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There's some truth to that, certainly. But the fact is, we all do reevaluate our initial opinions of decisions. Surely anybody who was around this board on day 1 of the draft remembers reactions like...

"BB you ******* suck as a GM, wholy hell."
"WTG Bill, you have officially lost it.....maybe you need to have a microphone in some other war rooms?"
"epic fail"
"I really don't want to admit this, but I think Belichick has lost his forking marbles!"
"Come on Bill, get your head out of your ***** and stop wasting picks!"
"Please unlock the voting so I can vote FAIL like 1200 times!"

...and then just 24 hours later, the "umm, on second thought, awesome draft!" posts? :) I have more respect for Curran reevaluating now, rather than watching how all the picks actually turn out before weighing in with a new "opinion."

If I thought it was sincere I'd believe in this...but then again isn't this the same writer who got slammed for claiming Brady's knee operation was botched and stood by it when everyone else proved otherwise?

This to me smells like he is trying to be ahead of the curve on this instead of behind it...using Breer and his eagerness to prove them wrong for not taking Bryant as the driving force.
 
Two things: if you're going to talk about a receiver whose pre-draft hype failed to match his NFL production, you *have* to include Chad Jackson. Curran doesn't. Also, Curran doesn't even *list* Chad Jackson on his sidebar for 2006, instead stopping at #26 Santonio Holmes. Holmes is to Jackson as Demaryius Thomas is to Dez Bryant.

Jackson was a 2nd rounder, this list is just for first rounders.
 
Bryant is a talent. As many have said he doesn't resemble Moss whatsoever.

He's basically a bigger, faster (4.5 to 4.7), stronger Anquan Boldin. Not as quick (4.48 short shuttle to 4.33) but has a way better vertical (38 to 33 1/2), great timing and great body control in the air. That's the only area where he even remotely compares to Moss, vertical and body control.

He won't be able to separate like Moss could and doesn't have two of the gears that Moss had. That being said, he won't need to separate as much against single coverage because he can outleap and outfight people for the ball very well. And he'll go over the middle. But he doesn't have a third of the football smarts that Moss has. I think he'll do well in Dallas' offense, wouldn't do much in ours.
 
Why should Curran be applauded for a very slanted shot at the kid?

What has this kid done that's so bad?

Why does he deserve to get ripped apart like that?

For being late to practice?

Please. If this were a Patriots draftee, you guys would all be up in arms.

If someone had attacked Brandon Meriweather like that the very weak after he was drafted, people here would be totally pissed.
He's not being applauded as you put it. He's demonstrating the blatantly obvious after pulling the blinkers off.
 
Moss's combination of height, incredible speed, jumping ability, brains, route-running, and overall athleticism will never be matched in the history of the NFL. Not even Jerry Rice holds a candle to Moss in terms of athletic ability.

Comparing Dez to Moss is disgraceful.

Yup and not only that; Moss is a student of the game and greatly respected by his teammates. Sounds un-Dez-like eh?

Moss should be a hero to NE fans but for the jackals in the press like Felger and Callahan.

BTW Felger cemented his reputation by guaranteeing that the Patriots would draft Tebow.
 
He's not being applauded as you put it. He's demonstrating the blatantly obvious after pulling the blinkers off.

Should I go in and show all the bad facts and inaccuracies? That's a putrid piece of journalism.

I'm totally fine with someone saying they were wrong. But if you're going to do it, don't go on a screed and make stuff up.
 
Should I go in and show all the bad facts and inaccuracies? That's a putrid piece of journalism.

I'm totally fine with someone saying they were wrong. But if you're going to do it, don't go on a screed and make stuff up.
Go for it. You can apologize after your done and I won't think any less of you.
 
I love this quote. All you draftnics full of WR lust need to keep this in mind (and it shows that it is not just the Patriots who screw up WR picks):

Since 2000, 44 wide receivers have been taken in the first round of the NFL Draft. By my accounting, 34 have either been "Useless" or "Meh" as pros​

BB did the right thing.

The first roadblock on Dez's journey to Canton will be his holdout. Then he will miss camp. Then he will have trouble with the playbook. Next? Injury? Bench warming? Suspended for missing meetings?

Meanwhile McCourty will be swatting down passes left and right.
 
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If anything, I'm going to be comparing Dez Bryant (the WR they could've had) to Taylor Price (the WR they took with Dallas's pick). It would've been nice to have Bryant but him coming from the same school as uber bust Rashaun Woods scared me. However, I thought Percy Harvin was going to be a bust as well considering what happens to most Florida WR's.
 
For Ausbacker on Curran:


1. And Bryant has either fed into or been responsible for all of it.


Bryant is not the one feeding stories to the media about his past, or the one making up rumors pre-draft.

2. He got himself mobbed up with Deion Sanders even though it was pretty clear that Sanders' "advising" Michael Crabtree didn’t help Crabtree a bit.

Mobbed up with the Christians! Because Deion makes his kids attend church. Oh, we have another mobbed up Deion thug on the team too, Darius Butler!

