I am really pulling for Josh McDaniels

It's so hard to tell with people who limit their exposure to interviews, sound bites and carefully crafted speeches at rubber chicken dinners, but McDaniels comes across to me as a genuinely decent guy. He's understated, works like a dog and proved that he knows what he's doing when he was at the Pats. Now that he's trying to make it on another level, he's still continued to come across in the same way. I can think of no HC I'd rather see come in number two in the AFC and, in those years when we're not in the AFCCG, I can think of no other HC I'd rather see go to the SB. Man, would he make deciding whom to choose between the Broncos and Jets an easy choice!!!

He hasn't been shy about rolling the dice and, like a lot of other folks out here, I hope he succeeds. I always thought Cutler was less than stellar in his attitude and way overrated in terms of his on field accomplishments.

As for Tebow, I watched Jon Gruden's film session with him during Draft Week and I came away with the impression that he was "a Patriots kind of guy" and thought momentarily that it might not be a bad idea to draft him as TB's replacement (Steve Young joined the niners in 1987 and didn't become the starting QB for six seasons). I did note with interest that Josh traded up to the slot just before the Cards and Pats to draft him...but I chalked that up to coincidence.

Here is what I think of Josh McDaniels - he's a BB wannabe. Like Mangini, McDaniels tries to literally be a BB clone.

What McDaniels did with basically Shanahan's entire 2006 draft is unbelievable. Not only were they young, but Denver probably ended up having the strongest draft in the NFL and a great nucleolus for the future. McDaniels is going so far with his BB act, that if you even look at him wrong, he will trade you. In fact, the guy is getting so ridiculous, I've heard the Denver media and fans think he's a joke.

And I agree with an earlier post about how McDaniels acted after he beat BB in Denver. On one hand, McDaniels was showing how much he respects BB and the Pats by getting so excited in beating them. On the other hand, he was acting like a rookie head coach by getting excited from beating a team in October of the regular season. The running fist pumping he did would've really pissed me off as a player. But then again, the Pats should feel pretty pathetic losing to such a sh*tty team.

When McDaniels traded Cutler away, I gave him 3 years max before he gets the ax. I also felt Denver was going to be one of the worst teams (if not the worst) in the NFL. And I wouldn't have been surprised if he was fired if indeed they finished last in the NFL. His legacy rides upon how well Orton and Tebow does (if McDaniels lasts that long). In the end, I don't root for people when they make such idiotic moves like McDaniels.

Great post! I agree one hundred percent!

I think it will all work out for Josh, I like the way he got rid of both Cutler and Marshall. On the Tebow pick, I have always believed that the guy will make it in the NFL and he couldn't have landed in a better place for him. To have McDaniels and Mike McCoy, two known QB developmental geniuses to guide you is just incredible.

Its nice to have an interest in another team doing well and I really hope they do very well because I have no doubt that if Josh is successful he will be BB's successor here.

I'm a firm fan of McDaniels and have been following his moves ever since he became the head coach of Denver. There's several factors that some people are missing...

#1: He's trying to build his team through a team first mentality. Jay Cutler signed his own ticket out when he refused to respond to Pat Bowlen. It was Bowlen's call, period, and McDaniels was simply the head coach. Brandon Marshall has displayed questionable practice habits last year (punting the ball in an early practice) and has wanted out of Denver for quite a while, many believe due to the Darrent Williams murder that occurred. The GM, Brian Xanders, and McDaniels accomodated him.

#2: He's been able to lure big name free agents (Brian Dawkins last year, Jamal Williams this year) and has slowly been building a very solid defense with what should in time be a very good offense. Keep in mind that he went 8-8, the same record as Shanahan the year before, despite installing a completely new system with new players at QB and RB while going up against what many considered a very difficult schedule. All in the face of predictions that he'd go 2-14 or 3-13 at best.

#3: For those calling him a Belichick clone/Belichick wannabe, he's not. He's extremely emotional (See the sound bites of him on the bench and his post Patriots win celebration). What he has learned is that he has to create a big picture vision, stick with it no matter what, and he's hoping the end will justify the means. The rap with Mangini was that he served only 1 year as DC while Josh served multiple years as OC and had a better relationship with Belichick in general.

