Mankins 'So Mad He Can't See Straight'

swheeler23 said:

One of the reasons Brady took less on his contract last time was to leave money for other players. If the Patriots let Mankins go,why would Brady give them a discount? Who is more important to a qb than Mankins?Kraft is cheap, that is the real reason.

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Kraft has nothing to do with the negotiations. When will you get that through your thick skull?? The negotiations are being handled by Reese and Caserio. Do they have a budget. Yep. My guess is that they are holding themselves to the salary cap even though it's not in affect.

You can choose to believe that the Kraft's have nothing to do with any negotiations. I suggest that they will definitely be part of the Brady negotiations. You are simply a fool if you believe that the Kraft's did not discuss the Bledsoe negotiations with the personnel folks.

DaBruinz said:

Kraft has nothing to do with the negotiations. When will you get that through your thick skull?? The negotiations are being handled by Reese and Caserio. Do they have a budget. Yep. My guess is that they are holding themselves to the salary cap even though it's not in affect.

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Mankins is good, but he isn't Superman. Everytime I think we can't do without him, I remember Justin Tuck in the SB tossing him behind Tommy. Let's see, is it Fanica, or Fanaca, Faneca----Don't we have 2 #1's next yr?

jczxohn1 said:

Mankins is good, but he isn't Superman. Everytime I think we can't do without him, I remember Justin Tuck in the SB tossing him behind Tommy. Let's see, is it Fanica, or Fanaca, Faneca----Don't we have 2 #1's next yr?

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Yep. At least one of them should be used on O-Line, IMO.

KontradictioN said:

Yep. At least one of them should be used on O-Line, IMO.

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Concur. Bledsoe's tenure should have taught us all the need for a quality O-Line.

LMFAO.....yeah mankins ain't that good.......

mankins belongs on that list of 7-8M guys........you're just a homer and a BB ball-washer if you think otherwise

if deion branch could shoot his way out of town, so can mankins

KontradictioN said:

Yep. At least one of them should be used on O-Line, IMO.

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replacing probowlers with draft picks will land you in the cellar

DaBruinz said:

Kraft has nothing to do with the negotiations. When will you get that through your thick skull?? The negotiations are being handled by Reese and Caserio. Do they have a budget. Yep. My guess is that they are holding themselves to the salary cap even though it's not in affect.

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the pats are currently far below what would have been the cap this year, and are positioned to be far below anything that will be agreed to in the future.....and getting mankins extended would not upset that balance

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Ian's Daily Blog - Tom Curran of Comcast Sports New England reports that on Sunday Patriots owner Robert Kraft said the team is working to get a deal done with guard Logan Mankins, but apparently the two sides are quite far apart. According to Curran Frank Bauer, Mankins’ agent, told him the two sides aren’t even close, and that Mankins [...]

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I wish he had gotten "So MAD he couldn't see straight" during the 2007 SB.....when instead he blocked like Liberace out there...and then the day after the loss was joking about getting his beard cut off by Matt light.....where was that anger then Logan?...this guy needs to shut it...

mgteich said:

You can choose to believe that the Kraft's have nothing to do with any negotiations. I suggest that they will definitely be part of the Brady negotiations. You are simply a fool if you believe that the Kraft's did not discuss the Bledsoe negotiations with the personnel folks.

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That was a long time ago...and things have changed here in the decade since and you know it. Their involvement these days is limited to talking guys up and doing the feel good stroking BB cannot do. They get involved in ownership level decisions on the same level any ownership would, setting an overall operating budget, trading a superstar for draft picks, signing a big ticket FA with baggage, committing to a mega guaranteed deal like your HOF QB requires. The don't sit in on the negotiations or set the parameters for deals within the budget on any deals. They may let Bill know they are willing or unwilling to change that overall budget to get a deal done, but they leave it up to Bill and his FO personnel to decide how the budget will actually be implemented.

tanked_as_usual said:

the pats are currently far below what would have been the cap this year, and are positioned to be far below anything that will be agreed to in the future.....and getting mankins extended would not upset that balance

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The Pats are roughly $15M or less below what the cap likely would have been this season prior to signing any of their draftees and with the changes ownership will demand in a new CBA it's likely the cap will be relatively stagnant if there is one in 2011 and it will not grow at the same exponential rate going forward that it did between 2006-2009. Account for the draftees and the usual $5M or so in emergency signing money and the aren't very far off the cap this season. And that's with Brady, Mankins, Gostkowski to be signed sometime this season and several players to be re-signed or replaced next season including Moss, Light, an entire RB unit, Guyton, etc.