3. His efforts at explaining himself were fine, but then he should have dropped it and moved on. Instead, he kept circling back like a fish finding the same hook.


He was asked repeatedly about this at the combine and afterwards. What do you want him to say? I refuse to talk about it? Please.

4. When he was criticized for forgetting his cleats before his personal workout, he had a lengthy explanation.

It wasn't lengthy. It was short. He brought 6 pairs of cleats, but not his best.

5. When he was asked a ridiculous and insulting question by a team during an interview, he shared the question with the media. When pressed to reveal who asked it, Bryant complied and said it was the Dolphins.

No, when pressed, he did not comply and reveal it was the Dolphins. Someone who Bryant informed privately about the matter revealed it was the Dolphins. Curran is playing loose with the truth.


6. Then he got into a public “he-said, I-said” over how the question came to be asked.


???

7. He’s told anyone who will listen how he intends to make the teams that passed on him pay.

Let's kick Moss off the team. He said the same thing. As have countless other players.

8. Since 2000, 44 wide receivers have been taken in the first round of the NFL Draft. By my accounting, 34 have either been "Useless" or "Meh" as pros. Of the other eight (I omitted this year’s two first-rounders), five have been pretty good. Three have been excellent.

All of us on the draft board did this same exact exercise, and the percentage of busts or meh was much lower.

Not Useless:
Rod Gardner
Robert Meachem
Darrius Heyward-Bey
Kenny Britt
Hakeem Nicks

Better than Meh:
Santana Moss
Javon Walker
Santonio Holmes
Dwayne Bowe
Michael Crabtree
Jeremy Maclin

9. With Bryant, it’s all projections and platitudes.

No s___. He hasn't played a game yet.

10. I don’t think either of them will be able to live up to the hype, expectations or scrutiny. Tebow stands a better chance because he’s going to be protected in Denver and given a chance to develop.

:rofl:

This is an embarrassing article by a writer who should do better.
 
For Ausbacker on Curran:


1. And Bryant has either fed into or been responsible for all of it.


Bryant is not the one feeding stories to the media about his past, or the one making up rumors pre-draft.

2. He got himself mobbed up with Deion Sanders even though it was pretty clear that Sanders' "advising" Michael Crabtree didn’t help Crabtree a bit.

Mobbed up with the Christians! Because Deion makes his kids attend church. Oh, we have another mobbed up Deion thug on the team too, Darius Butler!

3. His efforts at explaining himself were fine, but then he should have dropped it and moved on. Instead, he kept circling back like a fish finding the same hook.


He was asked repeatedly about this at the combine and afterwards. What do you want him to say? I refuse to talk about it? Please.

4. When he was criticized for forgetting his cleats before his personal workout, he had a lengthy explanation.

It wasn't lengthy. It was short. He brought 6 pairs of cleats, but not his best.

5. When he was asked a ridiculous and insulting question by a team during an interview, he shared the question with the media. When pressed to reveal who asked it, Bryant complied and said it was the Dolphins.

No, when pressed, he did not comply and reveal it was the Dolphins. Someone who Bryant informed privately about the matter revealed it was the Dolphins. Curran is playing loose with the truth.


6. Then he got into a public “he-said, I-said” over how the question came to be asked.


???

7. He’s told anyone who will listen how he intends to make the teams that passed on him pay.

Let's kick Moss off the team. He said the same thing. As have countless other players.

8. Since 2000, 44 wide receivers have been taken in the first round of the NFL Draft. By my accounting, 34 have either been "Useless" or "Meh" as pros. Of the other eight (I omitted this year’s two first-rounders), five have been pretty good. Three have been excellent.

All of us on the draft board did this same exact exercise, and the percentage of busts or meh was much lower.

Not Useless:
Rod Gardner
Robert Meachem
Darrius Heyward-Bey
Kenny Britt
Hakeem Nicks

Better than Meh:
Santana Moss
Javon Walker
Santonio Holmes
Dwayne Bowe
Michael Crabtree
Jeremy Maclin

9. With Bryant, it’s all projections and platitudes.

No s___. He hasn't played a game yet.

10. I don’t think either of them will be able to live up to the hype, expectations or scrutiny. Tebow stands a better chance because he’s going to be protected in Denver and given a chance to develop.

:rofl:

This is an embarrassing article by a writer who should do better.
All I see is opinion no links. You're offering your personal opinion on the matter which is fine. I've tended to narrow in on the Patriots comments and his fit. Suit yourself if it pleases.
 
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All I see is opinion no links.

What do you want a link to?

A few are opinions, others are facts. I thought you were aware of some of them.

Like this one:

He brought cleats, just not his best.

Dez Bryant fails to impress scouts during Pro Day

Or, read this one where it's mentioned Calvin Johnson forgot his cleats in 2007 and created a huge controversy. oh wait! 2010 NFL Draft: Is Dez Bryant Still a Top Receiver after Questionable Workout? | Bleacher Report

What about Darius Butler and Deion Sanders?

