Mankins 'So Mad He Can't See Straight'

tanked_as_usual · May 18, 2010

MoLewisrocks said:
The Pats are roughly $15M or less below what the cap likely would have been this season prior to signing any of their draftees and with the changes ownership will demand in a new CBA it's likely the cap will be relatively stagnant if there is one in 2011 and it will not grow at the same exponential rate going forward that it did between 2006-2009. Account for the draftees and the usual $5M or so in emergency signing money and the aren't very far off the cap this season. And that's with Brady, Mankins, Gostkowski to be signed sometime this season and several players to be re-signed or replaced next season including Moss, Light, an entire RB unit, Guyton, etc.

But it's a waste of time pointing any of that out to you because you don't care, you're just content to peek into threads and find an opportunity to spew your nonsensical crap.

blah blah blah.....the pats are currently at 114M with 90 players signed and a continued CBA would have had the cap at 132M (and this includes the salaries of flotsam like springs, taylor, and they already have a replacement for light in vollmer, and a replacement for guyton in spikes although I think guyton will come back for reasonable money)....they are currently at approximately 85-90M for the 2011 season. do the math .....the pats managed to win 3 SB's with a WR group that made less than Moss makes now, and have won zero with the inflated WR payroll they currently have. a

use your head instead of trying so hard to surpass my 'nonsensical crap'

bottom line is that mankins is a probowler and if you think the path to success includes letting him walk and replacing him with a rookie, so be it....I can't stop you from thinking that way

tanked_as_usual · May 18, 2010

KontradictioN said:
Stephen Neal's body has showed clear signs of breakdown due to either age and/or injury and is on a one year contract with the team. He was hinting at retirement last year after the Baltimore game. Koppen isn't far behind him and lord knows what will happen with Matt Light next year, though we already have his replacement in Vollmer. At LEAST one of these guys won't be with the team in two years. My bet is on Neal, being that he's the oldest guy on the O-Line. This is especially if he goes through a similar rash of injuries again this season. If Neal goes and we don't use a high end draft pick on a promising O-Line prospect, then we're looking at replacing him with Connolly (Brady = dead), Ohrnberger (who really hasn't shown anything at this point), or Bussey (a complete unknown).

Furthermore, he last time any of these guys were Pro Bowlers was in 2007. Three long years ago.

actually, you are wrong.....mankins was a probowler last year (2009), and a starter at that......just sayin'

mankins is the only OL to have played and started every game the last 5 years....just sayin'

I don't believe neal was ever a probowler......yes, replacing neal is a priority, but having to replace both OG's would be a huge problem

Kontradiction · May 18, 2010

tanked_as_usual said:
actually, you are wrong.....mankins was a probowler last year (2009), and a starter at that......just sayin'

mankins is the only OL to have played and started every game the last 5 years....just sayin'

I don't believe neal was ever a probowler......yes, replacing neal is a priority, but having to replace both OG's would be a huge problem

I've said time and time again that Mankins is the best on our O-Line right now. It should logically follow that my post wasn't referring to him. My post is specifically referring to Neal and Koppen. As for the Pro Bowlers, I was referring to the 2007 season when Light, Mankins, and Koppen (as a reserve) were in the Pro Bowl.

crowell33 · May 18, 2010

Age 28 plays for the $3.6
Age 29 plays for the franchise
Age 30 gone as UFA

Spiral · May 18, 2010

crowell33 said:
Age 28 plays for the $3.6
Age 29 plays for the franchise
Age 30 gone as UFA

Unlike the d-line, where there are separate franchise numbers for DT and DE, there is only one franchise number for o-line, and that's $10.7M in 2010. I don't see the Patriots paying him the $11M+ to franchise him in 2011. If they were willing to pay him nearly $15M for the next two years, they would probably have already signed him to a long-term deal.

Spiral · May 18, 2010

The unfortunate part for Mankins is that having him play for $3.6M in 2010 is such a good deal for the Patriots, there's little incentive for them to sign him, unless he is willing to take a significant discount. At this point, the best value-based strategy may be to let him play for $3.6M in 2010, then let him walk.

Lockdown24 · May 18, 2010

wait a sec. i thought the pats were such an awesome organization to play for that everyone is willing to give them a hometown discount...

wait until brady is ready to redo his deal, he's really gonna bend them over the table...

Joker · May 18, 2010

why didn't he ALREADY do that?|

you're an idiot..of course Jet fan assumes you MUST be an idiot.

We talk about the Pats the way we do because we have actually won Super Bowls and been to them and the playoffs the past 41 years. YOU?...you log on a Patriots board and blab up that YOU are Mr.Great Know-It-All ostensibly because you seem to be a Revis jock sniffer. I suggest you type 'NFL All Time Draft Busts" or "NFL Top Three Worst Organizations" to get some historical perspective.

Kontradiction · May 18, 2010

Lockdown24 said:
wait a sec. i thought the pats were such an awesome organization to play for that everyone is willing to give them a hometown discount...

wait until brady is ready to redo his deal, he's really gonna bend them over the table...

While I'm sure Brady will be handsomly rewarded for his efforts, I highly doubt he's going to "bend them over the table". He didn't do it before. Why would he do it now?

Peachhead · May 18, 2010

Exhibit #1 of why you don't take a friggin OG in the first round. No matter how good he is, he isn't THAT much better than a guy you could get later. But expects (or his agent expects) to be paid like a 1st rounder.

Sorry Logan, you're good, but not millions of $$$ a year better than Neal (IMO).

SEA_Pat · May 18, 2010

swheeler23 said:
Kraft is cheap, that is the real reason.

Gawd, make it stop! :bricks:

mgteich · May 19, 2010

There is no board rule against stupidity and ignorance. Obviously Kraft spends within a couple of million of the cap every year.

SEA_Pat said:
Gawd, make it stop! :bricks:

Mankins 'So Mad He Can't See Straight'

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