The Jets suck (merged)

Lockdown24 said:

terrible rebuttal. so d'brick, who's never been to the pro-bowl, got in because he's the most popular? if you ask anyone who's not biased, they will tell you he's one of the top tackles in the league. how many pro-bowl LTs were on the Pats last year? stop hating and just give the guy his due.

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I guess it was too much for me to expect you to try to refute my points about Peters and D'Bust's inconsistency before Faneca came along. And thanks for making my piss my pants in laughter. Ferguson was one of the top tackles in the league? LMFAO!! Please feel free to post offensive tackle stats in comparison to other OT's around the league to back that up. I have a feeling I'll be waiting for a while. Asking about Matt Light is yet another nice logical fallacy that you've decided to throw up there in your drivel but, if you must know, I would much rather have Matt Light (who was more consistent than Ferguson even before Mankins came along) over Ferguson.

secondly, you've studied medicine? if you're a doctor then my apologies. if not, you should know from experience that the recovery time for a torn ligament is significantly less than that of a compound fracture. personally, my diagnoses was 2 months and i'm on track. A compound fracture is significantly worse. there is high risk of infection and complication due to the bone going through the skin. even if everything goes smoothly, it takes 6-8 weeks for the bones to fuse and heal. after that period, the bone is still weak because its newly healed and you have to take it easy. once again, look at Leon. a world class athlete with the best medical care. its been 6 months and he just said he can only run in a straight line. but yeah, you know what you're talking about...

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First of all, if you're going to attempt to berate me for discussing medicine in regards to football injuries, it would probably be best for you not to take the same leap in logic. Doing so only makes you look like a hypocrite. Secondly, the risk of infection for a compound fracture occurs the most post-surgery, just like in a ligament tear. Third of all, a ligament tear usually requires a new ligament. That, in and of itself, is what typically makes ligament tears more devastating of an injury to a football player than a compound fracture. If you don't think Leon Washington won't be a loss then that's your problem. Many of your other Jet fans seem to disagree with you.

sanchez sprained one knee which he fully recovered from and had minor surgery to stabilize a dislocation in his left knee suffered in college. that means he's been playing with it all this time. it was considered a minor surgery. stop trying to make it seem like his legs are time bombs.

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Thanks for admitting and agreeing that Sanchez has had prior knee issues.

you may go back to being a homer now...

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The vast majority of posters on this forum would be inclined to disagree with you.

By the way, I can tell that you're actually at least a little worried about everything I posted being true. If you weren't, then you would not be here trying to defend your mostly incorrect point of view regarding your team.

K-Ro 25 said:

Then do you feel you could do a better job then Matt Millen then? I have watched most of these guys drafted play. No I do not study hours of game film but that is an extremely faulty way of thinking. So are we then not allowed to give opions on draft picks then ever? Who are you to question he raiders taking Darius Heyward Bey 8th you arent a football mind. Myself personally I do mock drafts of guys I love rds 1-7 and I have been money for 5 yrs. Do I think I can be an upper echelon GM? No, I think I can be better then the bottom feeders like Buffalo, Oakland and Detroit who have no clue. Is that so impossible to believe?

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Yes, that it entirely impossible to believe.

-Of course you can give an opinion, but you must recognize your opinion is UNIFORMED.
-It is far from faulty to say that the person who lacks information is ill-prepared to make a good decision
-Those guys with 'no clue' would embarrass you in film study.


Basically, its like this:

I have a bucket with ping pong balls numbered 1-100. You and Matt Millen are in a room. I send you out, and remove all of the balls numbered 55-100 in front of Mllen.
I bring you back in the room, and ask each of you to predict whether the next ball I pull out of the bucket is numbered 1-50 or 51-100.
You say 51-100, not knowing 45 of those are not there (i.e. you lack facts)
Millen says 1-50, knowing he has a 50/55 shot (i.e. he has gathered the appropriate information to make the decision, and analyzed it)
Lo and behold, we pull the ball out and it is number 54.
You crow that you are smarter than Millen, way better at this game, and don't even need to know the facts to make a better decision.
That is pretty much exactly the analogy to you telling me that you can sit in your living room, watch a little bit of college football, and make better draft decisions than professinals.


