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AndyJohnson said:

I dont think 'by far' is reasonable after one AllPro season. Yes he is by far the most publicized corner and yes he was great last year but lets not put him in the Hall just yet.

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I'm not putting him into the Hall, but Revis faced some of the stiffest competition that any corner has had to endure in a while. I would have put Nmandi at a close second, but I think he's a little overrated to be honest and didn't face the competition that Revis did. This year, Revis sees Marshall twice and Moss twice on top of their out of division schedule. If he has a repeat of 2009, I think it's pretty safe to say that there isn't a CB in the league right now close to him.

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KontradictioN said:

I'm not putting him into the Hall, but Revis faced some of the stiffest competition that any corner has had to endure in a while. I would have put Nmandi at a close second, but I think he's a little overrated to be honest and didn't face the competition that Revis did. This year, Revis sees Marshall twice and Moss twice on top of their out of division schedule. If he has a repeat of 2009, I think it's pretty safe to say that there isn't a CB in the league right now close to him.

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I don't think Asomugha is overated, Revis is. They say he is the best defensive player in the league, which is stupid, because a cornerback can never have the same importance that a linebacker does(willis is the best defensive player), and Asomugha got zero credit in the DPOY race, when he is the cornerback who is least thrown at.

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Nnamdi Asomugha, who only gets thrown at about 20 times a season makes about 11 or 12 million a year Revis, will not get more then that from any team

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KontradictioN said:

I'm not putting him into the Hall, but Revis faced some of the stiffest competition that any corner has had to endure in a while. I would have put Nmandi at a close second, but I think he's a little overrated to be honest and didn't face the competition that Revis did. This year, Revis sees Marshall twice and Moss twice on top of their out of division schedule. If he has a repeat of 2009, I think it's pretty safe to say that there isn't a CB in the league right now close to him.

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I dont know how any corner really faces a significantly different level of competition than any other.
Revis faced Miami and Buff in 4 games. The teams in the Raiders division had better WRs particularly #1s than those 2 teams.
He also faced Tampa, Carolina, Tenn, Indy with the backups, Cincy with the backups, Oakland and Jacksonville. Thats 11 of his 16 games where the competition was weak, and in one of our contests we were without Welker.

Thats not even tough competition compared to the average guy in the league,much less the toughest anyone has faced in a long time.
Don't know why everyone insists on exaggerting about this guy.

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AndyJohnson said:

I dont know how any corner really faces a significantly different level of competition than any other.
Revis faced Miami and Buff in 4 games. The teams in the Raiders division had better WRs particularly #1s than those 2 teams.
He also faced Tampa, Carolina, Tenn, Indy with the backups, Cincy with the backups, Oakland and Jacksonville. Thats 11 of his 16 games where the competition was weak, and in one of our contests we were without Welker.

Thats not even tough competition compared to the average guy in the league,much less the toughest anyone has faced in a long time.
Don't know why everyone insists on exaggerting about this guy.

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So Steve Smith is weak competition? Its funny because I still think he is one of the best recievers in the NFL, he isn't beeing so productive, because he is constantly doubled, because that carolina offense has noboy but him recieving the football.

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I thought Revis had a fantastick season last year, but it was overrated. They talk about all the stud WRs he shut down, but many of them were shut down by quite a few CBs last year. T.O., Chad OchoCinco, Steve Smith, and Roddy White (Wihite actually did a better job vs. him than Revis did) all had below average seasons and were shut down by several teams. Rand Moss was up and down too.

I don't want to take too much away from the guy because he was the best CB in the league last year and if he has a career like he had last year, he should have no problem getting into the HOF. But I still don't think he is in Deion Sanders or Champ Bailey's category.

As for Revis having two elite years. I guess I will have to go back to the game film, but I didn't think he was elite in 2008. The Jets had one of the worst pass defense in the league that year (ranked 29th, 23rd in passing TDs allowed, 26th in opposing QB completion percentage, and 22nd in opposing QB rating). I can't see him taking away half the field and teams still having no problem passing on them.

