OT: Breer: Scout: Dez Bryant best WR prospect in 10 years

Dallas took Bryant at #24. Twenty-three teams passed on him. It took a team with an owner who has already sold his soul (see: phantom of the opera facelift) to pick him... because of both his love of physical talent at all costs as well as his (very real) business acumen. Jones won't EVER pass up the opportunity for the Cowboys to be a story, whether positive or negative.

The personnel guys in the NFL are the best talent evaluators in the known universe, period. Not us, not Albert Breer. And even they are 50/50 at best when it comes to evaluating the transition to the NFL. Most teams said "no" to Dez Bryant. If he is truly the best talent at WR in the last 10 years, he most likely would have been snatched up much earlier, character issues aside.

Bryant would be on the Pats if as a unit they agreed that he was right for the team. This is beyond a no-brainer. He was either removed from their board completely or would have been looked at as a low financial risk in the 2nd round. Time to let it go, Breer and company.

rodentstew said:

Dallas took Bryant at #24. Twenty-three teams passed on him. It took a team with an owner who has already sold his soul (see: phantom of the opera facelift) to pick him... because of both his love of physical talent at all costs as well as his (very real) business acumen. Jones won't EVER pass up the opportunity for the Cowboys to be a story, whether positive or negative.

The personnel guys in the NFL are the best talent evaluators in the known universe, period. Not us, not Albert Breer. And even they are 50/50 at best when it comes to evaluating the transition to the NFL. Most teams said "no" to Dez Bryant. If he is truly the best talent at WR in the last 10 years, he most likely would have been snatched up much earlier, character issues aside.

Bryant would be on the Pats if as a unit they agreed that he was right for the team. This is beyond a no-brainer. He was either removed from their board completely or would have been looked at as a low financial risk in the 2nd round. Time to let it go, Breer and company.

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23 teams took players they liked better.

I'm a huge Bryant fan. if I were picking at the spot Derrick Morgan got taken, I would have passed on Bryant too!

Let's not forget there were other players in the draft.

rodentstew said:

Dallas took Bryant at #24. Twenty-three teams passed on him. It took a team with an owner who has already sold his soul (see: phantom of the opera facelift) to pick him... because of both his love of physical talent at all costs as well as his (very real) business acumen. Jones won't EVER pass up the opportunity for the Cowboys to be a story, whether positive or negative.

The personnel guys in the NFL are the best talent evaluators in the known universe, period. Not us, not Albert Breer. And even they are 50/50 at best when it comes to evaluating the transition to the NFL. Most teams said "no" to Dez Bryant. If he is truly the best talent at WR in the last 10 years, he most likely would have been snatched up much earlier, character issues aside.

Bryant would be on the Pats if as a unit they agreed that he was right for the team. This is beyond a no-brainer. He was either removed from their board completely or would have been looked at as a low financial risk in the 2nd round. Time to let it go, Breer and company.

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I don't get your point, though. Randy Moss dropped too, as did Warren Sapp. They were still tremendous prospects, though.

VJCPatriot said:

So was Braylon Edwards, so what's your point?

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Huh? I don't know what this means. What's your point?

upstater1 said:

23 teams took players they liked better.

I'm a huge Bryant fan. if I were picking at the spot Derrick Morgan got taken, I would have passed on Bryant too!

Let's not forget there were other players in the draft.

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Exactly, had Parcell's not signed Brandon Marshall, Dez Bryant would have been in our division, that's how much Parcell's loved the kid. Other teams had more pressing needs they wanted to fill. I'm not saying that some of the Dez Bryant questions didn't impact him falling to 24, but I think alot more of that had to do with teams having other, more pressing needs than WR.

Look, I love our draft, I thought day two was phenomenal. I even like McCourty, I really think he's going to be a productive NFL starter for us. But knowing Randy is walking after this year and really not having a #1 WR to look to when Moss moves on, made the Dez Bryant pass hard to believe. But we'll see and we'll discuss as the season progresses, because if I'm a betting man, my money is on Bryant lighting it up, he's that talented. Every stud WR has issues, Bryant's issues in my eyes were really minimal. By all accounts he's a good kid and I am willing to bet he is going to prove it to everyone, I just wish that was with us and I think we made a mistake on that Dallas trade up, that is just my opinion.

The_Riddler said:

Exactly, had Parcell's not signed Brandon Marshall, Dez Bryant would have been in our division, that's how much Parcell's loved the kid. Other teams had more pressing needs they wanted to fill. I'm not saying that some of the Dez Bryant questions didn't impact him falling to 24, but I think alot more of that had to do with teams having other, more pressing needs than WR.

