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So the fact that he is riding around the town on a motorcycle likely during the preseason or season itself without a helmet gets ignored because you think the media were following him around?

No, it doesn't get ignored. You're ignoring what I've been saying. There isn't a law out there to make someone wear a helmet while they're riding a motorcycle. So Ben paid lip service to it? So what? People keep harping on that and saying that paying lip service to his team makes him a bad guy. WRONG. Most people pay lip service to their employers. You, and many others in this thread, are missing the point. I don't know if it's deliberate or if it's just whoosing right over your head. The point is that not wearing his helmet is not a big deal. That's not what makes Ben a bad guy. It's all the other stuff he did that makes him a bad guy. That's the reason why I can't really see the first snippet being a big deal.

Anything else?
 
No, it doesn't get ignored. You're ignoring what I've been saying. There isn't a law out there to make someone wear a helmet while they're riding a motorcycle. So Ben paid lip service to it? So what? People keep harping on that and saying that paying lip service to his team makes him a bad guy. WRONG. Most people pay lip service to their employers. You, and many others in this thread, are missing the point. I don't know if it's deliberate or if it's just whoosing right over your head. The point is that not wearing his helmet is not a big deal. That's not what makes Ben a bad guy. It's all the other stuff he did that makes him a bad guy. That's the reason why I can't really see the first snippet being a big deal.

Anything else?

I must agree 3000%, until a law is in place to prevent this stupidity, people will do what they want. Also Kontra's comments on how we say what employers want to hear hits the mark. So what he rode a bike with no helmet? He is stupid enough to do it twice? So be it. The real deal is all the accusations against him from COUNTLESS people...be it 'accused' rape or just common *********-ishness.

The real point is, the guy has serious social issues. Apparently he lies to himself as much as he does to others and does not care. It will all catch up to him in time, KARMA is a saucy mistress...
 
I heard THIS idea vomited up on EEI this afternoon..."maybe his concussion history has led to a personality change because he wasn't like this in high school.."...almost drove off the narrow two lane I was on and into the drink...undrunk...

That one's been going around for a while -- at least a few weeks?
 
I must agree 3000%, until a law is in place to prevent this stupidity, people will do what they want. Also Kontra's comments on how we say what employers want to hear hits the mark. So what he rode a bike with no helmet? He is stupid enough to do it twice? So be it. The real deal is all the accusations against him from COUNTLESS people...be it 'accused' rape or just common *********-ishness.

The real point is, the guy has serious social issues. Apparently he lies to himself as much as he does to others and does not care. It will all catch up to him in time, KARMA is a saucy mistress...

Exactly. Why people are harping on him because he's dumb enough to not wear a helmet on a bike when the guy RAPED people is beyond me. Harp on him for the issues he SHOULD be harped on. Not stupid issues which basically revolve around the press getting the finger for being... well... for being the press.
 
Exactly. Why people are harping on him because he's dumb enough to not wear a helmet on a bike when the guy RAPED people is beyond me. Harp on him for the issues he SHOULD be harped on. Not stupid issues which basically revolve around the press getting the finger for being... well... for being the press.

C'mon Kontra, everyone knows rape is ok, as long as you wrap your head in a helmet....right? (Whoops, I forgot he does not like helmets)

Really though, the commish needs to get his arse in gear and do something about this, go to ANY..I REPEAT ANY...NFL forum and see if this isn't a topic.

As many people have said, money talks and bullsh*t walks. This guy needs to be booted from the NFL ASAP..I don't have an agenda against the Steelers or Ben, just against (accused) rapists.

BTW, accused = about 80% convicted...just sayin'
 
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No, it doesn't get ignored. You're ignoring what I've been saying. There isn't a law out there to make someone wear a helmet while they're riding a motorcycle. So Ben paid lip service to it? So what? People keep harping on that and saying that paying lip service to his team makes him a bad guy. WRONG. Most people pay lip service to their employers. You, and many others in this thread, are missing the point. I don't know if it's deliberate or if it's just whoosing right over your head. The point is that not wearing his helmet is not a big deal. That's not what makes Ben a bad guy. It's all the other stuff he did that makes him a bad guy. That's the reason why I can't really see the first snippet being a big deal.

Anything else?

Yes, it is being ignored. You brushed it off because of the media catching him doing it. You brushed it off because he paid lip service lying to the media, his team, and his teammates about not doing it again. You brushed it off because we aren't harping about him raping someone when that was hashed and rehashed to death twice. If you don't like that people are discussing it and you don't think it is a big deal then don't reply to posts about it. Move on to discussing some other aspect of his bad behavior. This is new information that has come to light that was intentionally buried by a TV station that would have damaged him year ago possibly impacting how he acted in the future both good and bad. But why discuss this when we can rehash the same old rape cases again and again.


