What WR would you rather sign next year? Randy Moss or...

Bess is Best in the slot, how the hell is he gonna replace Randy?

How many slot Recievers does one team need?

If were lucky maybe we can get Greg Camarillo to replace Moss.

KontradictioN said:

That's cool that he has all that upside, but the fact stands... the guy's been a ghost through the first two games of the season.

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Randy Moss being TFB's deep target goes not help Tate's cause.



If I had it my way Moss would be traded

The quality of the posts on this board continue to amaze me. I won't even get in to the ridculous assertion that you know that Davone Bess has a better attitude than Randy Moss (by the way, how many teammates have to say Randy Moss is an F'ing great teammate before some people will believe this?).

Davone Bess is a slot receiver, he's going to make the majority of his catches out of the slot and inside the numbers no further than 15 yards down the field. Sound like anyone else we have on the roster?

You think it's a good idea to not only start two slot receivers, but two guys under 6'0 who lack speed? Without a field stretcher, do you honestly think Wes Welker approaches 100 catches? Is he left one on one with Bart Scott as he was last week?

The Patriots have plenty of underneath targets, they only have one big play guy right now. What they need is for Tate to develop in to a guy who can make some plays down the field, which will make it easier to get the ball to Moss.

Yes, a guy who currently is playing fewer snaps than Brandon Marshall and Brian Hartline would be a better signing than Randy Moss.

Topic for your next post: Patriots should have traded for Shaun Hill instead of giving Tom Brady a contract extension.

MrNathanDrake said:

Davone Bess?

You might think I'm crazy, but hear me out

He has a way better attitude than Randy Moss. He's hungrier than Moss.

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By what measure does he have a better attitude? Every indication I've seen is that Moss is well respected in the locker room. He hasn't missed a game and usually is in for more plays than any other skill position player on offense.

KontradictioN said:

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Tate's been a ghost so far this season.

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he's our return guy this year ... next year he advances to more WR.

How is he going to play WR with Moss, Welker, Edelhuman. hernandez and Gronk ahead of him?

I love getting to type GRONK!!!

IcyPatriot said:

he's our return guy this year ... next year he advances to more WR.

How is he going to play WR with Moss, Welker, Edelhuman. hernandez and Gronk ahead of him?

I love getting to type GRONK!!!

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He's playing the split end as the WR3 right now. He's getting all of the chances to get open, get thrown to, and make an impact. For whatever reason, he hasn't in the first two games despite having a very successful camp and preseason. However, we're only going into Week 3 and this is his first extensive action back since his knee injury. So I'm willing to give him more time.

BradyFTW! said:

Do you think that the issue there might be largely that he's a flanker who we're asking to play split end? Seems like Price is better suited to play opposite Moss than Tate is, in the intermediate and long term.

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I suppose it's possible and, to be honest, it's not an explanation that I had thought of before. However, the counter argument that I would offer there is that Stallworth had a fair amount of success there a few years back and he's the same type of receiver as Tate is. So I'm not sure. It could even be that he IS getting open and Brady just isn't looking at him.

...and we wonder why TB had to call out the "average" pats fan at Gillette. :bricks:

IcyPatriot said:

Tate seems closer to assuming Randy's role in the future. Of course he's not Randy but the Tate will be the stretch the field guy as we use high draft picks elsewhere. I doubt we'll ever see Bill take a WR high in the draft again.

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Nicely put.

And here's hoping you're right.

* No offense to anyone else's Drafting Philosophy, but I think the ROI on drafting Wide Outs in the first two rounds is AWFUL.

* Plus, of course, we've now got 4 Starting Caliber young Wide Outs on the roster, in addition to two young MONSTER talents at Tight End.

* In a Salary Cap World, the cost of retaining Moss would simply be FAR too high, in my view.

* Imagine if we could Franchise'm and snag a 1st Rounder for'm, this Winter??

WhiteWesWelker88 said:

Randy Moss being TFB's deep target goes not help Tate's cause.



If I had it my way Moss would be traded

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I feel the same way, except I think Welker is the one that should be traded. He is used as too much of a security blanket for Brady and Brady always throws to him, even when covered. Brady used to go to the open WRs and I miss that. Plus, Welker doesn't score any TDs and you can't win this game on field goals. The guy has such a low YPC in comparison to Moss, Tate, and Hernandez, all of whom are far more explosive players.

KontradictioN said:

He's playing the split end as the WR3 right now. He's getting all of the chances to get open, get thrown to, and make an impact. For whatever reason, he hasn't in the first two games despite having a very successful camp and preseason. However, we're only going into Week 3 and this is his first extensive action back since his knee injury. So I'm willing to give him more time.



I suppose it's possible and, to be honest, it's not an explanation that I had thought of before. However, the counter argument that I would offer there is that Stallworth had a fair amount of success there a few years back and he's the same type of receiver as Tate is. So I'm not sure. It could even be that he IS getting open and Brady just isn't looking at him.

