Manning & Polian whine on new umpire position (merged)

Re: Rule Under Review after Manning, Polian Complain

Metaphors said:

I don't think I can make it any clearer than that so feel free to AVOID posting a reply telling me what my post means.

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I've surveyed many of your posts, and it seems clear to me that you are incapable of articulating a single coherent thought.

Your mind is muddled, your thinking sloppy, and your football knowledge nonexistent.

I'll offer my services to you. Feel free to PM me when you're confused about something relating to football, whether it's the number of players each team has on the field, or defender responsibilities in quarters-quarters-halves coverage.

I'll tutor you, my friend, and soon you'll be able to contribute to the forum.

Re: Rule Under Review after Manning, Polian Complain

KontradictioN said:

Quote where I said it's only the Colts who have penalties called against them. Please quote it. I would love to see just where I said that.

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OK, sure. Right after you quote where I said Tom Brady is going to San Francisco. I would love to see just where I said that.

KontradictioN said:

The thing about it is that I haven't said that. It hasn't only been the Colts that have been penalized. It HAS only been the Colts that have whined about it, though.

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You must not have watched the Saints game last night, because they were getting pretty pissed off too. And I don't blame 'em.

KontradictioN said:

Not trying to change the subject.

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Then please explain how your "Tom Brady to San Francisco" comment has anything to do with the subject of the new rule. I look forward to you squirming your way around that answer.

KontradictioN said:

And where have I looked silly? Bringing up a solid fact or two is silly? If that's the case, you've been spending too much time in the bottom feeding forum, and that's probably where you should go back to. No. What I was doing was rubbing it in. You spent so much time VEHEMENTLY trying to make a case for why Brady was going to San Francisco or any other California team about month and a half ago.

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What I said was that there was a 25% to 33% chance Brady leaves New England, and a 67% to 75% chance he stays. If saying there is at most a 1/3rd chance something happens means I "VEHEMENTLY" believe it will happen, well I think you need to work on the ole' reading comprehension, my ignorant friend.

Now please explain what my 1/4th to 1/3rd guesstimate of Tom Brady has to do with this new rule, and how that doesn't constitute a pathetic attempt on your part to change the subject.

Just watched the Seahawks running a two minute drill with the no huddle. There was no problem with time or penalties.

Deus Irae said:

Just watched the Seahawks running a two minute drill with the no huddle. There was no problem with time or penalties.

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They must be doing it wrong. :snob:

patriots pam said:

They must be doing it wrong. :snob:

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Bwahahahahaha....... :singing:

Deus Irae said:

Just watched the Seahawks running a two minute drill with the no huddle. There was no problem with time or penalties.

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I saw that too. The end of the 1st half. I hate to burst your bubble but um, the umpire goes back to his old position inside the 2:00 warning. So yeah, it isn't going to be a problem under those circumstances. The problem comes when teams decide to do a true hurry up offense outside the 2:00 warnings.

patriots pam said:

They must be doing it wrong. :snob:

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No, as I explained to Deus Irae, they ran it inside the 2:00 warning so they had the benefit of the umpire being in his old position.

I guess we all just have to get used to the idea that a true hurry up offense is now illegal for the first 28 minutes of each half. I don't know why so many people are comfortable with this.

Wolfpack said:

I saw that too. The end of the 1st half. I hate to burst your bubble but um, the umpire goes back to his old position inside the 2:00 warning. So yeah, it isn't going to be a problem under those circumstances. The problem comes when teams decide to do a true hurry up offense outside the 2:00 warnings.

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No bubble burst. The point is that the two minute drill and no huddle can still be done without penalty.


BTW... the official needs to spot the ball and move the ball on each play. The time difference is a matter of 1-3 seconds. If Manning can't handle waiting that long, I suggest Ritalin.

Deus Irae said:

No bubble burst. The point is that the two minute drill and no huddle can still be done without penalty.

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Well, duh.

Obviously during the 6.67% of the game played inside a 2:00 warning, you can run the hurry up offense without any problem from the new rule because the new rule gets thrown out the window during those time periods. It's just a shame you can't run a true hurry offense during the remaining 93.33% of the game.

Why I am the only one uncomfortable with this is completely beyond me.