#4: The new DC hired was the LB coach from last year. McDaniels has stated that he was behind the idea of an aggressive, blitz pressure defense. The struggles stopping the run down the stretch (See Jamaal Charles ripping up Denver) combined with Mike Nolan's differences in ideas led to Nolan leaving and ultimately landing in Miami. From everything said, it sounds like it was a mutual agreement that they had a difference of opinion defensively and it was best that Nolan attempted to land on another team.

#5: The pick of Tebow is risky but could also carry great reward. McDaniels has emphasized repeatedly that Tebow has that "it" factor leadership wise and is incredibly gifted mentally. Everybody knows he'll be a work hard warrior in all facets. The biggest things for Tebow is his throwing mechanics, which is Josh's job to coach up. It's a lot easier to coach a change in throwing mechanics on a QB who can lead/work hard than it is trying to work with a guy who has the physical skills but lacks leadership/mental toughness (See JaMarcus Russell). They also have Kyle Orton and Brady Quinn in camp so Tebow doesn't have to be thrown to the wolves as a starter and can just play in Wildcat type formations here and there for a season.

HEY BRO! WHAT UP? said:

And I agree with an earlier post about how McDaniels acted after he beat BB in Denver. On one hand, McDaniels was showing how much he respects BB and the Pats by getting so excited in beating them. On the other hand, he was acting like a rookie head coach by getting excited from beating a team in October of the regular season. The running fist pumping he did would've really pissed me off as a player. But then again, the Pats should feel pretty pathetic losing to such a sh*tty team.

When McDaniels traded Cutler away, I gave him 3 years max before he gets the ax. I also felt Denver was going to be one of the worst teams (if not the worst) in the NFL. And I wouldn't have been surprised if he was fired if indeed they finished last in the NFL. His legacy rides upon how well Orton and Tebow does (if McDaniels lasts that long). In the end, I don't root for people when they make such idiotic moves like McDaniels.

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Actually it's probably based on how many games they win but if keeping Cutler was the answer why did they part ways Shanny?

No glory without guts. McDaniels has shown plenty of guts ... now waiting for the payoff......

HEY BRO! WHAT UP? said:

Here is what I think of Josh McDaniels - he's a BB wannabe. Like Mangini, McDaniels tries to literally be a BB clone.

What McDaniels did with basically Shanahan's entire 2006 draft is unbelievable. Not only were they young, but Denver probably ended up having the strongest draft in the NFL and a great nucleolus for the future. McDaniels is going so far with his BB act, that if you even look at him wrong, he will trade you. In fact, the guy is getting so ridiculous, I've heard the Denver media and fans think he's a joke.

And I agree with an earlier post about how McDaniels acted after he beat BB in Denver. On one hand, McDaniels was showing how much he respects BB and the Pats by getting so excited in beating them. On the other hand, he was acting like a rookie head coach by getting excited from beating a team in October of the regular season. The running fist pumping he did would've really pissed me off as a player. But then again, the Pats should feel pretty pathetic losing to such a sh*tty team.

When McDaniels traded Cutler away, I gave him 3 years max before he gets the ax. I also felt Denver was going to be one of the worst teams (if not the worst) in the NFL. And I wouldn't have been surprised if he was fired if indeed they finished last in the NFL. His legacy rides upon how well Orton and Tebow does (if McDaniels lasts that long). In the end, I don't root for people when they make such idiotic moves like McDaniels.

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You should probably research the Denver situation before posting on it again.

Deus Irae said:

You should probably research the Denver situation before posting on it again.

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My thoughts exactly but I probably was incorrect with my statement regarding Shanny.

I was ready for tebow to fail on 31 other teams, but I'm not so sure I'd bet against him with mcdaniels --- that guy is perfect for mcdaniels.

eom said:

I was ready for tebow to fail on 31 other teams, but I'm not so sure I'd bet against him with mcdaniels --- that guy is perfect for mcdaniels.