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Go back and watch the move he makes to get some YAC on the one ball he did see. There is no reason he shouldn't get open. I'm just hoping Brady can get back to spreading the ball around a bit more, and dare I say it...look at Randy a little less? His long ball was an issue when he took over for Drew (to be honest this is why I wanted Drew back at the helm guess I was content with him bailing us out in Pitt), and aside from the chuck to triple covered Randy '07 (was it the bills or phins when he caught it amid 3 falling defenders in the end zone), he never really has been that effective with it (07 superfail, misleading Randy on a deep post, when had a step or three on defenders during the last hurrah). I guess you have to take a shot here and there to keep the safeties honest, but damn, lets get back to the dink and dunk attack. Brady has some serious weapons to play with, lets get the ball in their hands quickly and let them make some plays. Edelman and Tate both have big play potential making guys miss, and Hernandez seems to pick up 20 every time he gets the rock. Am I missing something here?

If Brady actually looked at Tate once in a while he would have more catches. Watch the Jets game again and on one of the interceptions Tate was wide open.

woolster22 said:

Go back and watch the move he makes to get some YAC on the one ball he did see. There is no reason he shouldn't get open.

I'm just hoping Brady can get back to spreading the ball around a bit more, and dare I say it...look at Randy a little less? His long ball was an issue when he took over for Drew (to be honest this is why I wanted Drew back at the helm guess I was content with him bailing us out in Pitt), and aside from the chuck to triple covered Randy '07 (was it the bills or phins when he caught it amid 3 falling defenders in the end zone), he never really has been that effective with it (07 superfail, misleading Randy on a deep post, when had a step or three on defenders during the last hurrah).

I guess you have to take a shot here and there to keep the safeties honest, but damn, lets get back to the dink and dunk attack.

Brady has some serious weapons to play with, lets get the ball in their hands quickly and let them make some plays. Edelman and Tate both have big play potential making guys miss, and Hernandez seems to pick up 20 every time he gets the rock. Am I missing something here?

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No, you are not.

Absolutely great post.

Brady has always been a better QuarterBack than Manning and all the rest, even in 2001, but he never was a great Long Baller.

And who gives a rat's @$$?? Joe Montana wasn't the greatest Long Baller.

Championships...are won, about 90% of the time, by the Dink and Dunkers.

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It seems to me quite likely that Coach Bill is maneuvering to return to our original style of play.

And, once next year's Draft completes the process: A much younger, deeper, more talented version, on BOTH sides of the ball.

I'm pretty sure that Randy is vapor, once this season is done.

And while I like Randy a lot, I will celebrate that move, if does, in fact, enable us to complete the O Line and the Front 7 within the confines of the Salary Cap.

Off The Grid said:

* No offense to anyone else's Drafting Philosophy, but I think the ROI on drafting Wide Outs in the first two rounds is AWFUL.

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So that's probably why BB has done that in 4 of the Patsdrafts right? His drafting philosophy must be AWFUL. Branch, Johnson, Jackson, Price.

* Imagine if we could Franchise'm and snag a 1st Rounder for'm, this Winter??

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Dream on. Nobody's giving up a 1st rounder for Moss at this stage in his career. He's more valuable for the Pats to keep than what he would get back in trade. The only real issue is the money/cap space.

Getting rid of Moss will not solve Brady's problem of locking on to WR's. If Moss leaves, Brady will just lock on to Welker.

If Hernandez's role does increase, he may win rookie of the year and end up in the pro bowl. The guy has ridiculous moves after the catch and wants to score every time he catches the ball.

If I'm Brady, I lock onto this guy until defenses start respecting him. When that happens, good luck guarding Moss and Welker.

I also think the Pats need to design plays where Tate gets the ball in bubble screens because he has the ability to take it to the house. I'm shocked how well he's recovered from the injury that he sustained in college and derailed his rookie season.

The only WRs that the Pats should go after are the really old guys that get cut in preseason.

Off the Grid said:

* No offense to anyone else's Drafting Philosophy, but I think the ROI on drafting Wide Outs in the first two rounds is AWFUL.

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VJCPatriot said:

So that's probably why BB has done that in 4 of the Patsdrafts right? His drafting philosophy must be AWFUL. Branch, Johnson, Jackson, Price.

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No need to be nasty.

By the way: Price was a 3rd Rounder.

Perhaps you ought to get your facts straight, before lashing out with the sarcasm?

As for the other 3: Branch played terrifically...and both Johnson and Jackson were SPECTACULAR busts, thus proving my point.

THANK you.

VJCPatriot said:

Dream on. Nobody's giving up a 1st rounder for Moss at this stage in his career. He's more valuable for the Pats to keep than what he would get back in trade. The only real issue is the money/cap space.

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You have an hangover or something, this morning?

I've never been anything but gracious to you, my friend.

Evidently, you missed the part where I said "Imagine" ~ as in ~ I'm SPECULATING.

But I strongly suspect we COULD pull a 1st Rounder from Dan Snyder, those idiots in Chicago, or even those fools in New York...And let's not forget Dallas, though Jones has been sobering up, of late.

But, then: I'm just speculating.

Simmer down.

Off The Grid said:

Brady has always been a better QuarterBack than Manning and all the rest, even in 2001, but he never was a great Long Baller.

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Oh please, Brady couldn't hold Manning's jockstrap in 2001.