Old Testament reasons for Jews to believe in Jesus

wistahpatsfan · Sep 11, 2006

scout said:
Oh man, I really didn't want to get into this, but, ...

Why bother?

3 to be 4 · Sep 11, 2006

scout said:
Oh man, I really didn't want to get into this, but, actually the priest is God in confession.

I cant seem to find that in the Bible.

Nikki · Sep 11, 2006

3 to be 4 said:
I cant seem to find that in the Bible.

The simple fact that you have NO CLUE that I, as a Catholic, must go to confession with my Priest, to confess my sins and ask for forgiveness from God, pretty much says to me that you don't care about any other religion than what you are spouting off about whatever jacked-up form of "born-again" Christianity you are following.

I can see from your last 2 posts, you have NO CLUE about any other religious teachings other than "Preacher YouTube".

I think I will stick with the Roman Catholic Religion since it has been around a little bit longer than YouTube has been.

But keeping posting your links...............eventually you will find some poor soul who really IS looking for salvation and he/she will stumble upon your YouTube links and you will have another follower of whatever it is that you are preaching/teaching.

Clonamery · Sep 11, 2006

3tob4:

"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheepâ€™s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves (Matt. 7:15).

My suggestion is to put your keyboard down, step back, reflect, read some whatever book(s) make you smile and cry, hold your loved ones, pray some, plant a flower, pray some more, read whatever book(s) makes you smile and cry again, water your flower, have your loved ones hold you, do a good deed, let someone do a good deed for you no matter how long it seems to take and then realize that you haven't spoken or preached (in days) yet still have loved and been loved in more ways than most.

There's more to life or a book or even THE book than we'll ever understand. And there is more in giving to others than interpreting words from a book.

Like I said, 'shhhhh and get on with your life.'

Today (9/11) is good day to start......peace be with you.

3 to be 4 · Sep 12, 2006

Clonamery said:
3tob4:

"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheepâ€™s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves (Matt. 7:15).

What the ?? this post is more of a note to the whole board and not directed at one person.

If I think im reading what you are saying correctly..........While I am flattered you see me as trying to be or something, it just astonishes me how a lot of you or so DETERMINED to not be open to anything concerning the Bible or ************, that you instead, turn this into "lets all make this all about a referendum on 3 to be 4"

its a marvelous strategy, one the Republicans used to win Presidential elections in 1988 and 2004.

You have no answers for the Old Testament reasons to believe in ************. There are no answers to my question about the first commandment.
No thoughtful discussion regarding the divinity of ************.

So instead, its been all about what kind of person 3 to be 4 is. You see? He lies. He makes mistakes. He must be wrong!!!! As if the only people who are right about God are wonderful, perfect, people??? hardly.

We all have sin. Everyone has sin. Everyone has lied and are therefore liars, etc etc etc etc

what good is it to be right about whether you are better than me if you goof up on the biggest decision of your life?

Dont be flip about God. Think about where you stand with God. Think about the big picture. The Bible has been authenicated more than any book in history. Its prophesies have come true consistantly. ************ fulfilled over 300 of them, a mathematical mind blower if there ever was one.

Are his people flawed? You bet they are. But He is not. His love and His forgiveness know no end.

This isnt about youtube videos or who lied about what or who slandered who, its about ************ being the way, the truth, and the life.

Its about accepting ************ as your Lord and Savior. And reading His Word, the Bible. And when you stumble, going back to Him for daily forgiveness and guidance.

It sure is better to have Salvation with ************ and be flawed, which we all are anyway, than to seperated from Him, and go about your life thinking all is swell and good because of how "good" you are, or how rich you are, or what relationship you are in, or who you can get to agree with you on a chat board.

Its perfectly fine to think anything you want about me, but it would be tragic if you let the forces of those who do not accept Christ influence you to reject Him based on their ability to make this all about a guy like me.

the ravenous wolves have indeed come and devoured. And I do understand why they did so and I forgive them as I hope they forgive me.

I assure you all my motives were only this: ************ didnt command his followers to sit quiet. Salvation is literally life and death. And my desire was to offer up an option that is not talked much about in New England.
Its not ME, its not MY way. Its His way. I havent once said anything about Jesus that isnt in the Bible.

