Breer: Hernandez failed drug tests

Joker said:

he did?...and you have hard copy proof of this?

and "stay off the stuff???"...where do you live, Sunnybrook Farm, Rebecca???...uh...see all those NFL players on every single team with those LONG DREADLOCKS? Hundreds and hundreds of players...see them? Dreadlocks...you know...signifying Rastafarian culture, the central theme being smoking marijuana? You actually think THEY are marijuana free but this rookie has a drug problem????? Hello blind...meet naive.

I don't use hemp. Know plenty of people who do. Could care less about it. The ONLY actually deleterious thing about it is its' illegal still, although that is changing slowly across the U.S.

This scurrilous journalism attempting to besmirch a defenseless kid and brand him as "bad" using the "evil weed" and "that stuff" right wing wacko tactic is sickening. As long as the kid isn't injecting steroids, popping amphetamines and smoking crack, I coulkd care less if he gets loose with a six pack OR a joint.

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Wow. Evidently my post hit a very sensitive button with you. Hang in there, Jack

If you read my post anywhere coherently, you would see that I could care less about marijuana. However, evidently the NFL GM's who make the picks DO. THAT'S the story.

Think for a second: Hernandez won the freaking Mackey Award for the best TE in college last year......and he fell to the 4th round behind how many other TE's who didn't.

You ask for "proof"???? Did you NOT read the Breer link? Here's a piece that makes it a little bit obvious for the rest of us, Joker:
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"According to sources with three NFL teams, the Florida product’s precipitous fall was because of multiple failed drug tests for marijuana as a collegian.

Hernandez was open about his marijuana use at the Scouting Combine in February. “He admits to it,’’ said one longtime NFL executive who interviewed him there.

“It’s good he did that,’’ said a college scouting official from one AFC team. “But it was enough to scare people so that he fell through three rounds.’’
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Here's another example from a SOURCE CLOSE TO HERNANDEZ (aka, friend or agent):
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"A source close to Hernandez said to his knowledge, the tight end failed just one drug test at Florida, in February 2008, but conceded the player’s marijuana use had been a problem and was the PRIMARY REASON FOR HISD FALL DOWN THE DRAFT BOARD" (caps mine).
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Need anymore obvious "proof", Sherlock?

So OBVIOUSLY, Joker, the test results showing marijuana had a measurable result in his DRAFT POSITION. It is what it is. I was making absolutely ZERO value judgements about the pros and cons of marijuana. Whatever the case, the folks who decide which player to take DID. Good for the Patriots - - they got a steal---as long as the NFL allows him to play in the future (once again, not MY value judgement, but the NFL makes the decision, ok?). In order for him to stay on the field (the only thing here I care about) he has to stay off the stuff. I would have used the same word "stuff" had it been Tylenol, High Fructose Corn Syrup or Wheaties.

The term "stuff" should not have sent you over the ledge, son.

The issue is not drug use, it is lack of ability to understand the consequences of his actions. One failed test would have never leaked out. He was tested and failed many times, and so he knowingly cost himself millions of dollars over some weed. College kid, sure... I'll cut him some slack, but it does make you worry a little.

Would he cost himself millions more in the future, let down his teammates, and miss games? I hope not.

I have no problem with anyone smoking weed, unless they chose a line of work where they are not allowed to continue to work if they fail a test for it, and in so doing let down a great many people. I would imagine that NFL testing for pot is on a fairly well-known schedule, so he avoids future issues, given that the stakes are high (i.e. he has a very high-paying job).

And btw, Joker, if you think marijuana tests have no meaning to an NFL team, just ask the Miami Dolphins about Ricky Williams.

THIS is the subject. How it affects a player's eligibility to get on the field in the NFL. If the league office won't allow him on the field, then he's useless.

That's all.

Anyone trying to turn that OBJECTIVE point into a referendum about marijuana in general is trying too hard.

sorry...I misconstrued your use of the word "stuff". In this day and age,a person using that term suggests a basic naivete on the order of a Stepford wife....as far as I'm concerned. BTW, I'm not your "son". I'm 58, a vet of the Nam, 2 tours and well acquainted with the vagaries of drug use.