Look, I love our draft, I thought day two was phenomenal. I even like McCourty, I really think he's going to be a productive NFL starter for us. But knowing Randy is walking after this year and really not having a #1 WR to look to when Moss moves on, made the Dez Bryant pass hard to believe. But we'll see and we'll discuss as the season progresses, because if I'm a betting man, my money is on Bryant lighting it up, he's that talented. Every stud WR has issues, Bryant's issues in my eyes were really minimal. By all accounts he's a good kid and I am willing to bet he is going to prove it to everyone, I just wish that was with us and I think we made a mistake on that Dallas trade up, that is just my opinion.

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Where has it been said that Parcell's was in love with Dez Bryant? If he loved him so much, why not draft and sign him? It would have been better for the Phins; they would have saved a lot of money.

Not all stud wr's have "issues". Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald and Reggie Wayne are all stud wr's who don't act like idiots.

The Pats have ten picks next year (including two first rounders). What makes you think they won't pull a trade or draft a stud?

Firstly, give me the benefit of the doubt, as you guys have thousands of well-considered posts, and I'm a mere rookie.

The title of this thread was "Dez Bryant best WR prospect in 10 years". Maybe I could have been more concise, but if that were TRUE, I'd have a hard time believing he'd last til #24 in ANY draft, unless he were a serial killer. He obviously has great physical talent - nobody disputes that. I would've been fine if the Pats had drafted him at 24 themselves, or 22, because it would have meant they were satisfied he was a good investment.

Let me recalibrate. Talent isn't only physical. How's that? Whatever unnamed scout told Breer this (if anyone really did) probably should have rephrased: "Dez Bryant is the best physical specimen I've seen at WR in 10 years."

I'll also admit I just used this thread as an opportunity to mention Jerry Jones' facelift (s). I think it's important to mention it whenever we can.

Deus - good point re: Moss and Sapp. I have no rebuttal.

The_Riddler said:

Exactly, had Parcell's not signed Brandon Marshall, Dez Bryant would have been in our division, that's how much Parcell's loved the kid. Other teams had more pressing needs they wanted to fill. I'm not saying that some of the Dez Bryant questions didn't impact him falling to 24, but I think alot more of that had to do with teams having other, more pressing needs than WR.

Look, I love our draft, I thought day two was phenomenal. I even like McCourty, I really think he's going to be a productive NFL starter for us. But knowing Randy is walking after this year and really not having a #1 WR to look to when Moss moves on, made the Dez Bryant pass hard to believe. But we'll see and we'll discuss as the season progresses, because if I'm a betting man, my money is on Bryant lighting it up, he's that talented. Every stud WR has issues, Bryant's issues in my eyes were really minimal. By all accounts he's a good kid and I am willing to bet he is going to prove it to everyone, I just wish that was with us and I think we made a mistake on that Dallas trade up, that is just my opinion.

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Riddler - remember that 3 SBs came this way without Moss, or Welker. It was undrafted Troy Brown, Deion Branch, David Givens, David Patten and a cast of thousands. A well-balanced offensive attack is more important than the individual parts, as long as Brady is pulling the trigger and the defense continues to get faster, more talented, and become experienced playing together.

rodentstew said:

Firstly, give me the benefit of the doubt, as you guys have thousands of well-considered posts, and I'm a mere rookie.

The title of this thread was "Dez Bryant best WR prospect in 10 years". Maybe I could have been more concise, but if that were TRUE, I'd have a hard time believing he'd last til #24 in ANY draft, unless he were a serial killer. He obviously has great physical talent - nobody disputes that. I would've been fine if the Pats had drafted him at 24 themselves, or 22, because it would have meant they were satisfied he was a good investment.

Let me recalibrate. Talent isn't only physical. How's that? Whatever unnamed scout told Breer this (if anyone really did) probably should have rephrased: "Dez Bryant is the best physical specimen I've seen at WR in 10 years."

I'll also admit I just used this thread as an opportunity to mention Jerry Jones' facelift (s). I think it's important to mention it whenever we can.

Deus - good point re: Moss and Sapp. I have no rebuttal.

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Dez does not have better physical tools than Calvin Johnson. Breer is full of crap.

The_Riddler said:

knowing Randy is walking after this year

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You don't know that for sure. For all we know, the FO is planning on offering him a new contract.

Marqui said:

You don't know that for sure. For all we know, the FO is planning on offering him a new contract.

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Really ? You may be right, but I have a feeling that Randy doesn't want to be here anymore, his comment about the Pats thriftiness and Mr. Kraft's rebuttal to those comments, to me, has made this his last season in NE. I hope I am wrong, I would love for Randy to be resigned, but we all know that we are not going to pay him the kind of money a Jerry Jones or someone else would. I would bet he walks.