Where i strayed in my flawnessness was getting baited into things and then acting out of my own flawnessness, the same one you all have.

the difference is I know where ive erred and I know that Im forgiven. I hope you have that same security of knowing the love and forgiveness of ************.

I take back nothing ive said about the Bible and about the Lord.

I sure hope you respond to God. Dont waste your time once again, responding to me. Or else you've missed the whole point.

with that im backing off, which will make many of you happy. I just think it at this point that peace is needed and my wish is for you all to consider, not what I say, but what the Bible says. Seek out the Lord, with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.

Please think about the question i posed regarding the First Commandment. Give God his rightful place. Give Him what is Right, not what is left.

Peace be with you all.

************ loves you.

wistahpatsfan · Sep 12, 2006

I am without sin.

....No, really!

Clonamery · Sep 13, 2006

wistahpatsfan said:
I am without sin.

....No, really!

I knew it was you.

CPF · Sep 14, 2006

Nikki said:
The simple fact that you have NO CLUE that I, as a Catholic, must go to confession with my Priest, to confess my sins and ask for forgiveness from God, pretty much says to me that you don't care about any other religion than what you are spouting off about whatever jacked-up form of "born-again" Christianity you are following.

I can see from your last 2 posts, you have NO CLUE about any other religious teachings other than "Preacher YouTube".

I think I will stick with the Roman Catholic Religion since it has been around a little bit longer than YouTube has been.

But keeping posting your links...............eventually you will find some poor soul who really IS looking for salvation and he/she will stumble upon your YouTube links and you will have another follower of whatever it is that you are preaching/teaching.

Hey Nikki, first let me introduce myself, I'm CPF, you might have read a few of my posts (or not) but I don't think we have had any direct conversation before.

Anyway, let me get to my point. I understand that you are angry and frustrated with 3 to be, but honestly at the end of the day, if you really are a faithful Catholic (I was raised Catholic by the way) you and him probably agree on alot more than you think. I'm sure that you're Priest reads from the Holy Scriptures at Mass correct? You have probably heard the Scriptures that portray us all as sinners correct? Rom 3:23 "for all sinned and fall short of the glory of God I'm also sure that he has also taught you the Scriptures that tell us how sin results in spiritual death and judgment right? Heb 9:27 â€œAnd as it is appointed to men once to die, but after this the judgmentâ€ Iâ€™m sure that he has also told you that Christ is the remedy for our condition Rom 5:8 â€œChrist died for us while we were still sinners. This demonstrates God's love for us.â€ 1Pe 3:18 For Christ also once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, indeed being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the Spirit; This is all ringing a bell correct?

You see, if you believe the Bible to be the Word of God, which you must if you follow the Catholic faith, then you should pretty much agree with the bulk of what 3 to be has had to say and you really shouldnâ€™t have any problem with proselytizing, in fact, if you think about it, you should be telling folks about Jesus as well, because after all the Scripture does say; Mat 28:18-20 Then Jesus came up and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore, as you go, disciple all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you each and every day until the end of the age." If you guys could both stop being angry at each other for all of five seconds you just may find you have more in common that you think. Take care, CPF

Nikki · Sep 18, 2006

CPF.......Hey! Just saw your post in another thread that you posted me a question here, so I am just reading this now. And will try to reply the best that I can.

I spent 10 years from the age of 6 to the age of 16 going to CCD classes every Sunday. I made my first Communion, and then my Confirmation when I was 16. I taught CCD classes for my Church for 3 years from the age of 18 to 21.

Unfortunately, I am not the perfect model Catholic citizen. I am Pro-Choice.....which as you might know is a big no-no for a Catholic. I also believe that woman should be allowed to take BCP, another no-no. I also struggle with the fact that if an infant should die at birth or before it is baptized, does not go to Heaven, but remains in purgatory because his/her original sin was not forgiven before death.

So because of all of these reasons, do I not feel as though I am devoted enough to the Catholic religion to be out here on a daily basis "recruiting" others to be Catholic.

I can only do the best that I can in my religion, which is going to Church to listen to Mass (and I will admit I do not make it there every week), go to confession with my Priest, and to try and live my life the best way that I can according to everything I was taught. I am in no way perfect, but I don't claim to be.