As far as Heyward-Bey, this is where the Kiper-ism of the draft drives me crazy.
The Raiders front office is 1000x better informed and capable of judging his talents than you are. Whether he busts or succeeds doesn't change that. Many other players who could have been drafted in his slot will bust, some drafted above him will too. (I could easily make the same agrument you make with him for Sanchez btw)
The Raiders drafting him is not really subject to ridicule, because they are in a better position to judge how he compares to the other chioces.
What the problem is is that there are 'insiders' who at least CLAIM to know when he would have been drafted, where he was on other boards. So, IF they are correct, the Raiders could have traded down and gotten more picks and still gotten the player. The Raiders aren't stupid for drafting the player, unless an exhaustive film study, interview process and background check revealed something they just missed, but they APPARENTLY misread the draft and didn't realize they could trade down and still get him, ie, get more value.

If you seriously think you are the 29th best GM in the NFL today without even doing any of the work, you are simply delusional.

you need to chill and mellow out a bit, second I don't see how any very knowledgable ncaa fan canhave drafting ability lower then matt millen. My opinion is that I could do a better job then the guy, if that's not yours then that's ok, just don't kill me for feeling contrary. And no one was pimping the jets draft as u say. I think wilson is better then mccourty, sorry I forgot I'm not allowed to believe anything bc I haven't seen 1000 hrs of each play.

Joker said:

every season we get a "I'm way better than these NFL guys!!!!" excursion into fairy tale land....like clockwork

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My thoughts on 2010 jets football: through the roof potential, and through the roof expectations. No record or outcome would surprise me. I do feel we are an upper echelon team. The team leadewrs is a legit concern just please never mention rhodes and leader in the same swentence. He was a me player who didn't love football and was a crappy team guy. We still have high character leaders in mangold, jenkins, ellis, revis, cotchery etc. But there is a little bit of uncertainty on how the new faces play out. You guys crap on LT but show a negative word ever said about him by a teammate or anything resembling an off the field issue. Bart scott isn't a locker detriment he just talks a lot which ties into our style. Pace ped's means nada. Harrison was busted for hgh and that meant nothing. Edwards has said n acted the right way since he got here. You mention the pats draft picks but cunningham had law incidents and spikes gouged a players eye in a game. Sd wanted to get rid of lt bc of production not character big difference if locker room is what u argue

Bostonian1962 said:

I'm not going to buy into the title of this post.

However, the Jets have had some players the last couple of years that were said to be team leaders, and players that other players liked and respected, like Leon Washington, Rhodes, Thomas Jones, and Alan Faneca.

This is a lead in to a huge concern I would legitimately have, if I were a Jets fan.

All of the aforementioned players were uncerimoniously kicked off the team, for lack of a more gentle way of saying it.

Then, they add players like LaCrymian Tomlinson, Baby Mama Chromartie, SanTokio Holmes (adding) to Bart "The Mouth" Scott, Calvin "PED Suspension" Pace, and Headcase Braylon Edwards. Just suddenly alot of "out with the character guys", and in with the "problem children".

I'm telling you this approach is a recipe for disaster! When Pittsburgh, SD, and Cleveland are in such a hurry to get rid of some players with issues, and you put them all on one team, while unloading some of the more stable locker room guys, bad things usually happen.

As a Pats fan, I LOVE that they are doing this. It never turns out well.

P.S. - At least FIVE of the Patriots draft picks were their team's Captain this past season. "Leaders" vs. the Jets approach of "Cancers".

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K-Ro 25 said:

you need to chill and mellow out a bit, second I don't see how any very knowledgable ncaa fan canhave drafting ability lower then matt millen. My opinion is that I could do a better job then the guy, if that's not yours then that's ok, just don't kill me for feeling contrary. And no one was pimping the jets draft as u say. I think wilson is better then mccourty, sorry I forgot I'm not allowed to believe anything bc I haven't seen 1000 hrs of each play.