Dez who? We got Buddy F'in Farnham! BUDDY FARNHAM!

Let the Cowboys and Jets deal with these guys, we're back to where we belong, drafting stone cold football players. Look for the quotation "Football is important to him" to be used a lot this year in post-game interviews.

at first glance I thought it was Mark Farner...I was wondering what a 58 year old former lead singer of Grand Funk Railroad was doing trying out for the Pats...but really...Brown has produced some fine special teamers and camp cuts the last decade or so...

SEA_Pat said:

Dez who? We got Buddy F'in Farnham! BUDDY FARNHAM!

Let the Cowboys and Jets deal with these guys, we're back to where we belong, drafting stone cold football players. Look for the quotation "Football is important to him" to be used a lot this year in post-game interviews.

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Not to beat a dead horse, but everyone swears that one reason that Bryant wasn't out getting in trouble like guys who don't put football first is that Bryant basically lives for football and nothing else. That's his only thing. That being said, he was late to practice a few times. Guess what, I follow college football, and this is not an uncommon thing.

rodentstew said:

Firstly, give me the benefit of the doubt, as you guys have thousands of well-considered posts, and I'm a mere rookie.

The title of this thread was "Dez Bryant best WR prospect in 10 years". Maybe I could have been more concise, but if that were TRUE, I'd have a hard time believing he'd last til #24 in ANY draft, unless he were a serial killer. He obviously has great physical talent - nobody disputes that. I would've been fine if the Pats had drafted him at 24 themselves, or 22, because it would have meant they were satisfied he was a good investment.

Let me recalibrate. Talent isn't only physical. How's that? Whatever unnamed scout told Breer this (if anyone really did) probably should have rephrased: "Dez Bryant is the best physical specimen I've seen at WR in 10 years."

I'll also admit I just used this thread as an opportunity to mention Jerry Jones' facelift (s). I think it's important to mention it whenever we can.

Deus - good point re: Moss and Sapp. I have no rebuttal.

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I think our disagreement rests in other factors. Breer simply said that, based on the tape of his college play, Bryant was the best. Now I think that's wrong, but I don't think the scout is too far off. Bryant's last full season in college was one of the best season's ever for a WR. It was unbelievably good for a college kid. Receptions, yards, TDs, through the roof. He was a force. so this isn't about his physique or his body. Actually, his speed is not top speed for a WR. Rather, this kid is a great football player.

This draft was incredibly deep with few teams needing WRs. As I look at the draft I can see an argument being made that the #3 receiver of the last decade was only worth the 13th pick (that's the value I assign to him, anyway, as I find at least 12 or more likely 13 players that I thought were better). This draft had incredible DTs, a good QB, a great CB, two great safeties, the best ILB we've seen come out in years, a pretty good DE/pass rusher, and two stud OTs. Spiller versus Bryant would be a good argument.

I'd say the hoopla over his off-the-field family history is what caused him to drop. I mean, you had general managers asking the kid if his Mom was a prostitute. Obviously, people were concerned about him for questions like that to be asked. But as far as what the scout said, on the field, he was an absolute stud.

Best wide receiver in college football the last two years. He played in the same conference as Crabtree and Maclin and he outperformed those guys by a mile.

Well imo there was nobody in this year's draft at WR with anywhere near the potential of Michael Crabtree.

Next year there are some really fine prospects. Hopefully the Raiders have a disastrous year so we can have our pick of the crop.

upstater1 said:

Huh? I don't know what this means. What's your point?

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Braylon Edwards was taken #3 overall at the WR position and he was a monumental bust. Bryant could end up the same and he wasn't even taken as early. So again, what was your point?

I can think of a "terrifice [wide receiver] prospect" within the last 10 years who never got it, has 14 career catches and didn't play in a game last year. Chad Jackson lit up rookie training camp and never came through. I liked Jackson but WRs are a tricky lot, to be "choosed" by those closest to info--or something like that.

VJCPatriot said:

Braylon Edwards was taken #3 overall at the WR position and he was a monumental bust. Bryant could end up the same and he wasn't even taken as early. So again, what was your point?

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That Bryant was one of the top 3 WRs in college.

This is the point of discussion in this entire thread, whether Bryant was the top WR or not.

Everyone knows he wasn't picked first.

bradmahn said:

I can think of a "terrifice [wide receiver] prospect" within the last 10 years who never got it, has 14 career catches and didn't play in a game last year. Chad Jackson lit up rookie training camp and never came through. I liked Jackson but WRs are a tricky lot, to be "choosed" by those closest to info--or something like that.

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But you're talking about a guy who in his best college year had half of Bryant or Crabtree's production.

That's why Jackson was not considered an all-world college receiver.