Bottom line for Ben is clear: he doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself. He doesn't care about the law, women, his safety, personal boundaries, or impacts on teammates and his team. Classic A-Hole who is going to self implode if he doesn't get a freaking clue.
 
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If the stories are true he fits the stereotype of a jock bully that people have. He thinks he can push people around, do whatever he wants, and nobody can or will do anything about it. He walks around like his poop doesn't stink. He is the kind of guy that give a lot players a bad name. I remember hearing stores after opening day 2008 that the steelers fans were cheering and celebrating the news that Brady had been hurt. How many of those same fans are going to support this assclown? Many of them...because many sports fans act like idiots. The steelers are without question one of my most hated teams.
 
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Yeah, he's a prick. But is 6 pages backing this up really necessary? It just feels, to me, like Spygate-style piling on. There is no need for all of this...he's not the first football player to be a giant jerkoff, and he also won't be the last.

What a joke of a response from you blackglass. Roethlisberger is a predator against women, a bully against working class people and the best you can do is a Spygate reference and whine about the media piling on poor Benny??
This is what gives all sports fans a bad name.
Btw blackgenius, if they printed 6 pages you can bet they heard 30 pages worth of stories about Abusive Ben and his behavior but couldn't double and triple verify those stories so they went unpublished.
 
No, it doesn't get ignored. You're ignoring what I've been saying. There isn't a law out there to make someone wear a helmet while they're riding a motorcycle. So Ben paid lip service to it? So what? People keep harping on that and saying that paying lip service to his team makes him a bad guy. WRONG. Most people pay lip service to their employers. You, and many others in this thread, are missing the point. I don't know if it's deliberate or if it's just whoosing right over your head. The point is that not wearing his helmet is not a big deal. That's not what makes Ben a bad guy. It's all the other stuff he did that makes him a bad guy. That's the reason why I can't really see the first snippet being a big deal.

Anything else?

Sometimes I can't believe how naive you are. There is an old adage that just because you get away with something doesn't make it right... Doing something that isn't against the law becomes a big deal when you promised your employer you would never do it again because you realize how foolish and risky it was and you want him to believe you have matured to the point you realize that and are worth investing further in. That's what Ben did, he lied and established that as his pattern behavior to get people off his case under any circumstances. Then he cavalierly proved his word in all circumstances is essentially worthless because he still believes he can do whatever he wants short of committing an easily provable felony...by riding that bike again helmetless in public in Pittsburgh no less...

Given that however, I have no sympathy for this particular employer because I guarantee you they knew he was among other things an entitled, pathological liar incapable of accepting responsibility or accountability for his actions on and off the field. They've been covering for his behavior for years.

Believe me, this had a lot to do with Cowher's decision to walk away and take a sabatical... He could see the handwriting on the wall with Ben, knew he wasn't going to be able to control him on or off the field because of his own miscalculation early on in not establishing tougher ground rules with him because they were winning. Up until 2006 Cowher had been the face of their franchise. Once it became increasingly difficult to coach the meathead he drafted with both a ring and a reconfigured face who had apparently learned nothing in the process beyond becoming increasingly empowered by his seemingly inate ability to escape failure and even death..., Cowher knew what he had to do. Move on, because the Rooney's were committed to meathead becoming the long awaited QB the face of the franchise and if there were problems with that scenario going forward Cowher would be the one taking the heat.

Now the Rooney's are at that same juncture with Ben. And they aren't in that position because he's broken ANY law. They are there because he paid them lip service about making better choices and that's all it ever was...and up until now nobody chose to call him on it and hold him accountable for bs'ing them. Ben has yet to realize that life is all about choices and consequences, and just because you consistently got away with something in the past doesn't mean you will always continue to. Reminds me a lot of some posters here...
 
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Exactly. Why people are harping on him because he's dumb enough to not wear a helmet on a bike when the guy RAPED people is beyond me. Harp on him for the issues he SHOULD be harped on. Not stupid issues which basically revolve around the press getting the finger for being... well... for being the press.

People are harping on him for pretty much everything right now, and rightly so given that not even his mother seems to be able to find a nice thing to say about the guy. But it's not like b1tching about one thing forgives the other issues.

That said, not wearing a helmet after his crash absolutely makes him a bad guy from the perspective of his employer and his teammates. It's possibly the stupidest thing I have ever heard, and if he gets in an other accident and misses games because he wasn't wearing a helmet then the guy is a complete lost cause. Actually scratch that, it looks like he's been a lost cause for a while now.
 
I heard THIS idea vomited up on EEI this afternoon..."maybe his concussion history has led to a personality change because he wasn't like this in high school.."...almost drove off the narrow two lane I was on and into the drink...undrunk...

