Reiss reporting Jarvis Green to be cut by Denver...

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Deus Irae said:

No, it hasn't. He sucks against the run. Hell, we saw him exposed repeatedly last year.

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Exactly. All you have to do is look at the playoff game last year. They targeted him on running plays, and either blew him off the ball or sideways, using only their tackle. The most egregious part about it was that he completely quit after about the first quarter. Just stopped playing. If you re-watch that game and focus on him, you'll know why the Patriots let him walk.

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pencilneckgeek said:

I think you're confusing your Broco DL contracts. Jamal Williams got $7M guaranteed of a $16M contract. Green got a $2.5M signing bonus on a $20M contract with $7M due over the first two years of the deal in roster bonuses and salary. Looks like a reasonable attempt to cut losses. It also might argue the Green isn't the player he was before taking the abuse from filling Seymour's starting position last year.

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You bring up a good point. McDaniels knew what he had in Greeen, paid him as such, and then cut him before the season started? Something must seriously be wrong when you are allowed to make a $2.5+million mistake

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pencilneckgeek said:

I think you're confusing your Broco DL contracts. Jamal Williams got $7M guaranteed of a $16M contract. Green got a $2.5M signing bonus on a $20M contract with $7M due over the first two years of the deal in roster bonuses and salary. Looks like a reasonable attempt to cut losses. It also might argue the Green isn't the player he was before taking the abuse from filling Seymour's starting position last year.

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Sorry, I'm one of the ones guilty of that misstatement. In our defense, it's because Rotoworld (usually an excellent source of salary info) listed Green's guaranteed money as $7 million. But you're right, Denver is really swallowing far less.

Well I guess reading through this what I learned is Jarvis was cut because like most players who end up leaving here for a better contract he was apparently due more than he was worth. Go figure...

MoLewisrocks said:

Well I guess reading through this what I learned is Jarvis was cut because like most players who end up leaving here for a better contract he was apparently due more than he was worth. Go figure...

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I don't suppose I have to tell you how faulty that logic is...

Once a somewhat premiere backup DE in our 34 now he is lucky to get on the field as a nickel rusher, I just don't know anymore...

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patchick said:

Sorry, I'm one of the ones guilty of that misstatement. In our defense, it's because Rotoworld (usually an excellent source of salary info) listed Green's guaranteed money as $7 million. But you're right, Denver is really swallowing far less.

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Right. Denver is out something like 355,000 if Green signs with another team. Just over 1 million if he doesn't.

I haven't watched Denver much this preseason, but it might just be a case where they signed him to a starter's contract, and in fact he's gotten beaten out of the starter's job.

I guess we'll know soon enough whether A) Belichick still thinks he can contribute, and B) If so, whether he's correct in that estimation.

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Deus Irae said:

It's because the situation is desperate. Don't fool yourself. The Broncos gave him $7 million guaranteed and still cut him rather than drop $800k on him for the season.

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You say we are desperate and jarvis is done.............

Well, maybe the Broncos cut him because Jarvis could not beat out the younger Ryan Mcbean. Ryan had lots of upside when he came in but was short on experience - looks to me like he came into his own. Does not mean Jarvis cannot still play at a high level.

I think we can sure use Jarvis and I trust that BB knows what he has left in the tank.

Do we still get a comp pick for Green, even if we sign him?

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dryheat44 said:

Right. Denver is out something like 355,000 if Green signs with another team. Just over 1 million if he doesn't.

I haven't watched Denver much this preseason, but it might just be a case where they signed him to a starter's contract, and in fact he's gotten beaten out of the starter's job.

I guess we'll know soon enough whether A) Belichick still thinks he can contribute, and B) If so, whether he's correct in that estimation.

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Heatster, who would you cut to make room for Jarvis? Just out of curiosity...

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fgssand said:

Does not mean Jarvis cannot still play at a high level.

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No, his performance last year was proof positive that he cannot still play at a high level. Why anyone would want to bring on a "pass rushing specialist" who a.) cannot play the run and b.) cannot rush the passer is beyond me.

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JackBauer said:

No, his performance last year was proof positive that he cannot still play at a high level. Why anyone would want to bring on a "pass rushing specialist" who a.) cannot play the run and b.) cannot rush the passer is beyond me.

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Different team - different responsibilities??

Do you think BB brings him back if what you say is true? Of course not, therefore, if he does then I would think it is because he thinks he can contribute, not because we are so desperate.

Look - he may indeed be done - or - Mcbean just flat out made him expendable.

borisman said:

Do we still get a comp pick for Green, even if we sign him?

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No. But we get a $5 coupon for McDonald's!

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KontradictioN said:

Heatster, who would you cut to make room for Jarvis? Just out of curiosity...

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...answering someone else's question, but hey...

I think you cut one of either Deaderick or Love. Probably Love.

As of today, Jarvis Green has to be considered a better DE for the Pats system than Brace, Deaderick or Love. There is no way Brace is getting cut since he's a 2nd round pick only a year ago and he showed enough in the preseason to suggest he's a better DE than NT.

I like the upside of having a lot of young DLs on the roster, but given that the Pats have lost Seymour and Warren in consecutive years and have some question marks with the new guys (is G. Warren any good?) I would favor continuity. Better to bring Jarvis back.

Come to think of it, it was a big surprise that Love even made the roster. I wouldn't be surprised if McD told BB Green was getting cut in advance so he had this roster spot ready for him.

Personally, I wouldn't even sign Green. I'd let the young guys play and in the event of an injury, call him up.

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fgssand said:

Different team - different responsibilities??

Do you think BB brings him back if what you say is true? Of course not, therefore, if he does then I would think it is because he thinks he can contribute, not because we are so desperate.

Look - he may indeed be done - or - Mcbean just flat out made him expendable.

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Last year he was on the Patriots, and looked terrible.

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fillylabinga said:

As of today, Jarvis Green has to be considered a better DE for the Pats system than Brace, Deaderick or Love.

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He does?

I think I'd rather have any of those guys over Green.

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I believe Green can contribute, he peaked in '06/7 as far as tackles and sacks as did Warren. Warren had 56 tkls and 7.5 sacks in 06 Green had 26 tkls and 7.5 sacks the same year. Both have dropped off dramatically after 06, especially Warren. I think there could be a connection. If i remember right Warrens hip started bothering him in '07 that year his totals for tkls and sacks were 4 saks and 34 tkls. The point is that with Warrens effectiveness dropping off teams could concentrate more on Greens side. Green has had One less tackle every year since 06, but his sacks have gone from 7.5 to 1 in 09 Of course i'm not taking into account the LB play going from Vrable when he was healthy and young to Woods and Burgess for example.

Warrens Numbers

Ty Warren NFL & AFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Greens Numbers

Jarvis Green NFL & AFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com

I think he is more of a big 43 end rather than a 34 end but they still need to pick him up if he's eventually dropped. We're razor thin at that spot, he knows the system and the more bodies that we have to throw out there the better

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JackBauer said:

Last year he was on the Patriots, and looked terrible.

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I watched him last year - he was thrust into a different role last year, as was the entire line, trying to fill the void of RS departure.

My point was in Denver, this preseason, Mcbean obviosuly beat him out at DE and Denver cut their losses tight then and there.

Again, it seems to me we have a postion of need and if BB thinks he can help, then I would welcome him back.