Tom Brady talk around the media

mgteich said:

You all act as if there is no important difference between being in the same area as your family (or a 2 hour or so ride) and being accross the country from your family. You also seem to think that a player shouldn't care where he lives.

The reality is that Brady's family and children live on the West Coast, within a short plan ride after a game from anywhere from Dallas west. Also, there is no reason to believe that Brady prefers living in warm sunny Boston.

No one knows if a deal will be struck to keep Brady here for another 5-6 years, or even whether he will play that long. But this is an open issue. it would take a lot to keep Brady here past 2011.

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Why do people persist in stating that Brady's family and CHILDREN live on the west coast? Ben was born here. Gisele lived here or in NY in season for the last two seasons. She's from Brazil and her entire family remains there and she vacated CA and headed east with NY as her primary North American base of operations when she split with Leonardo. Tom's parents and sisters have homes here (not sure his sisters own homes other than the ones he furhisned them with here...).

Football players don't get to zip home inbetween games, they travel together to and from games and get treatment and breakdown film the day after they return. Tuesday is their day off. Few spend that day in transit. Most player families live in two locations if they can afford to. Some kids attend school here - Rosie's did - while others are only here for the summer. Troy Brown's family never did live here because his wife had a career and a 9-5 job in SC they were never willing or comfortable for her to forego. Yet he retired a Patriot...go figure. Families often travel here for the weekends to visit or to nearby road sites to visit and watch the game. Families with children pre school age or less tend to be in residence here until the season ends. Because unlike in other sports players are only on the road for 48 hours 8 weeks a season. Once the kids reach school age decisions are made, often based on post career projections.

As for it taking a LOT to keep him here past 2011...Two things drive most player decisions...money and opportunity. Brady is on record stating that a million more in his tax bracket doesn't amount to a heck of a lot of incentive on his part. And he said that before he married a millionairess in her own right. He values opportunity and no west coast team is in position to offer him anywhere near that here. The relationship he has with Belichick and Kraft, based on longstanding mutual respect, empowers the competitor in him in a way ownership/coaching tandems in Oakland, San Francisco or even SD would be hard pressed to approach. Ditto Texas, AZ, Seattle...and most any other relatively commuter friendly NFL location those convinced he must long for change can proffer.

Brady has two overriding reasons to choose to remain here. You could call them comfort level and legacy investment. You think he's itching to play in Hue Jackson's offense for Tom Cable and Al Davis?? Would relish the opportunity to play for the 49ers 7th OC in 8 seasons, an immortal like Jimmy Raye and second year emotional HC Mike Singletary and the faceless York ownership?? Would he be jacked and pumped to play for Paul Allen and Pete Carroll in Seattle?? Please, just stop.

KontradictioN said:

Some more food for thought, then I'm most likely going to leave this alone afterward. Albeit, this quote is a little older, but it still has some relevance. From January 25, 2010...



BostonHerald.com - Blogs: Rap Sheet Blog Archive Tom Brady talks Pats, contract, Super Bowl at charity event

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Come on, what else is he going to say? 99.9% of players say the same thing, that they want to stay and they love the city :blahblah::blahblah::blahblah::blahblah:

You have to take what he says with a grain of salt.

I'd be absolutely shocked if the Pats don't sign him to long term deal before he becomes a free agent in 2011. In my opinion, he will bounce back and prove why he is still the best QB in the game over the media favorites Peyton Manning and Drew Brees. In the end, I expect the Pats to make him the highest paid player in the NFL (as he should be).

I'm not sure if I read it correctly but I believe Deus Irae wrote that the new CBA will eliminate the franchise tag. If so, it's a good move as it's a cheap way for teams to retain players that don't even want to be there.

So lets say the new CBA eliminates the franchise tag and the Pats let Brady become a FA. Not only would that be the worst move in Patriots history, but I wouldn't be shocked to see him bolt for the up and coming 49ers. They are one of those teams that are a QB away from competing. And they have a lot of money to spend.

HEY BRO! WHAT UP? said:

Come on, what else is he going to say? 99.9% of players say the same thing, that they want to stay and they love the city :blahblah::blahblah::blahblah::blahblah:

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He didn't have to call it "home" for example. Most players say they just want to get a contract done. Not a lot of them call the city in which they weren't born in "home".