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I don't think its even that he has to succeed, its that McDaniel sees the possibility of 'his Brady' there and if that works out he is miles ahead of whoever would have kept and cowtowed to the immaturity of Cutler (I said the day he was traded that McD will be in a SB before Cutler, and I still believe it) and allowed himself to be 'held hostage by the talent'.
If Tebow doesnt work out, how is that any different than the other half of the 1st round picks in that area of the round that fail?
Its a calculated gamble, and the consequence of losing it isnt really that severe, teams that make a bad first round pick here or there win too.

Paige: McD says Tebow has the "It" factor - The Denver Post

Tim Tebow has IT.

Not if.

And he gets it.

So says Josh McDaniels.

"I think the thing about Tim is what everybody calls the 'It'. There are those kind of people that have that 'It,' " the coach said emphatically this week in his office at Dove Valley. On the wall beside McDaniels' desk is a large TV, and frozen on the flat screen was Tim Tebow, in his orange Broncos practice jersey with a football by his left ear — a start button for throwing a pass.

McDaniels looks at the image of the Broncos' rookie quarterback and compares Tebow's "It" factor to another quarterback he directly coached for five seasons in New England.......

HEY BRO! WHAT UP? said:

When McDaniels traded Cutler away, I gave him 3 years max before he gets the ax. I also felt Denver was going to be one of the worst teams (if not the worst) in the NFL. And I wouldn't have been surprised if he was fired if indeed they finished last in the NFL. His legacy rides upon how well Orton and Tebow does (if McDaniels lasts that long). In the end, I don't root for people when they make such idiotic moves like McDaniels.

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With predictions like that, remind me not to ask you for stock advice. You do realize there were 17 teams who had the same or worse record as the Broncos last year with 12 of them having worse records? You do realize that if the Broncos swept Oakland or beat Baltimore last year, they would have been a Wild Card team? You do realize that Cutler led the league in INTs last year and it wasn't even close for second place (he had 26 and Sanchez who was second had 20)?

Seriously, Cutler was the most overrated QB in the league because in Denver he had tons of yards since his defense kept him on the field all game (and not in a good way, they just allowed opposing offenses to score within a minute or two on a regular basis). Now Cutler is the Bears' problem and most of their fans have buyer's remorse. Cutler never would ever fit into McDaniels' system because he doesn't think nor is he willing to do the film work to get to where he needs to be. He needs to be on a team that allows him to be reckless and has a defense that can overcome him making the costly penalties. That wasn't Denver or Chicago last year.

You can argue that the Broncos don't a QB right now, but I didn't think they really had one with Cutler and his padded stats.

I know you hate McDaniels, but totally ignoring what happened last year and declaring you made totally incorrect predictions as if you were right on the money doesn't change the fact that you were wrong. The Broncos were far from the worst team in the league last year and were in fact better than the team Cutler played for (Chicago had one less win the Broncos).

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With predictions like that, remind me not to ask you for stock advice. You do realize there were 17 teams who had the same or worse record as the Broncos last year with 12 of them having worse records? You do realize that if the Broncos swept Oakland or beat Baltimore last year, they would have been a Wild Card team? You do realize that Cutler led the league in INTs last year and it wasn't even close for second place (he had 26 and Sanchez who was second had 20)?

Seriously, Cutler was the most overrated QB in the league because in Denver he had tons of yards since his defense kept him on the field all game (and not in a good way, they just allowed opposing offenses to score within a minute or two on a regular basis). Now Cutler is the Bears' problem and most of their fans have buyer's remorse. Cutler never would ever fit into McDaniels' system because he doesn't think nor is he willing to do the film work to get to where he needs to be. He needs to be on a team that allows him to be reckless and has a defense that can overcome him making the costly penalties. That wasn't Denver or Chicago last year.

You can argue that the Broncos don't a QB right now, but I didn't think they really had one with Cutler and his padded stats.

I know you hate McDaniels, but totally ignoring what happened last year and declaring you made totally incorrect predictions as if you were right on the money doesn't change the fact that you were wrong. The Broncos were far from the worst team in the league last year and were in fact better than the team Cutler played for (Chicago had one less win the Broncos).

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dude........

otherwise I pretty much agree with you.

eom said:

dude........

otherwise I pretty much agree with you.