I've lost my first girlfriend and a close family relative to drunk drivers since 1971, yet all I see in the 80's, 90's and 21st century is this "Partnership For A Drug Free America" trying to demonize the "evil stuff" as a major contributor to this carnage, when it is a well known FACT, F-A-C-T, that alcohol is a direct and MAJOR reason behind 50,000 + deaths on our roadways every year. Furthermore, my father, my older brother Bob and three cousins are former or present R.I. State Troopers. If they had their way,drinking "hootch" would be subject to testing rather than "the stuff".Yes, you'll get arrested for possession of the "stuff" in quantity today, but the major emphasis of law enforcement on our roadways is to get the drunk off the road and keep him off. So excuse me if I think "failing" a "stuff" test in this day and age is ridiculous. If this is indeed a serious problem then every single potential NFL player should be tested for ALCOHOL before the draft and any offenders should suffer the same fate as the "stuff" users.

Oh wait.....gee golly whiz...then there'd be like what...two or three prospects left to draft in the first three rounds?

Definite red flag where Hernandez is concerned. Not so much with him enjoying the odd toke but with him seemingly not knowing that it's unwise to continue puffing while readying to secure his future.

If he can't keep from smoking pot when he has most to lose (NFL career and the millions of $ that comes with it) then I wonder what he'd be like when he's financially set?

Sorry to hear of your loss, Joker.

just heard that one GM in the NFL said one third of his draft board has been reported to have used "stuff". Just now on WEEI. Maybe our resident "Man Of La Munchies" can go investigate and then castigate THESE "stuff" users.

and BTW, if he tests for weed up here as a member of the Pats,sure, I'd cut him. I just have a HUGE problem with a Breer suggesting multiple failed tests when there's a record of only one and the veiled yet serious attempt to undermine the future of this "young" man. As anyone can see, it's brings out the "stuff" hysterics all over the country and focuses unwanted and unneeded attention, ala the Spygate crap, on OUR football club.

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:

The issue is not drug use, it is lack of ability to understand the consequences of his actions. One failed test would have never leaked out. He was tested and failed many times, and so he knowingly cost himself millions of dollars over some weed. College kid, sure... I'll cut him some slack, but it does make you worry a little.

Would he cost himself millions more in the future, let down his teammates, and miss games? I hope not.

I have no problem with anyone smoking weed, unless they chose a line of work where they are not allowed to continue to work if they fail a test for it, and in so doing let down a great many people. I would imagine that NFL testing for pot is on a fairly well-known schedule, so he avoids future issues, given that the stakes are high (i.e. he has a very high-paying job).

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Exactly.
Only time will tell if this young man decides to put the pleasures of 'wacky tabackee' ahead of his career and the welfare of his team. I'm rooting for him to succeed. Hopefully, the NFL and the team has meaningfull credible sessions counceling young players about the dangers of alchol, drugs and inapprppriate posses, etc.

Joker said:

just heard that one GM in the NFL said one third of his draft board has been reported to have used "stuff". Just now on WEEI. Maybe our resident "Man Of La Munchies" can go investigate and then castigate THESE "stuff" users.

and BTW, if he tests for weed up here as a member of the Pats,sure, I'd cut him. I just have a HUGE problem with a Breer suggesting multiple failed tests when there's a record of only one and the veiled yet serious attempt to undermine the future of this "young" man. As anyone can see, it's brings out the "stuff" hysterics all over the country and focuses unwanted and unneeded attention, ala the Spygate crap, on OUR football club.

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Well said.

Joker said:

just heard that one GM in the NFL said one third of his draft board has been reported to have used "stuff". Just now on WEEI. Maybe our resident "Man Of La Munchies" can go investigate and then castigate THESE "stuff" users.

and BTW, if he tests for weed up here as a member of the Pats,sure, I'd cut him. I just have a HUGE problem with a Breer suggesting multiple failed tests when there's a record of only one and the veiled yet serious attempt to undermine the future of this "young" man. As anyone can see, it's brings out the "stuff" hysterics all over the country and focuses unwanted and unneeded attention, ala the Spygate crap, on OUR football club.

