OT: Jets going after Jason Taylor HARD

Rob0729 said:

D'Brickishaw Ferguson is the most overrated player on the Jets. Good, not great run blocker and mediocre pass blocker. The fact that the overall Jets' line is great, he gets credit for it. But there is a reason why the Jets run to the right side of the line more than twice as much as they run to the left.

Keller has worlds of talent, but is like Ben Watson. He is far too inconsistent. He can be Antonio Gates like one game and then go several games where he is invisible. Blame the gameplan all you want, but with Sanchez struggling all season he needed a consistent dump off outlet and he wasn't open.

As for Harris vs. Mayo, the jury is still out. Last year, the world would have taken Mayo over Harris in a heartbeat. Why? Because like Mayo this year, Harris had a disapointing second season largely due to injuries.

The jury is still out on Sanchez. He has shown some flashes of brilliance, but overall his performance last year was very, very subpar for the fifth overall pick. I know it was his rookie season, but he was awful until the Jets made a conscious effort to take the ball out of his hands and made him a game manager who handed the ball off 30 plus times a game and passed for 19 or less passes.

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Keller has one career game with over 100 receiving yards, and 0 career games with multiple TDs. He's had exactly one Gates-like performance in his career, which was in a 47-3 win over a Rams team that was damn near the worst in the league.

BradyFTW! said:

Keller has one career game with over 100 receiving yards, and 0 career games with multiple TDs. He's had exactly one Gates-like performance in his career, which was in a 47-3 win over a Rams team that was damn near the worst in the league.

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Hey, I was being generous. He is similiar to Watson to me. Lots of talent and not a lot of production to equal that talent.

Rob0729 said:

The Jets line is so good that Jones was a great RB before Ferguson, Mangold, Faneca, and Woody because he knew that those guys would eventually block for him. You do realize that last year was Jones' fifth consecutive year of 1,100 or more yards and he has has had 1,200 or more yards for four of those 5. And he was only a Jet for three of those years and the Jets line as constituted today has only been together for two of those years. In fact, his second most yards in a season over the last five years was with the Bears (in 2005, he had 1335 yards and 9 TDs). That's how great the Jets line is that they made him a good on other teams before he even became a Jet.

That's how misinformed the Jets fans are about their own players. They need to be schooled on their own players (or former players) by people who have had no vested interest in the player whatsover.

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You choose to leave out that in 2007 when the Jets line was horrible Jones averaged 3.6 yards per carry with one touchdown. He was horrible that year. His stats for 2 years in NY and 2 years in Chicago look very good but it doesn't tell the entire story. The guy goes down on first contact and he needs a great offensive line to get yards. He currently does not have the speed or burst then an NFL running back needs to have. Great running backs don't play for 5 different teams.

TJ was a solid player, great leader but at 32 years old he's not worth 5 million dollars a year.

Mangold74 said:

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3) The Atlanta game was a bad loss, but thats what happens when you start a rookie qb. Sanchez by himself lost a number of games. The Jets made the decision to go with a rookie qb rather then signing a veteran. Sanchez killed them against New Orleans, New England, Buffalo and Atlanta. 15 of his interceptions came in 4 games. Sanchez was the main reason why the Jets didn't win 10+ games. If they had brought in a decent veteran qb their defense was so good that they would have easily won 10 games.

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See, now I'm confused. On one hand, you keep bringing up Sanchez as proof of how awesome Tannenbaum is at drafting, then OTOH you're claiming that he pretty much single-handedly murdered the Jets last year. Which is it? Or is Tannenbaum fantastic because he was able to turn the #5 pick into a terrible QB who will hopefully get better, but is by no means a guarantee to?

4) Thomas Jones was a product of the Jets line. If you give him a big hole he will get yards, but he doesn't like contact, never breaks a tackle and has zero value as a check down out of the backfield. The Jets decided they were better off paying Tomlinson for one year around $2 million then paying Thomas Jones 1 year for 5+ million. Tomlinson is not the primary back, he will not be on the field for 50 snaps. They brought him in as a role player and to help Sanchez develop. Tomlinson is not what he used to be, but for one year he can improve the Jets overall offense.

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Jones was a very good RB before the Jets signed him, so this whole notion that the Jets' line made him productive is dumb and easily disproven.

And no, Tomlinson will not improve the Jets' overall offense. He's a legitimately bad RB at this stage in his career. As someone who watched most of the Chargers' games last year out here in SoCal, I can attest to the fact that he flat-out sucks. He singlehandedly stalled the Chargers' offense whenever he was on the field, to the point that they turned him into a goal-line back because he couldn't make anyone miss but they couldn't bring themselves to bench him outright.