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I know most Jets fans suffer from delusion, but I would dare say that you are "commitable" to an actual psych. ward. based on your postings here.

I feel we disagrree bc you don't realize how much football I watch in a yr. I have a dad who brakes down usc game tape for fun lol, I know more then an average fan who gives an uninformed opinion. Football reporting is my aspiration, I live the sport. I have actually seen mccourty play in person, have watched wilson a lot. My opinion isnt merely just something I randomly can to one day from hearing a kiper mcshay debate. People in high positions are allowed to be morons, just check the knicks for reference

AndyJohnson said:

Yes, that it entirely impossible to believe.

-Of course you can give an opinion, but you must recognize your opinion is UNIFORMED.
-It is far from faulty to say that the person who lacks information is ill-prepared to make a good decision
-Those guys with 'no clue' would embarrass you in film study.


Basically, its like this:

I have a bucket with ping pong balls numbered 1-100. You and Matt Millen are in a room. I send you out, and remove all of the balls numbered 55-100 in front of Mllen.
I bring you back in the room, and ask each of you to predict whether the next ball I pull out of the bucket is numbered 1-50 or 51-100.
You say 51-100, not knowing 45 of those are not there (i.e. you lack facts)
Millen says 1-50, knowing he has a 50/55 shot (i.e. he has gathered the appropriate information to make the decision, and analyzed it)
Lo and behold, we pull the ball out and it is number 54.
You crow that you are smarter than Millen, way better at this game, and don't even need to know the facts to make a better decision.
That is pretty much exactly the analogy to you telling me that you can sit in your living room, watch a little bit of college football, and make better draft decisions than professinals.


As far as Heyward-Bey, this is where the Kiper-ism of the draft drives me crazy.
The Raiders front office is 1000x better informed and capable of judging his talents than you are. Whether he busts or succeeds doesn't change that. Many other players who could have been drafted in his slot will bust, some drafted above him will too. (I could easily make the same agrument you make with him for Sanchez btw)
The Raiders drafting him is not really subject to ridicule, because they are in a better position to judge how he compares to the other chioces.
What the problem is is that there are 'insiders' who at least CLAIM to know when he would have been drafted, where he was on other boards. So, IF they are correct, the Raiders could have traded down and gotten more picks and still gotten the player. The Raiders aren't stupid for drafting the player, unless an exhaustive film study, interview process and background check revealed something they just missed, but they APPARENTLY misread the draft and didn't realize they could trade down and still get him, ie, get more value.

If you seriously think you are the 29th best GM in the NFL today without even doing any of the work, you are simply delusional.

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K-Ro 25 said:

you need to chill and mellow out a bit, second I don't see how any very knowledgable ncaa fan canhave drafting ability lower then matt millen. My opinion is that I could do a better job then the guy, if that's not yours then that's ok, just don't kill me for feeling contrary. And no one was pimping the jets draft as u say. I think wilson is better then mccourty, sorry I forgot I'm not allowed to believe anything bc I haven't seen 1000 hrs of each play.

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You are 'allowed' to have an opinion, but when you act as if your opinion holds as much value as that of a guy who did a comprehensive anaylsis of both players, and in fact employs a staff to assist in that, and has coached, taught and made personell decisions in the NFL for 35 years you are delusional.
You are taking a painstaking process conducted by someone with significantly more football intelligence than you and putting it on equal footing with 'I saw him play some in college'.
You can't seriously believe that, can you? I mean frankly if you did it would invalidate every opinion you have in my mind because you are out of touch with reality.

K-Ro 25 said:

Then do you feel you could do a better job then Matt Millen then? I have watched most of these guys drafted play. No I do not study hours of game film but that is an extremely faulty way of thinking. So are we then not allowed to give opions on draft picks then ever? Who are you to question he raiders taking Darius Heyward Bey 8th you arent a football mind. Myself personally I do mock drafts of guys I love rds 1-7 and I have been money for 5 yrs. Do I think I can be an upper echelon GM? No, I think I can be better then the bottom feeders like Buffalo, Oakland and Detroit who have no clue. Is that so impossible to believe?