But it's a waste of time pointing any of that out to you because you don't care, you're just content to peek into threads and find an opportunity to spew your nonsensical crap.

mgteich said:

You can choose to believe that the Kraft's have nothing to do with any negotiations. I suggest that they will definitely be part of the Brady negotiations. You are simply a fool if you believe that the Kraft's did not discuss the Bledsoe negotiations with the personnel folks.

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Agreed. Plus, Bob Kraft has already said that they're going to do a deal with Brady, so he's already engaged in the process. The Patriots are not just an "investment" for the Krafts; the team is their business and they run it like their business. He's involved at every step of the way in major payouts, from setting out the parameters that he can live with at the beginning to agreeing on how the cash is paid (let's not forget that it's HIS money and that it's HIS cashflow out of which these checks are written). I also believe that the Krafts, at least through Jonathan, are involved, if only for final signoff, in every deal that is more than "veteran minimum."

tanked_as_usual said:

the pats are currently far below what would have been the cap this year, and are positioned to be far below anything that will be agreed to in the future.....and getting mankins extended would not upset that balance

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... and you of course have factored a certain starting QB's expected $100 million plus contract extension into your cap math?

Or is that something you've just decided to ignore for now.

I know it's strange but the Patriots front office doesn't have the luxury of forgetting about Brady. In fact it wouldn't surprise me if they were quietly working on an extension with him first, content to let Mankins wait and/or consider tagging him.

With a looming lockout, focusing on Brady and letting Mankins wait might not be an unwise decision.

IcyPatriot said:

Word has it that Mankins is throwing junk cars up into dump trucks to stay
in shape for the season. He's also been seen tossing cows.
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Seriously ... he is the kind of veteran every team needs.
Koppen, Neal and Light are on the back nine.
We need his play and leadership for the next 4-5 years.
I'm 99% confident he remains a Patriot.

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I think you're right. The OL is older than average. Mankins and Vollmer are the anchors of the future.

swheeler23 said:

One of the reasons Brady took less on his contract last time was to leave money for other players. If the Patriots let Mankins go,why would Brady give them a discount? Who is more important to a qb than Mankins?Kraft is cheap, that is the real reason.

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Leaving Brady aside, you're just wrong about Kraft. The Pats pay up to the cap as consistently as any team in the league.

Re: Mankins Is So Mad He Can't See Straight?

Patjew said:

The next step in the negotiation is punching Kraft in the nuts.

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No, no. Now it's Kraft's turn to give Mankins' agent a couple of noogies, then they get to the nut punching. You gotta read the handbook!

stcjones said:

I wish he had gotten "So MAD he couldn't see straight" during the 2007 SB.....when instead he blocked like Liberace out there...and then the day after the loss was joking about getting his beard cut off by Matt light.....where was that anger then Logan?...this guy needs to shut it...

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Let's all take a deep breath here. Remember, Mankins hasn't said a word. This is just his agent posturing as part of a negotiation. Let's just let it play out.

tanked_as_usual said:

replacing probowlers with draft picks will land you in the cellar

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Stephen Neal's body has showed clear signs of breakdown due to either age and/or injury and is on a one year contract with the team. He was hinting at retirement last year after the Baltimore game. Koppen isn't far behind him and lord knows what will happen with Matt Light next year, though we already have his replacement in Vollmer. At LEAST one of these guys won't be with the team in two years. My bet is on Neal, being that he's the oldest guy on the O-Line. This is especially if he goes through a similar rash of injuries again this season. If Neal goes and we don't use a high end draft pick on a promising O-Line prospect, then we're looking at replacing him with Connolly (Brady = dead), Ohrnberger (who really hasn't shown anything at this point), or Bussey (a complete unknown).

Furthermore, he last time any of these guys were Pro Bowlers was in 2007. Three long years ago.

Spiral said:

If the above numbers on Jahri Evans are correct, he gets $7/$56.7, but only $19M is guaranteed. I'd give Mankins that deal, unless there's an option bonus in year 2 or 3 that increase the guaranteed $$. If the market for guards keeps going up for the next 2-3 years, then it's a good deal. If it levels off or goes down, sayonara.

Mankins is solid, but not an all-pro. Take a look at the tape from SB42 before punching his ticket for Canton.

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I just don't see overpaying for Mankins because as you mention he helped us lose the superbowl. If he had a ring on his finger because he actually blocked anybody in what should have been the most significant football game of all time (the perfect season), than I could see that he earned top pay.

He is a very good lineman but certainly not great if he can't be counted on to help win big games.

Sorry but reality bites. I say put Levoir in there if Mankins doesn't want to be a part of this team.

PatsFanSince74 said:

Leaving Brady aside, you're just wrong about Kraft. The Pats pay up to the cap as consistently as any team in the league.

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They have missed on some of there drafts forcing them to get expensive free agents. leaving less cap space. The Colts are still good because there recent drafts have been good.