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The only thing that counts in this sphere is whether or not he can get onto the field.

For that reason, and for that reason only, he fell to the 4th round. Eevn a source close to him said that was the reason why the Pats got such a great talent in the 4th round.

Keep whatever politics and family history out of it. We got a steal in the fourth round as long as he stays on the right side of whatever NFL rules currently govern.

Simple as that, capiche?

Patspsycho said:

Make sure he doesn't end up with Kevin Faulk's jacket!

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Or he doesn't room with Tate.
A stoner is a stoner. You are not going to get them to quit. In retrospect perhaps Griffin was the better move. Kind of disappointing but then BB can't point any fingers because some kid is smoking dope.

I say IMO if he is off that crap and they check him at least once a week for 52, let him contribute and applaud his change in life philosophy. If he checks positive for the crap....see ya.

That's all we need is another stupid pot head. When you retire, toke one the size of a bridge abutment and you can be "Far Out Man" Super Hero. To wait until you retire, that is a "smart stoner" and then you have the money to upgrade to hash or rocks. Dope cost this kid a few million. He obviously didn't care (oh yeah...I almost forgot....it is not addictive!). It's called consequences.

So what you Cousins are saying is we can use an Olympic swimmer as a role model for dope? Anybody have a "You Tube" of him doing crack yet? What some are saying is praise "Mr.Swimmer"? What am I missing? He needed a 2 X 4 stuffed up his anal pore. College kid or not. Let's not give Hernandez a free pass because some other moron smoked dope.

To do drugs while you know you have to pass tests, that is a stupid pot head.

Just so I get this strait with some of you; You praise a kid that lost millions of dollars because he is addicted to Dope and you take a kid like Tebow who made that stoners' career and make Tebow a villain because he believes in a Christian way of life and has the "sack" to follow it through day by day? As far as I know he has not baptized anyone, made a statement that he can change water to wine or converted Josh, Pat Bowlen and the rest of the Bronco squad. Apparently he did not do a bang up job changing the life of his favorite Gator target yet everyone wants to condemn him as his life style being offensive to some.

But this is about Hernandez and although I am disappointed about his affliction, I hope he straitens his life out and becomes a productive NFL player.

DW Toys

Jakelithurdz said:

A+ Sunoco on 140 a mile off of RT. 1

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Yeah that makes sense. that's on the way to 95 south where most of them live- a number of them live in Attleboro if I'm not wrong.

Patspsycho said:

Yeah that makes sense. that's on the way to 95 south where most of them live- a number of them live in Attleboro if I'm not wrong.

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Yeah I see a Patriots player occasionally. Pretty much all of the ones I've met seemed to be nice guys.

As I said earlier, I can assure you that MANY, and I mean MANY of them smoke pot. Then again, it is the offseason so I guess it's not really a big deal if they're just minding their own business and staying out of trouble.

As long as it's not Coke, PCP, Heroin, Performance enhancers, OC, ETC. You know failed drug test's worth reporting on...who cares.

DW Toys said:

Or he doesn't room with Tate.
A stoner is a stoner. You are not going to get them to quit. In retrospect perhaps Griffin was the better move. Kind of disappointing but then BB can't point any fingers because some kid is smoking dope.

I say IMO if he is off that crap and they check him at least once a week for 52, let him contribute and applaud his change in life philosophy. If he checks positive for the crap....see ya.

That's all we need is another stupid pot head. When you retire, toke one the size of a bridge abutment and you can be "Far Out Man" Super Hero. To wait until you retire, that is a "smart stoner" and then you have the money to upgrade to hash or rocks. Dope cost this kid a few million. He obviously didn't care (oh yeah...I almost forgot....it is not addictive!). It's called consequences.

