Do you want to pay Mankins big money?

I voted an emphatic yes! He's been everything and more you want in a professional player. Pay him what he deserves! If the Patriots are unwilling to pay him what he's earned trade him and be done with it!

MoLewisrocks said:

If the rumor is true that the Patriots deal called for rolling in his RFA tender (so really a 6 year $38M+ deal or Deion redux) he might have a point unless the other rumor is true that the whole deal included $25M in guaranteed money (Deion couldn't get $12M). Guaranteed money trumps first three unless the signing bonus implicitly guarantees you see year 3, and the $12M Evans got isn't enough to since the remaining dead money of <$7M split over two capped seasons would be manageable were they to cut him.

Still, nothing remotely in the range of insulting or lies unless you inexplicably convinced yourself that the NEP were gonna offer you top of the market for simply honoring a rookie deal which like most rookies you felt you'd outperformed...

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I agree.. which is the bane of my argument against the way Mankins has conducted himself. Smacks of small town farm boy with poor advice.

I'd like to have kept him for continuities sake but now given his attitude and approach I'm really not fussed.

mgteich said:

I guess two probowls is now a normal expectation for rookie contracts.

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Probowls are popularity contests. Most of the awards voted on by fans, mediots and even players are. If you base your compensation scale and teambuilding decisions on them you generally get what you deserve...overpaid, overhyped talent that doesn't win championships for you. Bears fans were positively giddy last season because they traded for a pro bowl QB. What they actually got was Jay Cutler. Derek Anderson is a pro bowl QB - just never was a competent starting QB. Ty Law went to the pro bowl in 2005 after limping through a season that cost Herm his job in NY. Then he followed Herm to KC where he remained in obscurity until Herm again lost his job... Tom Brady wasn't a pro bowl QB in 2003...but he was the Superbowl MVP...in fact that was the year when asked if it bothered him he told Felger he didn't give a F about pro bowls because he was going to the HOF...

Mankins went to the pro bowl in 2007 based on the TD season for the ages Brady and Moss turned in. He went in 2008 because he had leftover name recognition (and as one pundit observed it wasn't a very good season for guards...).

Wilfork went to 2 probowls during his rookie deal. AD went to two pro bowls before coming here on his own 5 year $35M deal...meant nothing. Rodney Harrison only ever went to two pro bowls in his career, neither of which was during his tenure on the team for which his play was crucial in winning two rings...

JMarr said:

He already went somewhat ballistic a month or two ago when he said he was so mad he couldn't see straight. Assuming the Patriots' current offer was less than Mankins reasonably was led to believe (by whomever) that he was worth, or structured so that he was going to get less in bonuses, I wonder if that had anything to do with it.

Either way, he has effed himself (two times now) by going public like this. If they do in fact end up trading him to a team willing to commit high draft picks as well as more money than is being offered [given that there's total uncertainty about a lockout in 2011] then I'll stand corrected.

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Mankins is gone. By going ballistic throughout and blowing off his tender to buy negotiating time while other contracts get worked out, he's defying BB and that never works. Last season, Vince aired similar complaints, signed his chicken tender and wound up with a solid guarantee and the respect of everyone involved. Bub-Bye, Logan. Let's hope the Pats get somebody good and another #1 for next year in return. Maybe BB can get all the 1st rounders in the first rookie cap year.

Mankins is not worth 8M of the cap per year. The problem is that there's nobody to replace him... yet. I think we force him to play for the tender or let him sit for the year. With 2011 looming as a possible strike year, Mankins would be shooting himself in the foot by being out of the game for 1-2 seasons and making no money during that time either.

No friggin way. He's our best OG (when Neal is hurt), but I don't see him being worth 8 million a year. We're a passing team and we don't need high end guards to play in the scheme we play in. If we were a running team, like the Jets or Vikings, then I could see why we pay high salary for OGs. In our scheme, we just need someone who's strong enough to prevent an inside push. (I think largely that's the reason why Kaczur's an ideal replacement for Mankins).