You have to take what he says with a grain of salt.

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Why? Has Brady suddenly become a pathological liar?

I'd be absolutely shocked if the Pats don't sign him to long term deal before he becomes a free agent in 2011. In my opinion, he will bounce back and prove why he is still the best QB in the game over the media favorites Peyton Manning and Drew Brees. In the end, I expect the Pats to make him the highest paid player in the NFL (as he should be).

I'm not sure if I read it correctly but I believe Deus Irae wrote that the new CBA will eliminate the franchise tag. If so, it's a good move as it's a cheap way for teams to retain players that don't even want to be there.

So lets say the new CBA eliminates the franchise tag and the Pats let Brady become a FA. Not only would that be the worst move in Patriots history, but I wouldn't be shocked to see him bolt for the up and coming 49ers. They are one of those teams that are a QB away from competing. And they have a lot of money to spend.

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The Patriots still have a year to work out the terms with Brady. Thats a long time from now. Remember the panic over Wilfork? What happened there? The Colts also have the same amount of time to work something out with Manning, yet I don't see people on Colts forums freaking out about that the way people here are. I guess it's mission accomplished for Silver and his half assed article.

No way do they let Brady walk. After everything he has done, and meant to this team, the area, and the fan base they wouldn't just be shooting themselves in the foot they would be be dropping an a-bomb on it.

Brady isn't going anywhere, and I'm glad for that. I hope to see him play out another big contract and retire when he is ready to, and in the meantime maybe we can find someone who can replace him to some extent.

HEY BRO! WHAT UP? said:

Come on, what else is he going to say? 99.9% of players say the same thing, that they want to stay and they love the city :blahblah::blahblah::blahblah::blahblah:

You have to take what he says with a grain of salt.

I'd be absolutely shocked if the Pats don't sign him to long term deal before he becomes a free agent in 2011. In my opinion, he will bounce back and prove why he is still the best QB in the game over the media favorites Peyton Manning and Drew Brees. In the end, I expect the Pats to make him the highest paid player in the NFL (as he should be).

I'm not sure if I read it correctly but I believe Deus Irae wrote that the new CBA will eliminate the franchise tag. If so, it's a good move as it's a cheap way for teams to retain players that don't even want to be there.

So lets say the new CBA eliminates the franchise tag and the Pats let Brady become a FA. Not only would that be the worst move in Patriots history, but I wouldn't be shocked to see him bolt for the up and coming 49ers. They are one of those teams that are a QB away from competing. And they have a lot of money to spend.

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If Deus wrote that he misspoke. Owners will not let the tag go lightly, and the union frankly isn't all that motivated to trade something they've always valued more ($$) for it's exclusion. If the league plays without a CBA it will most certainly remain because ownerships last best offer will become the defacto CBA. In fact if Polian mentioning it's potential use again in a similar fashion he used it last time around on Manning (as well as Freeney) when his rookie deal ran out isn't indicative of the status quo remaining from a FO perspective, I don't know what is. And while Florio keeps wimpering that it won't prevent teams from making the requisite two first round offer, he is guilty of disremembering there is an exclusive tag which is the one you use if you don't want that to be possible...

MoLewisrocks said:

If Deus wrote that he misspoke. Owners will not let the tag go lightly, and the union frankly isn't all that motivated to trade something they've always valued more ($$) for it's exclusion.

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You must be responding to someone I've got on ignore, because I can't see what I'm claimed to have written. However, since your words involve letting the tag go, here's what I've said about that in recent days:

,,,Frankly, I won't really worry about it even if it turns out the be true. There's no way in hell that the owners will sign a new CBA that doesn't keep some method of 'franchising' top players for at least a season or two in order to ease into a new system, so Brady's not going anywhere no matter how disconnected he might feel. Teams just won't allow a Brady or Manning to be lost in that manner....

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http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/343693-si-today-disconnect-between-pats-brady.html#post1835349

Ok, here's a basic scenario:

I'm on record as expecting Brady back one way or another, because I think the teams will want some way to keep the tag at least for the first year or two of a new CBA, but here's a what if....

New CBA, without franchise tags....

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http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/343962-tom-brady-talk-around-media.html#post1837507

So, whatever it was that I was being cited about, I hope that clears things up.