So what you Cousins are saying is we can use an Olympic swimmer as a role model for dope? Anybody have a "You Tube" of him doing crack yet? What some are saying is praise "Mr.Swimmer"? What am I missing? He needed a 2 X 4 stuffed up his anal pore. College kid or not. Let's not give Hernandez a free pass because some other moron smoked dope.

To do drugs while you know you have to pass tests, that is a stupid pot head.

Just so I get this strait with some of you; You praise a kid that lost millions of dollars because he is addicted to Dope and you take a kid like Tebow who made that stoners' career and make Tebow a villain because he believes in a Christian way of life and has the "sack" to follow it through day by day? As far as I know he has not baptized anyone, made a statement that he can change water to wine or converted Josh, Pat Bowlen and the rest of the Bronco squad. Apparently he did not do a bang up job changing the life of his favorite Gator target yet everyone wants to condemn him as his life style being offensive to some.

But this is about Hernandez and although I am disappointed about his affliction, I hope he straitens his life out and becomes a productive NFL player.

DW Toys

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So did you want Kevin Faulk cut?

What does nearly every 20 something pro football player have in common with nearly every other dude their age? At the end of a long ass day, they like to smoke a little weed and play madden with a few friends. The NFL is not unlike many organizations that test for drugs randomly. Do the math, don't be stupid, and you won't get caught. I think really all anyone cares about is him being able to play at a high level and not get suspended.

But hey, instead of the chosen delivery method and Madden he could be in a club slapping a chick, knocking up a stranger, or having casual bathroom rape sessions.

Afterlifemobile-86 said:

As long as it's not Coke, PCP, Heroin, Performance enhancers, OC, ETC. You know failed drug test's worth reporting on...who cares.

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As long as the NFL rules state that he would be suspended for it, it means something.

Improper camera placement by teams means something too - - as we all painfully know.

Stop the demagoguery about marijuana for crying out loud folks.

If it means that the Patriots are effected materially, then it is important here.

No matter whether we agree or not - - whether it's marijuana or camera placement.

Unbelievable how some people get so touchy about marijuana when all we are saying is that it is materially important to the Patriots if it keeps an asset out of action. That's all folks - - it's not a referendum about pot, honestly. I still think the whole camera-gate thing was unbelievably stupid and blown out of proportion, but the rule is thre rule and it AFFECTED the Patriots, so I would expect the Pats to be cognizant of it.

That's it.

Hernandez speaks...

Says is it was a one time violation and the reports of multiple violations were inaccurate.

Extra Points - New England Patriots News and Analysis - Boston.com

shmessy said:

The only thing that counts in this sphere is whether or not he can get onto the field.

For that reason, and for that reason only, he fell to the 4th round.[/.b] Eevn a source close to him said that was the reason why the Pats got such a great talent in the 4th round.

Keep whatever politics and family history out of it. We got a steal in the fourth round as long as he stays on the right side of whatever NFL rules currently govern.

Simple as that, capiche?

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1)obviously, as I stated at the start,Breer exaggerated/lied about the number of flunked tests.In fact, after this has been categorically denied by the young man, Breer is branded an outright LIAR...unless one of the legions of agenda driven harpies that take his every word as gospel comes to his defense with hard copy proof.

2)the FACT there is a politics of contraband and the fact that my family history exacerbates a counterpoint to this "stuff' hysteria that has been vomited up in this thread is good enough reason to include it in the discussion and I will not be scared off by any heavy handed board nazi throwing veiled Mafia threats my way.

slash83 said:

Hernandez speaks...

Says is it was a one time violation and the reports of multiple violations were inaccurate.

Extra Points - New England Patriots News and Analysis - Boston.com

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The information straight from the horse's mouth stated otherwise yet he still goes on to point out other sources with second and thirdhand information stating otherwise. There's a shock

Frankly the kid has no reason to lie and the team had one thing that every other team lacks- a good working relationship with the one guy who would know best down there next to the kid. If it was still an issue they would not have taken him.