As for him being worth $20 million a year, I don't think he is. Then again, I don't think he is going to get it. I don't think he does either. But then again, you don't want to start with what you think you can get. He will probably get $15-16 million a year and based on Asumogha's contract, he is worth that.

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BradyMossWelker said:

What are you saying? Revis does not have a better career than Bailey, he may end up having it, but not right now.

Most of the people won't agree, but I still think Asomugha is the best corner in the NFL, with Revis a close second. Its crazy, QB just don't throw to Asomugha.

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I'm saying that Revis, right now, is a better CB than Bailey was at any point in his career. I don't care that he's only been doing it for 2 seasons and Bailey was really good for a long time. You can't hold it against a 25 year old that he hasn't been an awesome NFL player since he was 16.

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BradyMossWelker said:

So Steve Smith is weak competition? Its funny because I still think he is one of the best recievers in the NFL, he isn't beeing so productive, because he is constantly doubled, because that carolina offense has noboy but him recieving the football.

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Out of the 32 teams in the NFL Carolina does not constitute tough competition for a corner. Regardless of your opinion of Smith.

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BradyFTW! said:

I'm saying that Revis, right now, is a better CB than Bailey was at any point in his career. I don't care that he's only been doing it for 2 seasons and Bailey was really good for a long time. You can't hold it against a 25 year old that he hasn't been an awesome NFL player since he was 16.

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I think you would have a hard time finding NFL people to agree with the bold statement that Revis in 2009 was better than Champ Bailey at his best. My God, did you start watching football in 2009?

To justify $20 million the Jets would have to be winning superbowls because of Revis' play. They aren't. You don't pay one player that much of your salary cap to lose in the playoffs.

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AndyJohnson said:

Out of the 32 teams in the NFL Carolina does not constitute tough competition for a corner. Regardless of your opinion of Smith.

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Carolina is a tough competion to a corner, when a corner always tries to shut down your number 1 reciever, and is every play on him, which happens to be Steve Smith. So I think Carolina is tough competion for Revis, only because of Smith.

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BradyMossWelker said:

Carolina is a tough competion to a corner, when a corner always tries to shut down your number 1 reciever, and is every play on him, which happens to be Steve Smith. So I think Carolina is tough competion for Revis, only because of Smith.

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Jerry Rice in his prime wouldn't be that formidable with Jake Delhomme throwing to him. Smith had a mediocre year last year and I don't think it was the CBs covering him. Smith had 985 yards last year. He had a worst performance against the Bucs than agains the Jets (by one yard).

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BradyMossWelker said:

Carolina is a tough competion to a corner, when a corner always tries to shut down your number 1 reciever, and is every play on him, which happens to be Steve Smith. So I think Carolina is tough competion for Revis, only because of Smith.

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Smith caught 65 passes and the Panthers were ranked 27th in passing and you are saying they constitute part of Revis 'facing the toughest competition anyone has in a long time" Thats silly.

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Rob0729 said:

Jerry Rice in his prime wouldn't be that formidable with Jake Delhomme throwing to him. Smith had a mediocre year last year and I don't think it was the CBs covering him. Smith had 985 yards last year. He had a worst performance against the Bucs than agains the Jets (by one yard).

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Regardless, the argument was Revis was one of the best who ever played the game last year because he faced some of the toughest competition anyone has in a long time.
Lets say the Panthers made the toughest matchup of all the teams I listed.
OK then the 6th toughest competition he faced could only muster a 27th ranking?
The point is that he didn't face even average competition compared to the average corner in the league he faced more weak passing teams than most corners do.
That said, it doesnt address how he played just that its an abomination to overrate him based on the competition, because it was in fact supar not world beating.

10 of the passing offenses Revis faced were ranked 19th or lower. 7 games were against bottom 10 passing offense. Thats not good competition.

