Patrick Chung? Expectations/Analysis

I won't mind having his Oregon teammate J. Byrd.
A sage once said a smart man makes the complex easy and a silly man makes the easy complex; the way BB does 3-4, every freaking thing is complex and takes forever to learn. Players have to be molded and re-taught and very few can fit his profile to begin with. Gosh.

jays52 said:

On Chung: "When someone is that tallented and works as hard as he does, it's only a matter of time before he becomes great" -BB sometime mid to late season 2009

In my eyes, Chung is going to become an elite 34 SS. He has exceptional fluidity, understands angles, has good fundamental man technique, and has exceptional closing burst to compliment his excellent pop. Obviously, all of the physical tools are there.

When I see it written that he drops for pushups after bad reps, was a 19 year old vocal leader in college, adresses media members as "Sir" and "Ma'am", and is amongst the hardest workers on the team; I know he is going to get it as a soph.

Expect great things from Chung in 2010 and beyond. The kid is going to be special.

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bigfandan said:

I won't mind having his Oregon teammate J. Byrd.
A sage once said a smart man makes the complex easy and a silly man makes the easy complex; the way BB does 3-4, every freaking thing is complex and takes forever to learn. Players have to be molded and re-taught and very few can fit his profile to begin with. Gosh.

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To be fair teams that run vanilla schemes; while their rookies put up pro bowl stats right away, they tend to get exposed routinely in the playoffs because they're easy to scheme against (see Chargers, Cowboys).

Imo when Chung slows down his game a little bit he will be incredible. He is so fast but he reacts too quickly and makes mistakes as a result. Just slow that down a little and he will be a star.

eagle eye said:

Imo when Chung slows down his game a little bit he will be incredible. He is so fast but he reacts too quickly and makes mistakes as a result. Just slow that down a little and he will be a star.

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he did seem a little over anxious in spots.

STUB STUB said:

can't. cover.

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Pat Chung is not a coverage SS. That is no his MO.

His MO is to blitz, sit in passing lanes, cover a TE, maybe the 4th receiver and chew up ballcarriers and spit them out.

He needs to learn the coverages and the defense. That's his biggest challenge (not that he is incapable).

PatsFanInVa said:

I wish to add absolutely nothing to this thread by asserting that Pat Chung is not allowed to run full speed because it would double (or halt, depending on the side of the field,) the Earth's rotation, causing time to pass too quickly or to halt entirely, and screwing up growing seasons.

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Tell me about it. My flight across the Atlantic was delayed four hours and I missed my connection in Amsterdam just because Pat Chung's digestive system was out of order.

jays52 said:

On Chung: "When someone is that tallented and works as hard as he does, it's only a matter of time before he becomes great" -BB sometime mid to late season 2009

In my eyes, Chung is going to become an elite 34 SS. He has exceptional fluidity, understands angles, has good fundamental man technique, and has exceptional closing burst to compliment his excellent pop. Obviously, all of the physical tools are there.

When I see it written that he drops for pushups after bad reps, was a 19 year old vocal leader in college, adresses media members as "Sir" and "Ma'am", and is amongst the hardest workers on the team; I know he is going to get it as a soph.

Expect great things from Chung in 2010 and beyond. The kid is going to be special.

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I'm incredibly encouraged to read this.

From the little I saw, Chung seemed to be scampering around without making the kind of forceful hits that a top SS does. If he makes the kind of transition you expect, it could transform the Patriots defense. And, as you say, he's the kind of young man you want to succeed.

At this point all Pat needs is snaps. He will make a leap this season. He probably just spent January through April training to be a better football player for our Patriots. Last year that same period was spent preparing for the draft, traveling nonstop, answering the same interview questions. Then he had to come in here actually play. You could say the same thing about the other guys drafted in the top 100. The difference is that Pat wants it more. That's what we hear at least and I believe it.

Pat was used in the same fashion in 2009 as Meriweather in 2007. Brandon received more snaps because, as a rookie, he was better at coverage and there were more garbage time snaps to be had. Pat first played during the Titan and Buc beatdowns that had plenty of garbage time. They both played about 2/3rds coverage 1/3 run and a handful of blitzes. Pat tallied 2 sacks on 6 total rushes. That's impressive and a little lucky. I think Pat will play at least half the defensive snaps this season.

The reason Brandon started playing fulltime midway through 2008 was because Rodney went down. He was playing 60% of the defensive snaps until after the Broncos game. From then on he played every snap. There is now more depth ahead of Pat with McGowen and Sanders than in 2008. Those two are not all that good in the passing game though. All Pat has to do is get better at coverage and communication and he will pass them both. They will give him plenty of opportunities to win the job. I think he will.

bigfandan said:

I won't mind having his Oregon teammate J. Byrd.
A sage once said a smart man makes the complex easy and a silly man makes the easy complex; the way BB does 3-4, every freaking thing is complex and takes forever to learn. Players have to be molded and re-taught and very few can fit his profile to begin with. Gosh.

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I love this, crap.

The Pat's system is just sooo complicated. Tell me why this is so? What is another system that is very complicated? Why is ours more complicated?

It's a built in excuse for rookies who don't play well.

If you have the athletic ability of most of these guys, poor NFL performance is often times due to lack of effort, lack of experience, or poor study habits. Most of our draftees do well on the wonderlick and should be able to learn our scheme. It's not rocket science.