Only John lives in Cali. Gisele and Ben lives with Tom in Boston and they live there where Tom has his work. Gisele lives since 2007 in Boston and is /was only for work in NYC

Deus Irae said:

You must be responding to someone I've got on ignore, because I can't see what I'm claimed to have written. However, since your words involve letting the tag go, here's what I've said about that in recent days:



http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/343693-si-today-disconnect-between-pats-brady.html#post1835349



http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/343962-tom-brady-talk-around-media.html#post1837507

So, whatever it was that I was being cited about, I hope that clears things up.

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Yup, What Up? aka TheArchives only read the what if section of that post. The problem with posting those is reading comprehension hereabouts is minimal.

MoLewisrocks said:

Why do people persist in stating that Brady's family and CHILDREN live on the west coast? Ben was born here. Gisele lived here or in NY in season for the last two seasons. She's from Brazil and her entire family remains there and she vacated CA and headed east with NY as her primary North American base of operations when she split with Leonardo. Tom's parents and sisters have homes here (not sure his sisters own homes other than the ones he furhisned them with here...).

Football players don't get to zip home inbetween games, they travel together to and from games and get treatment and breakdown film the day after they return. Tuesday is their day off. Few spend that day in transit. Most player families live in two locations if they can afford to. Some kids attend school here - Rosie's did - while others are only here for the summer. Troy Brown's family never did live here because his wife had a career and a 9-5 job in SC they were never willing or comfortable for her to forego. Yet he retired a Patriot...go figure. Families often travel here for the weekends to visit or to nearby road sites to visit and watch the game. Families with children pre school age or less tend to be in residence here until the season ends. Because unlike in other sports players are only on the road for 48 hours 8 weeks a season. Once the kids reach school age decisions are made, often based on post career projections.

As for it taking a LOT to keep him here past 2011...Two things drive most player decisions...money and opportunity. Brady is on record stating that a million more in his tax bracket doesn't amount to a heck of a lot of incentive on his part. And he said that before he married a millionairess in her own right. He values opportunity and no west coast team is in position to offer him anywhere near that here. The relationship he has with Belichick and Kraft, based on longstanding mutual respect, empowers the competitor in him in a way ownership/coaching tandems in Oakland, San Francisco or even SD would be hard pressed to approach. Ditto Texas, AZ, Seattle...and most any other relatively commuter friendly NFL location those convinced he must long for change can proffer.

Brady has two overriding reasons to choose to remain here. You could call them comfort level and legacy investment. You think he's itching to play in Hue Jackson's offense for Tom Cable and Al Davis?? Would relish the opportunity to play for the 49ers 7th OC in 8 seasons, an immortal like Jimmy Raye and second year emotional HC Mike Singletary and the faceless York ownership?? Would he be jacked and pumped to play for Paul Allen and Pete Carroll in Seattle?? Please, just stop.

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Well written. Couldn't have put it better.

KontradictioN said:

I can't believe you guys seriously don't think a deal will get done with Brady.

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You're taking these bloviators seriously?

KontradictioN said:

LMAO. What points have you made here, Wolfpack?

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That the possibility exists that Tom Brady may not want to stay in New Enlgand past his current contract.

KontradictioN said:

I've asked you a couple of times to furnish evidence of why you believe the Gisele (who has spent more time in New York than anywhere else in recent years) seriously wants Brady to play in California.

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And can you provide any evidence she wants him to stay in New England? What's that? No, you can't? So I guess, according to your own logic, you're talking out of your ass as well.

It's hilarious how you people are all over me saying I have no idea what Tom and Gisele want but then you turn around and act like you do know what Tom and Gisele want.

I gladly admit I am just speculating about what Tom and Gisele may want from their future, but you refuse to admit you are speculating just as much.

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Now, once again, please show some sort of factual evidence that Gisele wants Brady to play in California. If you can't do that, then show me some sort of factual evidence that Brady himself wants to play in California. If you can't do that either, then your more than welcome to leave the thread. You've stated your opinion and it's known.

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I'll show you my factual evidence that Gisele wants Tom out west right after you show me your factual evidence that she wants him to stay in New England.

HEY BRO! WHAT UP? said:

Come on, what else is he going to say? 99.9% of players say the same thing, that they want to stay and they love the city :blahblah::blahblah::blahblah::blahblah:

You have to take what he says with a grain of salt.