A different perspective. A (not blood) relative I've known well for 40 years, good father, Doctor head of cardiac care @ a major city hospital. Had ongoing low level alcohol abuse problems, like Ben. While skateboarding, suffered a major concussion. Personality and behaviour totally changed. Got let go from the hospital (Thank God). Hung out at strip clubs. Took strippers home time & again who relieved him of his cars, TVs and tens of thousands of dollars. Got arrested on a weekly basis. Well known to the local cops. Refused treatment or help from family members.

Head injuries can be very, very life changing in unexpected ways.

Personally I think Rthlsbrgr is inherently a scumbag, enabled by a press that untill recently covered up for him and now the synchophants are covering for him, but I could be very wrong.
 
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This is how I intitially felt but it eventually becomes like OJ Simpson. Too much evidence. IMO I have heard enough to strip him of the NFL uniform.

Innocent until guilty is legal terminology. If you witness one guy shoot another, is he innocent until he goes throught the legal system? No, he just shot a guy.

I no longer consider Ben as anything other than a scumbag. The letter of the law may disagree.

I love the way you put it. VERY well said, and I agree completely!
 
I think we should all be prepared for the next edition of the Big Ben Rehabilitation Tour. This version will be how it wasn't Ben's fault. It was the concussions that made him do it. Of course it will ignore the facts that Ben was a idiot and as*hole when he was in college and he's just as he's remained and idiot and as*hole to date.

The bottom line is that he'll serve his four games and get back on the field. The fans' antagonism will last until he throws his first TD pass, and he'll have learned to get his women from the yellow pages.

Personally, just one MORE reason to hate the Steelers
 
Yes, it is being ignored. You brushed it off because of the media catching him doing it.

Where did I brush it off because of the media? Please show me this. All I said is that I can't blame him for flipping off the media.

You brushed it off because he paid lip service lying to the media, his team, and his teammates about not doing it again.

I just don't think it's that big of a deal. Once again, the vast majority of people out there have, at one point or another, paid lip service to their employers about one thing or another. When a guy is accused of raping several girls, this really isn't that big of a deal. Typing out a 1,000 word thesis on this when he's done stuff that is so much more wrong only comes off as rampant Roethlisberger hate. Once again, there isn't a law requiring him to wear a helmet. Until he actually breaks another law, one which revolves around wearing the proper equipment on a motorcycle, then you'll forgive me for rolling my eyes at all the people who have absolutely no lives that continue to harp on this particular issue.

If you don't like that people are discussing it and you don't think it is a big deal then don't reply to posts about it. Move on to discussing some other aspect of his bad behavior.

No thanks. I think I'll continue to call everyone out on how ridiculous they're being in regards to an issue which is not a big deal whatsoever.

This is new information that has come to light that was intentionally buried by a TV station that would have damaged him year ago possibly impacting how he acted in the future both good and bad. But why discuss this when we can rehash the same old rape cases again and again.

Guess what? The story that he got some poor waiter fired just because he could is also new information. Yet I don't see anybody harping on that to death. IMO, this is TEN times worse than paying lip service to your employer about wearing a helmet on your motorcycle... IN YOUR FREE TIME.

Bottom line for Ben is clear: he doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself. He doesn't care about the law, women, his safety, personal boundaries, or impacts on teammates and his team. Classic A-Hole who is going to self implode if he doesn't get a freaking clue.

And did I ever say anything to the contrary?

Once again, anything else? :rolleyes:
 
Sometimes I can't believe how naive you are. There is an old adage that just because you get away with something doesn't make it right...

And sometimes, Mo, I have trouble believing that you have any semblance of social life outside of following football and the Patriots.

Doing something that isn't against the law becomes a big deal when you promised your employer you would never do it again because you realize how foolish and risky it was and you want him to believe you have matured to the point you realize that and are worth investing further in. That's what Ben did, he lied and established that as his pattern behavior to get people off his case under any circumstances. Then he cavalierly proved his word in all circumstances is essentially worthless because he still believes he can do whatever he wants short of committing an easily provable felony...by riding that bike again helmetless in public in Pittsburgh no less...

Once again, millions of people in the world pay lip service to their employers about something that occurs or occured inside the office. What he did was pay lip service to his employers about something that he does in his free time OUTSIDE of work. I don't care about the fact that he makes millions. It does not make this situation any different. What right does an employee have to tell you what to do outside of work? In my opinion, they have no right to do that if you aren't actually breaking any laws, which Ben was not. If there is a law which requires bike riders to wear helmets (which there should be), then I'd be the first one to harp on Ben about this. However, this is not a big deal considering everything else he did. Let's take a look at that, shall we?

1. Accused of rape by several women.

2. Accused of assault on the part of his bodyguards during the night said rape took place.

3. Made fun of a waiter just trying to do his job to the guy's face then got him fired just because he could.

...and we're seriously still harping on him because he chose not to wear a helmet on a bike and then flipped the press off when they were nosy enough to try to tape him and rat him out to his employer? Really? This is just getting pathetic now.