Chung strongly reminds me of Rodney Harrison, except faster. If he improves his mental game, he could be one of our biggest playmakers on defense. This guy had 2 sacks and 2 picks last year despite only playing 20% of the defense's snaps.

mgteich said:

I see Chung as a great special teamer. This is what I said when we drafted him. I was roundly criticized. Well, I didn't seen him as a future probowl candidate then or now.

As a safety, I don't see him starting. Sanders is the captain of the secondary and calls signals. Chung is a developing safety, with a long way to go.

I hope that there is not such a dropoff when he is needed at safety (as a result of injury).

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Describe what you mean by a long way to go.

TheComeback said:

Chung strongly reminds me of Rodney Harrison, except faster. If he improves his mental game, he could be one of our biggest playmakers on defense. This guy had 2 sacks and 2 picks last year despite only playing 20% of the defense's snaps.

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They both have the intangibles needed to make it work; however what separates Rodney from Chung at this point (by a great distance) was Rodney's nose for the developing play, and his ability to think like a QB and anticipate ball movement. I don't think I have seen another safety who timed his hits so well. He changed how people went up or across the middle.

Chung has all the tools necessary and the work ethic to compliment it. The rest, however, isn't easily taught and requires intuition and instinct which either comes through talent or a lot of hard work and long hours in the video room.

I for one, am eagerly looking forward to Chung's soph season. I loved that nasty hit he planted on Henne last season. It had a lot of pop and zip to it- great finish and follow through.

I think Chung is a binky for many. Many would like to see Pryor start. Many think of Edelman as a starter and a future all-pro. Many think of Butler a solid starter. And many think of Chung as a clear starter or at least want him to start. Have I left anyone out? Oh yeah, some would start Green-Ellis.

Obviously, there are also those who have given starting (future probowl) assessments to one or more of our non-TE 2010 rookies.

STUB STUB said:

can't. cover.

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Good insight!!

When I really noticed this kid it was the Senior bowl practices last year and the announcers were saying how he "can't cover". Well just to show his character he was the first in line in all one on ones and looked pretty fluid to me and had enough speed to run long with WR's. Everyone is looking for that safety who can keep teams in there base and cover the # 3 receiver but that guy is hard to find. I do not see him here yet but I think we play better out of our nickle 4-2 and think it is a great sub package for us plus we have a first round corner to add to the mix. I really think Chung will be used as a ST to start this year and work his way into the lineup as BB will use his talents to the defense's favor.....maybe he can play OLB

Patspsycho said:

They both have the intangibles needed to make it work; however what separates Rodney from Chung at this point (by a great distance) was Rodney's nose for the developing play, and his ability to think like a QB and anticipate ball movement. I don't think I have seen another safety who timed his hits so well. He changed how people went up or across the middle.

Chung has all the tools necessary and the work ethic to compliment it. The rest, however, isn't easily taught and requires intuition and instinct which either comes through talent or a lot of hard work and long hours in the video room.

I for one, am eagerly looking forward to Chung's soph season. I loved that nasty hit he planted on Henne last season. It had a lot of pop and zip to it- great finish and follow through.

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I know it is easy to try to compare him to Rodney (myself included) but we have to give him a break as he is only entering his second season. You make some great points but when we were watching Rodney play it was his 9th year in the league and had a ton of experience. It is too bad that Rodney could not have stuck around an extra year to help with his development.

CanadianPat'sFan said:

I know it is easy to try to compare him to Rodney (myself included) but we have to give him a break as he is only entering his second season. You make some great points but when we were watching Rodney play it was his 9th year in the league and had a ton of experience. It is too bad that Rodney could not have stuck around an extra year to help with his development.

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I am not comparing them.

CanadianPat'sFan said:

Good insight!!

When I really noticed this kid it was the Senior bowl practices last year and the announcers were saying how he "can't cover". Well just to show his character he was the first in line in all one on ones and looked pretty fluid to me and had enough speed to run long with WR's. Everyone is looking for that safety who can keep teams in there base and cover the # 3 receiver but that guy is hard to find. I do not see him here yet but I think we play better out of our nickle 4-2 and think it is a great sub package for us plus we have a first round corner to add to the mix. I really think Chung will be used as a ST to start this year and work his way into the lineup as BB will use his talents to the defense's favor.....maybe he can play OLB

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Rodney wasn't known for his coverage skills either.

Patspsycho said:

I am not comparing them.

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I was agreeing with your post but the "you" in the second sentence of my post was ment for comeback who you quoted initially sorry. Nice day on the east coast and having some beer's which makes me careless at times:eat2:

here is my take on Patrick Chung, he did not show a nuff for me in he's rookie season to think that he will go from the #4 safety to a starter in season two.




i see him as a good ST player who will play mostly on runing downs and as a blitzer on 3rd and long, right now i don't think he has what it takes to cover the top TE's in the NFL or good pass catching RB's like ray rice, and ronnie brown,

CanadianPat'sFan said:

I know it is easy to try to compare him to Rodney (myself included) but we have to give him a break as he is only entering his second season. You make some great points but when we were watching Rodney play it was his 9th year in the league and had a ton of experience. It is too bad that Rodney could not have stuck around an extra year to help with his development.

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I second this thought in spades................... It is really is unfortunate Rodney didn't have another year in him.

Wheelssps said:

With a compass in the stock?

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You'll put your eye out, kid.