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You werent just questioning the bottom feeders kiddo. You made a comment about BB's drafting.

K-Ro 25 said:

I feel we disagrree bc you don't realize how much football I watch in a yr. I have a dad who brakes down usc game tape for fun lol, I know more then an average fan who gives an uninformed opinion. Football reporting is my aspiration, I live the sport. I have actually seen mccourty play in person, have watched wilson a lot. My opinion isnt merely just something I randomly can to one day from hearing a kiper mcshay debate. People in high positions are allowed to be morons, just check the knicks for reference

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You are kidding right?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say K-Ro has never played football in his life.

I never said I could draft better then bb all I said was bb has had misses in the past in rating a player at one position over another I.e. maroney n deangelo '06. I said I think he was wrong on the cb ranks as well.

Keyser Söze said:

You werent just questioning the bottom feeders kiddo. You made a comment about BB's drafting.

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Can we just drop it at this point, you think every mind in football can not be critically questioned by informed fans, I disagree. Let's move on. Side note, bill simmons says the same stuff all the time about nba and in certain franchises cough knicks cough he's right

AndyJohnson said:

You are kidding right?

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How wrong u are sir

Keyser Söze said:

I'm going to go out on a limb and say K-Ro has never played football in his life.

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K-Ro 25 said:

I never said I could draft better then bb all I said was bb has had misses in the past in rating a player at one position over another I.e. maroney n deangelo '06. I said I think he was wrong on the cb ranks as well.

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At first this was funny, but I am now a little worried for your actual well-being and the public in general.

Do you happen to have a twin brother that was separated from you at birth and goes by the name of Travis and Aqua4ever?

K-Ro 25 said:

Can we just drop it at this point, you think every mind in football can not be critically questioned by informed fans, I disagree. Let's move on

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You cant criticise Belichick. He knows 100x more than you in regards to football.

Congrats, your loser dad breaks down USC tape in his spare time. We're all impressed. Can I assume he has an important job in an NFL organization?

Jeez all I'm saying is I don't know anyone can watch wilson and mccourty play and rate mccourty over wilson.

fair catch fryar said:

At first this was funny, but I am now a little worried for your actual well-being and the public in general.

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K-Ro 25 said:

Jeez all I'm saying is I don't know anyone can watch wilson and mccourty play and rate mccourty over wilson.

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Belichick did and he knows more than you and your lard ass coach

Stay classy

Keyser Söze said:

You cant criticise Belichick. He knows 100x more than you in regards to football.

Congrats, your loser dad breaks down USC tape in his spare time. We're all impressed. Can I assume he has an important job in an NFL organization?

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K-Ro 25 said:

Stay classy

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Is there a reason I should "stay classy" with you?

I'm sick of reading your idiotic comments on things you know nothing about.

K-Ro 25 said:

Jeez all I'm saying is I don't know anyone can watch wilson and mccourty play and rate mccourty over wilson.

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And thus the point.
You are saying your opinion is superior to BBs. I am saying compared to his it is blind because:
A) You have seen about 2% of the facts that he has
B) His knowledge is light years ahead of yours
That doesnt mean every pick he makes is right, it means BB thinks McCourty is a better player, you think Wilson is and BB has more date behind his conclusion AND is better at interpretting the data.

I gave you an opportunity to educate me on all the factors you analyzed to come to your conclusion and how you did it, and you gave nothing.
As far as I can tell so far, your resume is:
-Your father likes to watch USC film
-You were at a game McCourty played in (I suppose that makes about
2,000,000 people by now more qualified than BB in judging his ability)
-You like football and hope someday to be a reporter
-You think NFL teams sometimes may morons to run the show, so why can't you be right.

Again, you have every opportunity to show the extensive analysis behind your opinion. Then, if it approaches the level of what BB has done, all thats left is to prove you are more football smart.