Not sure if that answered any of questions, but I did the best I could for a Monday morning

scout · Sep 18, 2006

CPF, Nikki, mind if I tag on to this thread? I am also Catholic, had been away from the church for a number of years and started going back a few years ago. Actually, a major reason for my re-entry was because I wanted my girls to be baptised Catholics, and brought up as Catholics. Thankfully, I attended a Catholic Church that was as liberal as the "law" would allow. As I too, don't totally agree with all the Catholic preachings. I think all religions have their quirks and are hypocritical in some aspects. But, I was raised Catholic and there is a sense of pride in that, along with the guilt. I need to go to confession.......but that's another story.

CPF · Sep 20, 2006

Nikki said:
CPF.......Hey! Just saw your post in another thread that you posted me a question here, so I am just reading this now. And will try to reply the best that I can.

Oh good, I was hoping that was the case and that you hadn’t put me on “ignore”

I spent 10 years from the age of 6 to the age of 16 going to CCD classes every Sunday. I made my first Communion, and then my Confirmation when I was 16. I taught CCD classes for my Church for 3 years from the age of 18 to 21.

I grew up Catholic as well but didn’t have near the involvement that you did. It seems that with that kind of attendance you would surely have come across the Scriptures I addressed in my post to you. I was actually quite interested in your reaction to those, specifically how they related to you and 3toB. Do you feel that maybe you guy’s might have had more “common ground” than it would have appeared from your exchanges? I understand that you rubbed each other the wrong way, but perhaps there was some misunderstanding on both sides that might have been overcome with a little effort. What do you think?

Unfortunately, I am not the perfect model Catholic citizen. I am Pro-Choice.....which as you might know is a big no-no for a Catholic. I also believe that woman should be allowed to take BCP, another no-no. I also struggle with the fact that if an infant should die at birth or before it is baptized, does not go to Heaven, but remains in purgatory because his/her original sin was not forgiven before death.

Nikki nobody is perfect, Catholic or otherwise, that is precisely why we need Christ in the first place. I don’t really want to get off on a side bar concerning abortion…..suffice to say we disagree. As far as purgatory and newborn babies are concerned; I have read through the entire Bible about ten times, give or take a time or two, and try as I might I can find scant, if any, evidence that A) there exists a place called purgatory and B) that newborn babies would be condemned to hell simply because they did not have a little water sprinkled on their heads. I know from a Catholic perspective this is difficult to come to grips with but I encourage anyone having the same kind of struggles to simply search the Scriptures for themselves…..see what they have to say, and discover God and His Son for yourself…it can be quite a powerful experience.

So because of all of these reasons, do I not feel as though I am devoted enough to the Catholic religion to be out here on a daily basis "recruiting" others to be Catholic.

How about simply telling others about Christ and the salvation found in His shed blood? I can’t imagine that a person such as yourself, really trying to be obedient to your religion, and thus Christ, would want to disobey a mandate from the Lord Himself. One of the last things Christ told his disciples (which by the way you are if you have chosen to follow Him) can be found in all of the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark and Luke) but I think it is read best in Matthew 28:18-20, which states ” Then Jesus came up and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore, as you go, disciple all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you each and every day until the end of the age." You see we are given a commandment to tell everyone we can about Christ and His teachings, and as you can see Christ anticipated comments and feelings such as the ones you have expressed by indicating you are not equipped to accomplish the mission. He tells us that it is with His authority that we go forth and furthermore that He Himself will be with us always. Just a few things to think about on a spiritual level.

I can only do the best that I can in my religion, which is going to Church to listen to Mass (and I will admit I do not make it there every week), go to confession with my Priest, and to try and live my life the best way that I can according to everything I was taught. I am in no way perfect, but I don't claim to be.

Not sure if that answered any of questions, but I did the best I could for a Monday morning

You did a fine job of answering my questions, thank you. I hope you realize that virtually no one within the Evangelical movement feels as thought they are perfect either, I would hope that we all can recognize that we are flawed in many ways and that each of us needs the grace of God and His boundless mercy each and every day of our lives, from start to finish. Try to remember that it is not the things we do that strengthen our relationship with God, but a faith in what He has already done for us, that makes all the difference in the world. Take care, CPF

Oh P.S, my wife loves that "Laguna Beach" show too

I just don't get it, seems like a bunch of whiny rich kids to me.