PreDraft: Darius Butler: Ready for Prime Time - The League at washingtonpost.com

As for one part of the article, I was wrong. I had only read this article previously (Bryant: 'There's nothing diva about me' - NFL - Yahoo! Sports)
in which Dez Bryant did not name the GM who called his mother a prostitute. It was confirmed by a guy named Wells who was advising him. I didn't realize that he was later pressed on it and revealed who it was (something that I have no problem with him doing, not at all).

Here's the last one: Moss said that teams that pass on him "will regret it."
Randy Moss - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Given your response to my previous post, I don't expect you to acknowledge these.
 
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What do you want a link to?

A few are opinions, others are facts. I thought you were aware of some of them.

Like this one:

He brought cleats, just not his best.

Dez Bryant fails to impress scouts during Pro Day

Or, read this one where it's mentioned Calvin Johnson forgot his cleats in 2007 and created a huge controversy. oh wait! 2010 NFL Draft: Is Dez Bryant Still a Top Receiver after Questionable Workout? | Bleacher Report

What about Darius Butler and Deion Sanders?

PreDraft: Darius Butler: Ready for Prime Time - The League at washingtonpost.com

As for one part of the article, I was wrong. I had only read this article previously (Bryant: 'There's nothing diva about me' - NFL - Yahoo! Sports)
in which Dez Bryant did not name the GM who called his mother a prostitute. It was confirmed by a guy named Wells who was advising him. I didn't realize that he was later pressed on it and revealed who it was (something that I have no problem with him doing, not at all).

Here's the last one: Moss said that teams that pass on him "will regret it."
Randy Moss - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Given your response to my previous post, I don't expect you to acknowledge these.
You're coming from the poor Dez Bryant brigade. Poor old Dez isn't to blame for anything. Here's a few home truths for you if I may

1. Curran is evaluating his position pre and post draft.
2. Curran has listed events that occurred and Bryant's name was attached to them rightfully or wrongfully.
3. I'm aware of all the listed events.
4. There's been linking of prior behavior and personal circumstance rightfully or wrongfully.
5. There's been demonstration of behavioral issues either symptomatic or problematic.
6. There's been a statistical illustration of wide receiver success rates since 2000 taken in the first round of the NFL Draft.
7. There's been a comment correlating the potential issue of Bryant, first round receiver success rates and the Patriots eventual first round draft pick Devin McCourty.
8. Perhaps most stark is the gulf in class between Bryant's college career and that of Randy Moss.
9. Curran has offered his own personal opinion regarding the comparison of Bryant to Moss and Bryant's potential NFL career.

What's clear is you are reading what you want whilst ignoring plan and simple fact. Personally I think the behavioral issues are being overrated however Bryant appears to have the knack of involving himself in situations.

The fact is at this point I am fine with the way the Patriots went about their draft day business. If you feel so strongly about it write a letter to Curran, take him to task and show us his response.
 
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You're coming from the poor Dez Bryant brigade. Poor old Dez isn't to blame for anything. Here's a few home truths for you if I may

1. Curran is evaluating his position pre and post draft.
2. Curran has listed events that occurred and Bryant's name was attached to them rightfully or wrongfully.
3. I'm aware of all the listed events.
4. There's been linking of prior behavior and personal circumstance rightfully or wrongfully.
5. There's been demonstration of behavioral issues either symptomatic or problematic.
6. There's been a statistical illustration of wide receiver success rates since 2000 taken in the first round of the NFL Draft.
7. There's been a comment correlating the potential issue of Bryant, first round receiver success rates and the Patriots eventual first round draft pick Devin McCourty.
8. Perhaps most stark is the gulf in class between Bryant's college career and that of Randy Moss.
9. Curran has offered his own personal opinion regarding the comparison of Bryant to Moss and Bryant's potential NFL career.

What's clear is you are reading what you want whilst ignoring plan and simple fact. Personally I think the behavioral issues are being overrated however Bryant appears to have the knack of involving himself in situations.

The fact is at this point I am fine with the way the Patriots went about their draft day business. If you feel so strongly about it write a letter to Curran, take him to task and show us his response.

You're projecting onto me what you are doing yourself.

I have absolutely no problem with the Patriots not taking Bryant, and I've stated this long before this conversation. I've been a Belichick backer and if he feels Bryant is ill-suited for this team, I'm totally fine with that.

I simply objected to Curran's inaccuracies as I listed them, and I want Patriots posters to be more consistent. When someone does a hackjob, we should recognize it.
 
not sure how Santana Moss merits a "MEH." He's been quite good.
 
You're projecting onto me what you are doing yourself.

I have absolutely no problem with the Patriots not taking Bryant, and I've stated this long before this conversation. I've been a Belichick backer and if he feels Bryant is ill-suited for this team, I'm totally fine with that.

I simply objected to Curran's inaccuracies as I listed them, and I want Patriots posters to be more consistent. When someone does a hackjob, we should recognize it.
No. I don't agree he's done a hackjob. I've summarized the article in it's entirety and have no issues with it other than potentially inflating a few things.

Either way it seems we both agree that Bryant isn't a fit for the Patriots and can move on.
 
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