OT: Russell to get cut finally!! Is Al still running things down in OAK??

Disco Volante said:

Here's hoping their minicamp is catered.

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...or some poor rookie gets eaten for lunch

Deus Irae said:

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Hilarious!

TrueBeliever said:

Found this article that poses the question on everybody's mind:

Bigger NFL Draft Bust: JaMarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf? | The Big Lead

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From the comments: Jamarcus the Fail Whale

Sums his "career" up perfectly.

BradyFTW! said:

Campbell's a league-average QB. Not great, not bad. Just by not sucking in unprecedented fashion, he's an enormous upgrade over Russell. And he's better than Gradkowski and Frye, who the Raiders were winning games behind last year.

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Skins at the other 21 positions are still better than the Raiders and Campbell couldnt win a game to save his life last year.
Russell gives you stats to show you he can't win in this league, Campbell pads his stats while losing to make it less obvious.
Raiders won't win more than 5 games

Well, the other shoe has finally dropped:

Raiders admit epic bust, release '07 No. 1 overall pick Russell - NFL - CBSSports.com Football

Wonder if it's a coincidence the news came out just moments after the Lawrence Taylor story broke?

Al really wants next year's first round pick to be a low one. Fortunately Cable is stil the coach of that team and he's likely to break his new QBs jaw.

My favorite part of the JaMarcus Era was in '08; the Raiders won 5 games. Four of the five opposing coaches were fired after the season; Eric Manghini, Mike Shannahan, Herm Edwards, and Jon Gruden. One could argue they were fired, in part, for losing to JaMarcus. Gruden Esecially.

I think Jamarcus...



Got kidnapped, arranged by his fat evil brother..



Jamal.

Who then took his place...

Without question the biggest bust of all time!

PatsFanStnfrd said:

Without question the biggest bust of all time!

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No this is so wrong.

Guy is only 24 years old, its way, way too early to call him a bust. Also there have been many busts before but young people don't know about a lot of them.

eagle eye said:

No this is so wrong.

Guy is only 24 years old, its way, way too early to call him a bust. Also there have been many busts before but young people don't know about a lot of them.

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He's done.


And if he magically comes back and wins a starting QB spot, I will be INFINITELY surprised.

Scouse Patriot said:

I think Jamarcus...

Got kidnapped, arranged by his fat evil brother..

Jamal.

Who then took his place...

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haha that comparison is ridiculous

Brady2Welker said:

He's done.


And if he magically comes back and wins a starting QB spot, I will be INFINITELY surprised.

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I'm not defending the guy, there is nothing to like about what he had done so far and his attitude is terrible by all accounts but,

I remember he made some stupid comments and apparently lost the locker room and then in the next game the pass rushers get to him very easily twice in a row. Gradkowski replaced him and suddenly that line got a lot better which lead me to believe that there might have been some malice involved and with Tom Cable as the head coach nothing would surprise me.

If the guy was not happy there and its quite easy to believe something like that with Cable's recent history then the guy might actually give it a go somewhere else in an environment that enourages him along.

eagle eye said:

I'm not defending the guy, there is nothing to like about what he had done so far and his attitude is terrible by all accounts but,

I remember he made some stupid comments and apparently lost the locker room and then in the next game the pass rushers get to him very easily twice in a row. Gradkowski replaced him and suddenly that line got a lot better which lead me to believe that there might have been some malice involved and with Tom Cable as the head coach nothing would surprise me.

If the guy was not happy there and its quite easy to believe something like that with Cable's recent history then the guy might actually give it a go somewhere else in an environment that enourages him along.

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Nice write up eagle eye, if my understanding is correct, the Raiders are not at the top of the list when it comes to coaching staff and leadership in the FO, something all to familiar to N.E. . This kid may do something in a better run FO like N.E.

Look at Matt Stafford, not a great year compounded with a knee and shoulder injury because of a rotten line, in year one, wonder if he'll survive to be any good. The browns have killed so many "could be good" QB's, and destroyed their careers, because of bad protection,play calling,and FO leadership. God help you Colt McCoy.

I do think this kid is done as a #1 QB. Didn't Leaf stay in the NFL for 15 years or something as a second?

At the moment he probably only has 2 options. A sumo wrestler in japan, where weight is not and issue, or as an anchor for the QE2.

PatsFanStnfrd said:

Without question the biggest bust of all time!

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Well, I wouldn't go that far. Ryan Leaf still holds that title, with Tony Mandarich in second place, IMHO.

The difference is I don't think a lot of people outside Oakland expected him to amount to much. Course lately I've been hearing that a lot of people said Leaf wouldn't amount to much in the NFL either, I'm wondering how much of that is 20/20 hindsight.

But I wouldn't be surprised if someone signs him. Like they said on PTI, here's a number one overall QB who your team can have for next to nothing, someone will take a chance on him (though they'd have to be insane to make him a starter.)

pherein said:

Didn't Leaf stay in the NFL for 15 years or something as a second?

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I think you're thinking of Rick Mirer. Leaf was out of the league in 4 or 5 years, IIRC.

TrueBeliever said:

Well, I wouldn't go that far. Ryan Leaf still holds that title, with Tony Mandarich in second place, IMHO.

The difference is I don't think a lot of people outside Oakland expected him to amount to much. Course lately I've been hearing that a lot of people said Leaf wouldn't amount to much in the NFL either, I'm wondering how much of that is 20/20 hindsight.

But I wouldn't be surprised if someone signs him. Like they said on PTI, here's a number one overall QB who your team can have for next to nothing, someone will take a chance on him (though they'd have to be insane to make him a starter.)

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He was slightly better than Leaf...believe it or not!

Russell: 354 attempts 680 completions 52.1% completion percentage 23 INTs and 18 TDs in 31 games with 25 starts.

Leaf: 317 attempts 655 completions 48.4% completion percentage 36 INTs and 14 TDs in 25 games with 21 starts.

efin98 said:

He was slightly better than Leaf...believe it or not!

Russell: 354 attempts 680 completions 52.1% completion percentage 23 INTs and 18 TDs in 31 games with 25 starts.

Leaf: 317 attempts 655 completions 48.4% completion percentage 36 INTs and 14 TDs in 25 games with 21 starts.

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The bigger problem with Leaf is the other QB he was drafted in front of.

I still think it's Leaf in a landslide. Keep in mind what San Diego gave up when they traded up to draft Leaf. To move from #3 in the 1998 draft to #2, they gave Arizona:

Their 1st round pick in the 1998 draft (#3)
Their 2nd round pick in the 1998 draft
Their 1st round pick in the 1999 draft
Eric Metcalf
Patrick Sapp

makoute said:

The bigger problem with Leaf is the other QB he was drafted in front of.

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1 1 Peyton Manning
1 2 Ryan Leaf
2 60 Charlie Batch
3 86 Jonathan Quinn
3 91 Brian Griese
6 187 Matt Hasselbeck
7 232 Moses Moreno

Hasselbeck's been good and all, but he's never won a Super Bowl or been looked at as a truly great all-time sort of QB.