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You're right, but every move the Jets make is called stupid or to much of a gamble. I'm sorry people, but Holmes for a fifth is a very good move.

I hate the jests more than anyone....but anyone that can't see Holmes for a 5th...is a rose colored glasses wearing homer. The jests just STOLE the guy....now my only question is what is the sanity level of the steelers front office? Lastly, how did BB and no other teams know this guy was available?....got to take off my hat to that fat, hot dog guzzling bastid Ryan.....
 
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I hate the jests more than anyone....but anyone that can't see Holmes for a 5th...is a rose colored glasses wearing homer. The jests just STOLE the guy....now my only question is what is the sanity level of the steelers front office? Lastly, how did BB and no other teams know this guy was available?....got to take off my hat to that fat, hot dog guzzling bastid Ryan.....

Which is what should start ringing the alarm bells in your head.

30 teams haven't made this deal. Not just the Pats. Do you not think the Steelers would have preferred to have traded him out of the conference?

The Steelers are as good a set of evaluators as there is in the league, how many picks do they really miss on? Bar Ben, the locker room is chock full of leaders and high character guys. Something is afoot.

I think from the Jets POV, this is very much a low risk high reward deal, if it doesn't work out they've lost a fifth round pick, no biggy. But I think the Steelers never had any intention of keeping him beyond this year, and they know more about him than anyone, and were delighted to get rid.
 
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Which is what should start ringing the alarm bells in your head.

30 teams haven't made this deal. Not just the Pats. Do you not think the Steelers would have preferred to have traded him out of the conference?
Out of the conference and also for a better draft choice. Yes it looks like a steal for the Jets but this doesn't mean the Steelers only talked to the Jets and this was all they offered; if means no-one else in the league offered more and, yes, that does say something.
 
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Well that sucks. I hope one of our games with the Jets is in that first 4 weeks.

On the bright side, the Steeler game should be a bit easier.

Another great move for the Jets.
 
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Once again, the Jets are having a great March and April, leading up to their inevitable Super Bowl run in September.

Are things different this year? There's no way we'll know that until January, but, for now, they're making a lot of moves that could make them better. If two or three of those moves pan out, things might well be different this time around.

Clearly, the pressure is on the organization from top down to "win now." Johnson alienated a lot of old time fans with the PSL's, Ryan is liked but walking on thin ice with the NY media and Sanchez is a question mark beyond his ability to hand the ball off and throw five to twelve yards down field. With an aging roster, a core that has been together for several years and a strike year looming, 2010 might well be "now or never" time for the Jets ("never" defined as "wait another six or seven years").
 
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Per Schefter on Twitter: Jets WR Santonio Holmes will be suspended the first four games, a league source said. So Jets will be without Holmes for opener and beyond.

Ergo the possibility exists that he will be suspended further if he so much as sneezes in the next 6-8 months. What comes after a 4 game suspension via substance abuse is a 1 year. Although the Commishioner can level anything else he wants if the next incident isn't substance abuse related. Like PacMan, Santonio will essentially be living under house arrest in the Big Apple because any incidents involving the law or women or the public - even absent formal charges being filed - and he will be gone for anywhere from 8 games to the rest of this season and part of the next...
 
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Great move and everyone will have the Jets as the favorites to win the AFC or even the Super Bowl, but when was the last time the preseason favorites actually won it all?

2009: Steelers, Giants, Patriots, and the Colts were certainly favored over the 8-8 Saints
2008: Cowboys, Chargers, Patriots; the 2 supposedly "most talented teams" and the Pats easily overshadowed the Steelers
2007: Patriots (sigh); NO ONE saw the Giants winning the Super Bowl

Again, it's definitely a steal and a great move, but I'm really not too worried.
 
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I hate the jests more than anyone....but anyone that can't see Holmes for a 5th...is a rose colored glasses wearing homer. The jests just STOLE the guy....now my only question is what is the sanity level of the steelers front office? Lastly, how did BB and no other teams know this guy was available?....got to take off my hat to that fat, hot dog guzzling bastid Ryan.....

I've read 10x pages here and have yet to see a single person say this was a bad deal, so the real question is, why all the bashing of "homers" who don't even exist? And why are we following Jets trolls in disguise?
 
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Big Ben tweeted:

It looks like I'm not the only one doing all the raping
 
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Which is what should start ringing the alarm bells in your head.

30 teams haven't made this deal. Not just the Pats. Do you not think the Steelers would have preferred to have traded him out of the conference?

The Steelers are as good a set of evaluators as there is in the league, how many picks do they really miss on? Bar Ben, the locker room is chock full of leaders and high character guys. Something is afoot.

I think from the Jets POV, this is very much a low risk high reward deal, if it doesn't work out they've lost a fifth round pick, no biggy. But I think the Steelers never had any intention of keeping him beyond this year, and they know more about him than anyone, and were delighted to get rid.

Bad PR. I'll say it again.
 
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poeple have to stop realizing that it's the quality of picks not the number of contributors you draft that count. the jets didn't have many picks last year but they took Sanchez and Shonn Greene. Those two players carried them into the AFCCG. Therefore, the Jets draft was BETTER last year than ours.