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Revis is an amazing talent. However, he clearly struggles in zone coverage and his tackling is less than average, even by CB standards. That's my honest, unbiased opinion of the situation.

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PatsBoy12 said:

Revis is an amazing talent. However, he clearly struggles in zone coverage and his tackling is less than average, even by CB standards. That's my honest, unbiased opinion of the situation.

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What are you basing that on?

Revis is one of the best tackling CB's in the game and is great in run support too.

AndyJohnson said:

10 of the passing offenses Revis faced were ranked 19th or lower. 7 games were against bottom 10 passing offense. Thats not good competition.

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Lol, whatever helps you deal with it man.

You know there is no shame in admitting that a rival team has the best player at a position. Try it, it might feel good.

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AndyJohnson said:

I dont know how any corner really faces a significantly different level of competition than any other.
Revis faced Miami and Buff in 4 games. The teams in the Raiders division had better WRs particularly #1s than those 2 teams.
He also faced Tampa, Carolina, Tenn, Indy with the backups, Cincy with the backups, Oakland and Jacksonville. Thats 11 of his 16 games where the competition was weak, and in one of our contests we were without Welker.

Thats not even tough competition compared to the average guy in the league,much less the toughest anyone has faced in a long time.
Don't know why everyone insists on exaggerting about this guy.

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Let's take a look at what Revis went up against and compare it to what Nmandi faced.

Revis:
Week 1. Andre Johnson - 4 rec. 35 yds. 0 TD
2. Randy Moss - 4 rec. 24 yds. 0 TD
4. Marques Colston - 2 rec. 33 yds. 0 TD
6. Terrell Owens - 3 rec. 13 yds. 0 TD
10. Mike Sims-Walker - 3 rec. 49 yds. 1 TD
11. Randy Moss - 5 rec. 34 yds. 1 TD
12. Steve Smith - 1 rec. 5 yds. 0 TD
13. Terrell Owens - 3 rec. 31 yds. 0 TD
15. Roddy White - 4 rec. 33 yds. 0 TD
16. Reggie Wayne - 3 rec. 33 yds. 0 TD*

* denotes a game in which the Colts pulled Manning, Wayne, and their other big names in the second half. I didn't bother including Ochocinco in Week 17 for that same reason.

It's also interesting to note that the Jets had the top receiver in every regular season game except for four games, two of which were against New England (one in which Welker had pretty much a career day). Now let's take a look at the elite WR's Nmandi went up against...

Nmandi:
1. Vincent Jackson - 5 rec. 56 yds. 1 TD
3. Brandon Marshall - 5 rec. 67 yds. 1 TD
4. Andre Johnson - 2 rec. 66 yds. 0 TD
6. DeSean Jackson - 6 rec. 94 yds. 0 TD
8. Vincent Jackson -8 rec. 103 yds. 1 TD
11. Chad Ochocinco - 4 rec. 67 yds. 0 TD
12. Miles Austin - 7 rec. 145 yds. 1 TD
13. Santonio Holmes - 8 rec. 149 yds. 1 TD
15. Brandon Marshall - 7 rec. 73 yds. 1 TD

Overall, Revis squared off against one more top NFL receiver than Nmandi did. Despite this, Nmandi allowed 4 more TD's than Revis and 3 more 100+ yard receiving games. Nmandi is the second best WR in the NFL, but last year showed Revis to be a pretty clear cut #1.

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BradyFTW! said:

I'm saying that Revis, right now, is a better CB than Bailey was at any point in his career. I don't care that he's only been doing it for 2 seasons and Bailey was really good for a long time. You can't hold it against a 25 year old that he hasn't been an awesome NFL player since he was 16.

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Don't be silly. First, no one says he should have been good ten years ago. Second, he hasn't been doing it for two years. Face the fact Revis was great last year but MEDIOCRE THE YEAR BEFORE LAST.

Bailey has a body of work. Revis has a hot streak.