CPF · Sep 20, 2006

scout said:
CPF, Nikki, mind if I tag on to this thread? I am also Catholic, had been away from the church for a number of years and started going back a few years ago. Actually, a major reason for my re-entry was because I wanted my girls to be baptised Catholics, and brought up as Catholics. Thankfully, I attended a Catholic Church that was as liberal as the "law" would allow. As I too, don't totally agree with all the Catholic preachings. I think all religions have their quirks and are hypocritical in some aspects. But, I was raised Catholic and there is a sense of pride in that, along with the guilt. I need to go to confession.......but that's another story.

Well, I can't speak for Nikki but I for one would love to have you aboard. What exactly are you "guilty" about? I do condone confesion, to a Priest or directly to God, it is "good for the soul". I look forward to talking with you. Take care, CPF.

3 to be 4 · Sep 21, 2006

http://www.parentalguide.com/Documen...t_of_jesus.htm

what a great link this is. check out the first few paragraphs. Pretty much answers so much of the misconceptions out there. And note the listing of rational scriptural reasoning. Its not a demand of anyone. Its not a forced doctrine. its simply a link of reasons. Dont like it, then reject it.
but dont let someone elses fear and hatred tell you this anything "horrible" or "threatening"

be your own judge. I just love the Lord. Isnt He great?

shmessy · Sep 21, 2006

3 to be 4 said:
http://www.parentalguide.com/Documen...t_of_jesus.htm

what a great link this is. check out the first few paragraphs. Pretty much answers so much of the misconceptions out there. And note the listing of rational scriptural reasoning. Its not a demand of anyone. Its not a forced doctrine. its simply a link of reasons. Dont like it, then reject it.
but dont let someone elses fear and hatred tell you this anything "horrible" or "threatening"

be your own judge. I just love the Lord. Isnt He great?

People who have fear and hatred tend to drop F-Bombs on others.

3 to be 4 · Sep 22, 2006

shmessy said:
People who have fear and hatred tend to drop F-Bombs on others.

please forgive my swearing at you.

isnt God wonderful? I know you can say it.

Nikki · Sep 22, 2006

3tobe4.......I see your self-imposed hiatus is over.

shmessy · Sep 22, 2006

3 to be 4 said:
please forgive my swearing at you.

isnt God wonderful? I know you can say it.

God IS wonderful!

And, of course, I forgive you.

3 to be 4 · Sep 22, 2006

Nikki said:
3tobe4.......I see your self-imposed hiatus is over.

yeah, i figured after a few days of perspective, what the hey, its a website, dont get so worked up.

I read some nice posts by CPF and yourself. Im sorry with how everything happened. You seem like a nice person. All i was trying to say, and I think CPF said it better than I ever could, was as a Catholic, isnt the focus still about Jesus first? I know the Priest is important and the church and Mary. But above all, I thought Jesus and the Bible were the main focus.

And i reacted pretty strongly to , not what or how you said what you said about the stripping thing, but WHEN you said it. it seemed odd to me that a believer would do that. Because to me, it was more an insult to Jesus than to me. So it started this thing and im sorry i didnt handle it more delicately.
that has never been my way, im kind of like Andy Garcia in Godfather 3 and i still take the bite your ear off approach while more learned folks like CPF keep their cool. I attribute it to my passion for the Lord.
And the same goes for my salty language at Shmessy.

Yes, everybody, im a work in progress. But there is one who is perfect and loves me and loves you. thats ************. And while people may change from day to day He never does.

CPF · Sep 22, 2006

Yes, everybody, im a work in progress. But there is one who is perfect and loves me and loves you. thats ************. And while people may change from day to day He never does.

Well said 3toB, welcome back brother. Take care, CPF

3 to be 4 · Sep 23, 2006

CPF said:
Well said 3toB, welcome back brother. Take care, CPF

Thanks. And thanks for changing where the conversation was going and getting back into the Word. We are always learning, changing and growing.

Praise the Lord.

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