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+1. Unfortunately in this thread, an athlete giving the same old "I love this city!" cliched speech we've heard from countless athletes through the years is considered solid evidence, but a $20 million mansion is not.

This thread could be epic if there was less censorship on the board. There is post after post where you can feel the underlying bleeps that are taking place. It should be used as exhibit "A" for why this site needs an 'adult' forum for talking Patriots football.

Wolfpack said:

That the possibility exists that Tom Brady may not want to stay in New Enlgand past his current contract.
And can you provide any evidence she wants him to stay in New England? What's that? No, you can't? So I guess, according to your own logic, you're talking out of your ass as well.

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I've not been the one implying that Brady will go where she wants him to go. You have. As a matter of fact, I had not once brought her name up in any of my posts in this thread or any other thread regarding this subject until you did. Even then, I only said they would talk about it as a couple. You've been the one implying the entire time that the wife and child factor will, in effect, make his decision for him...

There's also a pretty big pair of "differences" from last time, namely a wife and child that are both based out west - not to mention a $30 million mansion.

Actually, they're both based in Boston during the football season.

See, this is the idea that scares the living crap out of me. I think Gisele does indeed "wear the pants" in that marriage. And what would you think she thinks about her husband's career? You think she wants him to stay in New England? Or move out west?

Oh right, this was a joke. What a knee slapper that one was!

Now let's contrast this with my first couple of posts...

This is usually the time every offseason when the media speculates on some disharmony between Brady and the Pats. It's like clockwork.

I can't believe you guys seriously don't think a deal will get done with Brady. I remember there being the same negative attitude when Wilfork wasn't getting his deal earlier in the offseason. A Brady deal will get done. The only reason there is this much speculation is because the Pats don't talk about this stuff in the media. Really, they have created this own monster (though I highly doubt they care very much).

Hell, even in my first post toward you, I still hadn't brought her name into it. Really, you should be asking me to furnish evidence amid speculation that indicates to me that Brady wants to stay in Foxboro, and I have.

It's hilarious how you people are all over me saying I have no idea what Tom and Gisele want but then you turn around and act like you do know what Tom and Gisele want.

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Please show me where I claimed to know precisely what Brady wants out of this. Because, to my knowledge, I haven't. What I've done is taken quotes from Brady and Kraft as well as history and I've formulated a well reasoned opinion that states that I think Brady will be a Patriot after 2011. You've not used any quotes nor have you put the least bit of work behind your opinion besides the fact that they own a house in California. To which point I've also brought up the fact that they own homes in New York in Boston as well.

I gladly admit I am just speculating about what Tom and Gisele may want from their future, but you refuse to admit you are speculating just as much. I'll show you my factual evidence that Gisele wants Tom out west right after you show me your factual evidence that she wants him to stay in New England.

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Really? This doesn't look like speculation...

Patriots better do something and they better do something soon - and stop using the CBA as a bullcrap excuse. Any impartial observer viewing the situation (and not drinking the kool-aid) sees a quarterback who has already got one foot out the door.

Yeah I know there's no team in LA but there are an awful lot of NFL cities much close to LA than Foxboro.

It looks like you're fully convinced that Brady will not be in Foxboro after this year. It also looks like you believe that anybody who thinks Brady will stay a Patriot after 2010 is a full on "Kool-Aid drinker" and is not an impartial observer. Well done. You've buried yourself with your own words more than I ever could.

Wolfpack said:

+1. Unfortunately in this thread, an athlete giving the same old "I love this city!" cliched speech we've heard from countless athletes through the years is considered solid evidence, but a $20 million mansion is not.

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And what of the homes in Boston (the city they live in during the season) and New York? Oh, that's right. I completely forgot that you keep dodging these questions. Apparently, millionaire athletes typically have multiple homes. This is the case with Brady.

Once again, you can't base an opinion that our quarterback has "one foot out the door" on the fact that he owns a home in California. It's faulty logic.

KontradictioN said:

Oh right, this was a joke. What a knee slapper that one was!

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The fact that you just can't let it go is pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.

KontradictioN said:

It looks like you're fully convinced that Brady will not be in Foxboro after this year.

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What part of "I give it a 67% chance he stays, 33% chance he leaves" did you not understand? Seriously, is it that you don't know what the % symbol means? Is it some basic inability to comprehend fractions and/or percentages? I can help explain what percentages mean if you would like.

