. I'm not sure it will happen just because #18 is that good, but I'm popping wood just thinking about it.

I hope that decision continues to fly under the radar, the less pressure to can the guy the better.

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Here are some quotes on Addai from Indie fans

Addai is underrated. - Colts Football - Football - Colts.com - Forum Credit Union Fan Forum. - Message Board

Joseph should of been Superbowl MVP. That offensive line made Manning the least sacked QB in 2009. It might not run block effectively but as a pass blocking unit they fair well. Every other statement you made is a bunch of what ifs. The Colts have an elite receiving unit that shouldn't be debatable. They also had a better defense than the Saints but that gets overlooked.

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So you are going by Colts' fans reactions to prove your point about Addai? There are people on this board who talk about how great BJGE is and how he just needs touches to be a 1,000 yard back. Addai hasn't lived up to his first round billing since he played the Pats in November of 2007. Maroney has been more effective than him during the time.

As for the o-line, they have been pretty pourous on passing downs. I credit Manning and his quick release for him not getting sacked. Overrall the Colts' o-line is average at best.

The Colts' receiving corp is partially a product of Manning just like the receiving corp for the Pats in the past has been the product of Brady. Wayne and Clark have been consistent, but the other guys have not with different guys becoming stars and then dropping in production. This year it is Collie who is the main guy. Last year it was Garcon. The year before that, it was Gonzalez.

TB=TD said:

Nothing to work with? They have a better defense than us right now. With a front seven containing Mathis and Freeny. {best pass rushing tandem around}. Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark is the number one Tight End, Wide Receiver due in this league. Manning should of thrown the game clinching interception.

9-9 in the playoffs while compiling winning seasons is not elite.

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In the in game thread yesterday people were telling me how the Colts D is just as bad as ours. I think Mathis and Freeney instantly make it a better unit.

I agree with Rob. They have Blair White in as their 3rd wideout. Blair White. They have an undrafted free agent playing at LT. I would go with Austin and Witten as my #1, but your point is clear. But remember, last year we had Moss and Welker and no-one else. Our run game was pretty average. That offense had some limitations, that often came through at the end of games. They are going through the same kind of thing right now.

Rob0729 said:

So you are going by Colts' fans reactions to prove your point about Addai? There are people on this board who talk about how great BJGE is and how he just needs touches to be a 1,000 yard back. Addai hasn't lived up to his first round billing since he played the Pats in November of 2007. Maroney has been more effective than him during the time.

As for the o-line, they have been pretty pourous on passing downs. I credit Manning and his quick release for him not getting sacked. Overrall the Colts' o-line is average at best.

The Colts' receiving corp is partially a product of Manning just like the receiving corp for the Pats in the past has been the product of Brady. Wayne and Clark have been consistent, but the other guys have not with different guys becoming stars and then dropping in production. This year it is Collie who is the main guy. Last year it was Garcon. The year before that, it was Gonzalez.

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Addai can pass block, receive in the backfield and create YAR. Those intangibles only show up in top tier running backs. I repeat, he should of been the Super bowl MVP.

If you want to see an average O-line look no further than the Green Bay Packers. The pressure Arron Rogers endures every game is much more than Manning has received. Manning has an average of 3 seconds or more every snap.

The main guys are Clark and Wayne they dictate coverage and are targeted on crucial down and distances. Like I stated before they're the best tight end wide receiver combination that anyone has. Requiring double teams and chips which open up a Garcon or Collie. The Colts have an elite unit.

SVN said:

to be honest, the jags made a non aggressive play with a draw call,playing for overtime with almost a min to play. he figured he could stop them on 3 and out and get the ball back with 20 odd secs and win the game. cant blame him because usually the jags oblige with there stupid plays but it didnt work out yesterday in the end. inspite of all that gerrard handed them the game on the 2nd down pass and their D didnt make a play.

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I would tend to agree with you had the situation been slightly different. After the run, the Jags were at their own 31 and it was 2nd and 2. The jags had been running the ball well the whole game and it was very unlikely that the colts would be able to stop the jags on two more runs. The jags also still had 1 timeout left.

Had the jags not had a timeout left, the timeout might be a good idea simply because the Jags would not be able to work the middle of the field. The colts would only have to guard the sidelines. If the jags make a first down, the clock keeps running and its very unlikely that the jags get enough plays off to get within field goal range.

Also, had the jags been backed up inside their own 10, then calling a timeout might have been the right call. But the Jags were on the 31. A punt that nets 40 yds, puts the colts on their own 31, with no timeouts left, and about 20 seconds left on the clock. They would need about 40 yards to get into field goal range. In that situation, they're not going to score.

The fact that The jags only needed to gain 30 yards and still had a timeout makes calling the timeout a bad decision. That's two 15 yard passes, with the defense playing back to defend against the big play and the offense having the option to work the middle of the field. IMO, it was just a terrible idea to call the timeout.

Rob0729 said:

The Colts' receiving corp is partially a product of Manning just like the receiving corp for the Pats in the past has been the product of Brady. Wayne and Clark have been consistent, but the other guys have not with different guys becoming stars and then dropping in production. This year it is Collie who is the main guy. Last year it was Garcon. The year before that, it was Gonzalez.

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Both Gonzalez and Garcon have suffered from injuries since Collie is knackered for next season then

TB=TD said:

Addai can pass block, receive in the backfield and create YAR. Those intangibles only show up in top tier running backs. I repeat, he should of been the Super bowl MVP.

If you want to see an average O-line look no further than the Green Bay Packers. The pressure Arron Rogers endures every game is much more than Manning has received. Manning has an average of 3 seconds or more every snap.

The main guys are Clark and Wayne they dictate coverage and are targeted on crucial down and distances. Like I stated before they're the best tight end wide receiver combination that anyone has. Requiring double teams and chips which open up a Garcon or Collie. The Colts have an elite unit.

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So you are saying Addai would have been a good third round pick who was drafted in the first round. Sound pretty bustish if you ask me. I mean Maroney would have made a good third round pick too and people label him a bust.

As for comparing Manning and Rodgers is a little crazy. Rodgers is a great QB, but his biggest knock is that he doesn't get rid of the ball. Manning's line has been banged up all year this year and Manning is having a career year in completion percentage and on track to break Marino's passing yards record with clearly his worst o-line of his career and it isn't even debatable.

Are the Colts receivers really elite or are they elite because of Manning. Brandon Stokely was a 1,000 yard receiver for Manning and was not even close after he left the Colts. Marcus Pollard was a top TE when he was with the Colts and was mediocre after. Ben Utecht looked like an up and coming TE with the Colts and then realized he was a product of Manning when he went to the Bengals.

I have been accused of being the biggest Pats homer on this board, but I have learned to appreciate Manning. He is doing things with almost nothing in Indy and has for years.