Given that however, I have no sympathy for this particular employer because I guarantee you they knew he was among other things an entitled, pathological liar incapable of accepting responsibility or accountability for his actions on and off the field. They've been covering for his behavior for years.

I can't disagree with this. The Steelers are a Grade-A scumbag organization from their owner on down.

Believe me, this had a lot to do with Cowher's decision to walk away and take a sabatical... He could see the handwriting on the wall with Ben, knew he wasn't going to be able to control him on or off the field because of his own miscalculation early on in not establishing tougher ground rules with him because they were winning. Up until 2006 Cowher had been the face of their franchise. Once it became increasingly difficult to coach the meathead he drafted with both a ring and a reconfigured face who had apparently learned nothing in the process beyond becoming increasingly empowered by his seemingly inate ability to escape failure and even death..., Cowher knew what he had to do. Move on, because the Rooney's were committed to meathead becoming the long awaited QB the face of the franchise and if there were problems with that scenario going forward Cowher would be the one taking the heat.

I sincerely hope that this is just speculation and, if it isn't, you have actual proof of this. I have to believe that if Roethlisberger and Holmes (among others) forced him to walk away then Cowher would have taken one of the many jobs that was offered to him after he left the Steelers. Personally, I'm not as willing to invest time and energy into conspiracy theories as you are. Is it possible that these situations forced Cowher out? Sure. But it's highly unlikely. Cowher just looked like a guy that needed some time off from the stresses of being a professional football coach after 2006. He looked tired and old. Now that he's doing broadcasting, he looks rested and healthy. I prefer to put two and two together.

Now the Rooney's are at that same juncture with Ben. And they aren't in that position because he's broken ANY law. They are there because he paid them lip service about making better choices and that's all it ever was...and up until now nobody chose to call him on it and hold him accountable for bs'ing them. Ben has yet to realize that life is all about choices and consequences, and just because you consistently got away with something in the past doesn't mean you will always continue to. Reminds me a lot of some posters here...

You seem to have as much of a problem with understanding where I'm coming from as efin does. I never once said that Ben hasn't made any bad decisions. In fact he has. The fact that he isn't wearing a helmet is one of them just because of it's sheer stupidity. I feel that way about everybody (which would be thousands, if not millions, of people) that doesn't wear a helmet while riding a bike. However, that is entirely his prerogative and, compared to everything else he's done, it just seems pointless to harp on that and not concentrate on the things the actually DO make Ben a bad person.
 
On July 11, 2008, at Harrah's Lake Tahoe, Roethlisberger allegedly called hotel employee Andrea McNulty to his room to fix a television that turned out to be in proper working order. In a civil suit filed a year later, McNulty claims Roethlisberger groped her and penetrated her against her will. Roethlisberger denies McNulty's account and has declined to comment on specifics.

McNulty says she reported the incident to her superiors but that they did nothing about it. She contends that her boss, Dave Monroe, the vice president of food and hotel operations, told her that Roethlisberger was a close friend of Harrah's Northern Nevada president John Koster, and that Koster "will personally fire you for starting rumors about Roethlisberger's personal life." McNulty said she was told by Monroe, "That guy [Roethlisberger] can have anyone he wants."

The McNulty case looks bogus.

"One of McNulty's coworkers gave a sworn affidavit that McNulty bragged about having consensual sex with Roethlisberger and said that she wanted to have his child."
 
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Where did I brush it off because of the media? Please show me this. All I said is that I can't blame him for flipping off the media.



I just don't think it's that big of a deal. Once again, the vast majority of people out there have, at one point or another, paid lip service to their employers about one thing or another. When a guy is accused of raping several girls, this really isn't that big of a deal. Typing out a 1,000 word thesis on this when he's done stuff that is so much more wrong only comes off as rampant Roethlisberger hate. Once again, there isn't a law requiring him to wear a helmet. Until he actually breaks another law, one which revolves around wearing the proper equipment on a motorcycle, then you'll forgive me for rolling my eyes at all the people who have absolutely no lives that continue to harp on this particular issue.



No thanks. I think I'll continue to call everyone out on how ridiculous they're being in regards to an issue which is not a big deal whatsoever.



Guess what? The story that he got some poor waiter fired just because he could is also new information. Yet I don't see anybody harping on that to death. IMO, this is TEN times worse than paying lip service to your employer about wearing a helmet on your motorcycle... IN YOUR FREE TIME.

You were brushing it off...

And did I ever say anything to the contrary?

Once again, anything else? :rolleyes:

This was an attempt to move on with the topic off of that second helmetless riding incident. It wasn't meant for you, it was a general moving along statement to continue the discussion. Sorry if you feel you have to monopolize the entire discussion to prove your point any more than you already have.
 
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