I like Darius Butler, Chung, Vllmer, Edelman and Pryor more than Shonn Greene.

Sanchez we have no use for.

Greene is not all that he's cracked up to be. An average NFL back, that's it. Watch Thomas Jones crater this year. He was MADE by the Jets OL, a fantastic OL that is basically top 5 in the league. Put Greene on 20 other teams and he's middling. I'm not knocking the kid since I loved him at Iowa. He's got a lot of wiggle. But he runs a 4.6 40. In other words, he's Chester Taylor redux.
 
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I'd still take Moss-Edelman-Aiken over Holmes-Cotchery-Edwards....but not by much.

Are you kidding...
 
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The Steelers have been one of the model organizations for a long time. The Jets haven't won squat since Namath. If the Steelers are saying it's worth getting this guy outta here for next to nothing, it's probably going to end up not being a good move for the Jets.

Sirius NFL Network this morning is saying he's being suspended 4 games for substance abuse, not the other legal issue. If he's failed a drug test now for at least the second time, he's a problem.

B. Edwards was a problem in Cleveland, a bit of a head case, and now is a Jet. Chromartie was a problem in SD, a bit of a head case, and now is a Jet. Holmes was a problem in Pittsburgh, a bit of a head case, and now is a Jet.

The trade seems good on paper, but these moves don't usually pay off. That disfuctional locker room thing is a recipe for disaster, and can bring the most talented teams down.

I say the Jets had a good thing going, and now have actively traded for three other teams problems. One was bad enough. Two would have been worse. But, THREE? This could backfire BIG TIME!

Cromartie wasn't a headcase or a problem on the team in SD, he had off-the-field issues because he doesn't know how to wrap up his baby-maker, but wasn't a problem in the locker room.

You can say the same either about Holmes or Edwards, both were well respected in the locker rooms.

Sure, they have blemishes, and I think in Holmes case it was a missed test, not a failed test, either way, it is why the Jets were able to get the player.

The Holmes situation is unique because Rooney and the Steeler organization prides themselves on having a squeaky clean image, the Jets were the benefactor of a team trying to clean up a massive PR nightmare in the wake of the Rothlesberger and Holmes cases, thing is, they presented themselves with a doublestandard.

And Pats fans shouldn't be spinning the whole "locker room cancer" issue, Belichick himself took chances and was able to benefit in similar situations when they traded for Moss and Dillon, and others.

Sure, the move the Jets have made are risks, but they are low risks given the compensation spent, and the rewards is potentially off the charts.

Keep in mind that the Jets hold the leverage with some of these players and their contract situations.

As for the locker room spin, you clearly don't know how tight the current Jets locker room is, that is why Tannenbaum is making these moves, they have some high quality guys leading that locker room, the chemistry angle doesn't make sense either, the Jets aren't bringing in guys with egos, they are bringing in highly talented players who in most cases are looking for a change in scenery, these aren't guys that are going to disrupt the leaders already present in the Jets locker room, they are guys who are going to look around at guys like Jenkins, Revis, Harris, Cotchery, Scott, Faneca, Mangold, Tomlinson, and the list goes on that are the leaders on this team and already have a work ethic in place.

In players like Tomlinson and potentially Taylor, you're talking about high quality NFL players, both potential HOF players who can still play, in LT, a guy that is younger than Jones, who are both very hungry to win a championship.

You can't deny that players love playing for Ryan, he had this in Baltimore, and it is already evident with the Jets, this guy knows how to lead a team, and how to get the most of out of his guys. It is why LT is now on the team, and why Taylor, who once laughed at even the notion of being on the team is seriously considering just that.
 
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Re: Steelers ship Santonio to the Jets

I got nothing.

Yeah, I can't figure out the basis for that statement either. A team that hasn't won the division in eons isn't the best, period.
 
Re: Steelers ship Santonio to the Jets

I'd take Volmer and Butler on the Jets any day.

Relax Pats fans you have Brady and the guy who may still be the best HC in the league.

You have more sense than half the Patriots fans here.

And yes, Holmes came very cheaply for you guys, and the reason why is that your owner doesn't mind the really bad PR from someone who has trouble with women.
 
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Rex Ryan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phillips and Turner combined

I knew that Rex Ryan was a huge pantload but thanks for putting it into perspective.
 
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Damn, I was liking the one month timeline ;)

How often are NFL pot tests, and are they random or scheduled? And after a 4 game suspension, will he have to do more testing or anything?

It all depends on what they're testing. Your pee, it's out quickly, in a couple weeks.

Blood it stays for months.

Hair for 6 months.
 
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It all depends on what they're testing. Your pee, it's out quickly, in a couple weeks.

Blood it stays for months.

Hair for 6 months.

I'm guessing they do a blood test since thy check for steroids, etc.
 
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The Jets are taking lady liberty's admonition to heart. Their object being to make a backpage splash - which equates to relevance in the Big Apple - one way or another:

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

This is as valid an approach as any I guess when you haven't won a damn thing in 40 years and counting...
 
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As someone somewhere else pointed out, doesn't this trade make BB look even better for finagling a first for Deion Branch when Branch was holding out?
 
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