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I may be wrong, but if the Broncos won either of those games they would have been 9-7 (this part I am sure of) and beaten both the Jets and Texans for the tiebreakers for the Wild Card spot (this part I am not as sure of, but I think I am right). I am not speaking opinion. I am speaking facts assuming my tiebreaker math is right. They did finish 8-8 and the Jets who went to the playoffs went 9-7. One more win by the Broncos and they would have been tied for the last playoff spot and might have gotten in depending on which win it was and how the tiebreakers panned out.

Deus Irae said:

You should probably research the Denver situation before posting on it again.

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What situation are you talking about?

Rob0729 said:

With predictions like that, remind me not to ask you for stock advice. You do realize there were 17 teams who had the same or worse record as the Broncos last year with 12 of them having worse records? You do realize that if the Broncos swept Oakland or beat Baltimore last year, they would have been a Wild Card team? You do realize that Cutler led the league in INTs last year and it wasn't even close for second place (he had 26 and Sanchez who was second had 20)?

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Why are you giving me all these what if's? If the Pats didn't blow it Denver, Denver still would've been eliminated from wildcard contention.

Seriously, Cutler was the most overrated QB in the league because in Denver he had tons of yards since his defense kept him on the field all game (and not in a good way, they just allowed opposing offenses to score within a minute or two on a regular basis). Now Cutler is the Bears' problem and most of their fans have buyer's remorse. Cutler never would ever fit into McDaniels' system because he doesn't think nor is he willing to do the film work to get to where he needs to be. He needs to be on a team that allows him to be reckless and has a defense that can overcome him making the costly penalties. That wasn't Denver or Chicago last year.

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You can argue that the Broncos don't a QB right now, but I didn't think they really had one with Cutler and his padded stats.

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When was the last time Cutler had a good defense and wasn't playing catch up? When you can't trust your defense, your going to take a lot of risks.

I know you hate McDaniels, but totally ignoring what happened last year and declaring you made totally incorrect predictions as if you were right on the money doesn't change the fact that you were wrong.

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First of all, I don't hate McDaniels because I don't know the guy. Second, I don't understand what you were trying to say in bold because I wasn't trying to act like I was right. I was saying I made a prediction last year and I'm sticking to it.

The Broncos were far from the worst team in the league last year and were in fact better than the team Cutler played for (Chicago had one less win the Broncos).

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Of course their not the worst team in the league because their record says otherwise. However, I still think they have one of the worst rosters in the league(if not the worst).

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Of course their not the worst team in the league because their record says otherwise. However, I still think they have one of the worst rosters in the league(if not the worst).

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then mcd must be the coach of the year.

I hope McDaniels makes it too. Only because I would like to see a little
success from the apple tree.

I see the move for Tebow from two perspectives. McD has Orton, Quinn and Tebow in camp and for the immediate future....odds are one of those guy's should develop out into something better than average. Better than average can be good enough with the right surrounding talent.

On the other hand, McD may have outsmarted himself by having a currently average starter and two projects. He has no escape hatch now. This is year two, and with moving into the 1st again for Tebow, the team better not take a turn south. Any good will he earned from fans and ownership last year will quickly get ugly if they post a losing record this year.

He gambled and maybe it will pay big dividends. If not, his worse scenario with his offensive acumen is an OC job somewhere.


More importantly is this; fhuk McDaniels, fhuk LT, fhuk Adalius Thomas, fhuk Rex, fhuk 'em all.

Go Pat's.

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then mcd must be the coach of the year.

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I guess so.

i like Josh McDaniels, as a person and i have to respect that he is trying to do things he's way by replaceing troubled stars with hard working rookies will this work for him i don't know.




i will say this i don't think he is a great OC denver was only ranked 15th in offense last year with marshall, haveing a 3rd of the rec and yerds in the passing game.


Brian Billick, who set the points record that the pats broke with the vikings was never able to find a real QB in 9 years and the ravens offense never ranked higher then 14th under him.



my point is this McDaniels, Career is now in tim tebows hand if he becomes a star. then josh will look great brady and moss got him the job in denver and now it's up to tebow to help him keep it.