For someone who spends an awful lot of time quoting my posts, you sure don't seem to be doing terribly well understanding them. Now I am sure since you have absolutely no intelligent comeback whatsoever, you'll just bring up the old "wears the pants" comment again.

Wolfpack said:

The fact that you just can't let it go is pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.
What part of "I give it a 67% chance he stays, 33% chance he leaves" did you not understand? Seriously, is it that you don't know what the % symbol means? Is it some basic inability to comprehend fractions and/or percentages? I can help explain what percentages mean if you would like.

For someone who spends an awful lot of time quoting my posts, you sure don't seem to be doing terribly well understanding them. Now I am sure since you have absolutely no intelligent comeback whatsoever, you'll just bring up the old "wears the pants" comment again.

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The thing is that I don't believe for a second that you truly think that. Otherwise, it makes no sense whatsoever to say that you, a so-called "impartial observer" and non-Kool Aid drinker, see a quarterback with one foot out the door. Again, it's painfully obvious that you're backtracking and have been since page two of this thread.

Speaking of intelligent comebacks, what happened here? For someone who complains about ad hominem the way you have, you sure seem to be exercising it in this post an awful lot. But please, keep responding. Every new backtrack that you're responsible for gets more and more hilarious.

IMO...If there were any chance at losing Brady, i'd think we'd have more in the coffers than Hoyer and Robinson (no offense to Zac and Brian). I would think the brain trust would've at least spent a 2nd day pick on a QB. I mean TB, BB and Kraft probably talk to each other quite a bit, and Tom has been treated well here. At the very least, if he wanted to leave, he'd give Kraft a heads up, and let them plan accordingly. Then again, I could be naive...wouldn't be the first time

I think Brady signs one more big contract and finishes his HOF career at the helm of the Pats. I certainly don't see a Favre situation happening either.

From the April Vogue article for which she interviewed in late January 2010. I doubt Wolfie read this. Building a $20M mansion in LA may sound like a life altering committment to him. Gisele personally donated $1.5M to Haiti relief. Several of her most recent business ventures were undertaken strictly support environmental and educational charities. She runs most of them via web.

Gisele Bundchen Brady... said:

Her idea of family is a big family. "I'm so lucky to have my little munchkin, and I have two because I also have John." John, a.k.a. Jack, is her stepson, now two and a half, born to Bridget Moynahan after Moynahan's breakup with Tom Brady. The press went wild last year when Gisele said she loved Jack as her own. He spent the end of the Christmas holiday with them. "We don't see him all the time, unfortunately, but we're building a place in Los Angeles to be closer to him." For the last three years, she's vanished with Brady each winter for a month into her house in the jungle in Costa Rica.

At 29, the last and richest of the supermodels has given in to her preference for the inner life. Gisele has sold her New York town house. "I'm really a Bostonian now," she says, with all the sober, studious implications of that move: "I get to work on all my projects and have time to immerse myself in all the things I'm so passionate about."

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Gisele Bundchen Brady... said:

"I've worked for fourteen years, but I don't think anybody in the business really knows me, because there is that other person."

Gisele Bündchen's private life has kept its mystery, and she's let her avatar, the übermodel, take all the flashbulbs. Some years ago, when she felt that her life was nothing more than "get up, take pictures, go to sleep, get up, take pictures," she took off six months. She also logged on to Amazon.com and typed in SPIRITUAL BOOKS, which led to a passion for the writings of Miguel Ruiz, which taught her to rely on her own instinct: "The more you trust your intuition, the more empowered you become, the stronger you become, and the happier you become."

Three years ago, when Gisele met Tom Brady, she moved up to Boston to be with him. It was a vocational as well as an emotional turning point.

"I'm a person who normally works 300 days a year, and here I am in Boston in this apartment and Tom's playing, and what do I do here? On my Web site, a lot of girls were asking me questions about feeling awkward. I wanted to work with girls who were fourteen to sixteen."

There are two secrets, says Gisele on parting:

"The first is wake up in the morning and be grateful you are here, alive and healthy. And the second is: Give."

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In the same article they quoted her hubbeeeee as the pants wearer refers to him returning from his trip that day to a Boston charity event. "We're all way overpaid...".