EDIT: I shouldn't say I am the only one uncomfortable with this. The ovelwhelming majority of fans in the forums I participate in agree with me. It's only here in the Patriots forums that people seem not to mind. I wonder why that is.

Perhaps those syncophantic forums are more suitabe for your intellect

Only us Patriot fans like this new rule?

where the hell is he getting THAT from?

reads like he's got an axe to grind against "you Patriot fans"

whatever ,pal...SSDD

Wolfpack said:

No, as I explained to Deus Irae, they ran it inside the 2:00 warning so they had the benefit of the umpire being in his old position.

I guess we all just have to get used to the idea that a true hurry up offense is now illegal for the first 28 minutes of each half. I don't know why so many people are comfortable with this.

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Well, I'm not uncomfortable with it at this point. :shrug: I'm taking the (bold )stance that we'll just have to see how it shakes out in the reg season. Since it doesn't apply during the 2MD, then I imagine it might only be an issue in a limited amount of situations outside that. Hopefully a game would be going better than having this rule be make or break, otherwise there are bigger issues.

And right now, since the Colts butter their bread by this, I'm mostly just delighting in the fact that it's making Polian and Manning cry about it. Revenge really is sweet!

Joker said:

Only us Patriot fans like this new rule?

where the hell is he getting THAT from?

reads like he's got an axe to grind against "you Patriot fans"

whatever ,pal...SSDD

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Go to other forums and guage the popular sentiment. Don't get mad at me for pointing out that the significant majority of fans don't like the new rule. It seems to be only in this forum that people like it. I wonder why that is.

PatsWickedPissah said:

Perhaps those syncophantic forums are more suitabe for your intellect

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Maybe, but since you're so much smarter than all the rest of us, perhaps you can tell us what the word "syncophantic" means.

Wolfpack said:

Well, duh.

Obviously during the 6.67% of the game played inside a 2:00 warning, you can run the hurry up offense without any problem from the new rule because the new rule gets thrown out the window during those time periods. It's just a shame you can't run a true hurry offense during the remaining 93.33% of the game.

Why I am the only one uncomfortable with this is completely beyond me.

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Because your claim is nonsense.

Deus Irae said:

Because your claim is nonsense.

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I guess you don't follow the NFL because your statement is ridiculous. This new rule is obviously a topic of discussion around the league.

I suggest you actually watch football games since the more you talk, the more clear it is that you just don't follow the sport terribly much at all.

I am not crazy about this rule, but it is a rule that we have known about for MONTHS. It was even reported how the Patriots brought in officials to explain how the rule would be called and spent a lot of practice time adapting.

In contrast, crazily the Colts act like they knew nothing about it, whine like the little pansy quitters they are, and want it changed now at the last minute, because they haven't bothered to adapt. Tough. At this point, keep the rule. Prepared teams have adjusted and moved on.

Re: Rule Under Review after Manning, Polian Complain

Here is a video showing one of the calls against the Colts. Anyone can use this to tell how long it took for the umpire to clear the backfield.

YouTube - Illegal Snap

Not that long. And if you consider it takes longer than 0 seconds for the umpire to clear the DL even when he is on the defensive side of the ball, the relative impact is even less.

I really don't care where the umpire is located. If the league wants to move him around and the only impact is what you see on the video above...well, there have got to be more pressing issues to devote your attention.

Just to make sure the thread stays factual...

- The umpire doesn't have to go back 15 yards. He just has to clear the backfield before the ball can be snapped.

- The position of the umpire did go through the competition committee and Polian voted for the change.

- Sycophantic is a word, and is probably the finest word I have even seen used in any form of communication.

Metaphors said:

Just to make sure the thread stays factual...

- The umpire doesn't have to go back 15 yards. He just has to clear the backfield before the ball can be snapped.

- The position of the umpire did go through the competition committee and Polian voted for the change.

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Yes, the competition committee did vote unanimously to approve the new rule (even though they didn't have to since it isn't really a rule change). I thought it was a good idea when I first heard about it, and I still think it's a good idea that shouldn't be done away with entirely. But now I think it needs some tweaking.

Metaphors said:

- Sycophantic is a word, and is probably the finest word I have even seen used in any form of communication.

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Well, what about "syncophantic"..? Is that also a word..?