Sanchez was a good pick but the Jets rushed him into the starting lineup. He had some games where he showed that he has the potential to be an elite qb but he had other games where he looked like a rookie who only started 16 games in college.

I loved the pick but hated how they used him until late in the season. A veteran qb with the top defense and the best rushing game and as long as the qb keeps his turnovers low the Jets probably win 11 or 12 games.

Mangold74 said:

You choose to leave out that in 2007 when the Jets line was horrible Jones averaged 3.6 yards per carry with one touchdown. He was horrible that year. His stats for 2 years in NY and 2 years in Chicago look very good but it doesn't tell the entire story. The guy goes down on first contact and he needs a great offensive line to get yards. He currently does not have the speed or burst then an NFL running back needs to have. Great running backs don't play for 5 different teams.

TJ was a solid player, great leader but at 32 years old he's not worth 5 million dollars a year.

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Ummm.... Didn't leave out anything. I talked about over five years. Granted Ferguson, Mangold, Faneca, and Woody were all in Chicago in 2005 and 2006 (under assumed names mind you). You are also leaving out that the Jets line in 2007 was horrible. So bad that they went out and made major upgrades in it in 2008. Ferguson was considered a bust at that point too.

Sorry, so you are admitting you are wrong, but arguing you are right. You said that he was a product of the Jets' line and then admitting he had two good years in Chicago without that line. Then you are trying to qualify it.

Sorry, you are wrong. Jones does go down a lot on first contact, but he is also very good at making defenders miss him. Many great RBs run like that especially guys under 220lbs. That doesn't make him a bad RB, it is just a different style the guy who can run through blockers and are hard to bring down. Jones was a very RB before the Jets line.

Mangold74 said:

Sanchez was a good pick but the Jets rushed him into the starting lineup. He had some games where he showed that he has the potential to be an elite qb but he had other games where he looked like a rookie who only started 16 games in college.

I loved the pick but hated how they used him until late in the season. A veteran qb with the top defense and the best rushing game and as long as the qb keeps his turnovers low the Jets probably win 11 or 12 games.

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He very well might end up being a good pick, but you can't reasonably make that declaration after the season that he just had. Just this decade, about a dozen more-accomplished college QBs with similar pro prospects have completely flamed out. There's no such thing as a sure thing at QB, and until/unless he actually produces on the field, the best you can say about that pick is that the jury's still out on it.

Mangold74 said:

Sanchez was a good pick but the Jets rushed him into the starting lineup. He had some games where he showed that he has the potential to be an elite qb but he had other games where he looked like a rookie who only started 16 games in college.

I loved the pick but hated how they used him until late in the season. A veteran qb with the top defense and the best rushing game and as long as the qb keeps his turnovers low the Jets probably win 11 or 12 games.

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So you hated how they used him until they basically used him to hand off the ball all game and throw on a rare occassion?!? The Trent Dilfer style of playing QB? So you are saying that Sanchez is best used as a hand off guy?

Rob0729 said:

Ummm.... Didn't leave out anything. I talked about over five years. Granted Ferguson, Mangold, Faneca, and Woody were all in Chicago in 2005 and 2006 (under assumed names mind you). You are also leaving out that the Jets line in 2007 was horrible. So bad that they went out and made major upgrades in it in 2008. Ferguson was considered a bust at that point too.

Sorry, so you are admitting you are wrong, but arguing you are right. You said that he was a product of the Jets' line and then admitting he had two good years in Chicago without that line. Then you are trying to qualify it.

Sorry, you are wrong. Jones does go down a lot on first contact, but he is also very good at making defenders miss him. Many great RBs run like that especially guys under 220lbs. That doesn't make him a bad RB, it is just a different style the guy who can run through blockers and are hard to bring down. Jones was a very RB before the Jets line.

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My point is that Jones is one of those backs that needs a very good line to be good. He is not a player that will make something from nothing. He's durable and doesn't fumble and if you make a hole, he will find it. As good as his stats are in those 4 seasons, he's just not that good. Not to mention that it would have cost almost 6 million dollars to keep him for one year. As a Pats fan you probably know that it's better to get rid of a guy one year early then one year late.

Mangold74 said:

As I've said before, the Patriots are still the team to beat in the division because of Brady. He's one of the top qb's of all time and he's still in his prime and the division still goes through Brady. But for any of you that want to blindly hate the Jets and not be a little concerned with what they've done the last 4 years just doesn't make any sense.

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Your rambling aside, you missed the entire point of my post. I have no problem with people saying that the Jets are a good team. I believe that. I have no problem with people saying that the Jets have a good chance to make the playoffs in 2010. Based on the schedule, I believe that as well. I have no problem with people saying that the Jets have some elite talent (Mangold and Revis in particular) and youngsters with high upside (Keller and Harris in particular). That is pretty hard to argue.

My problem is people who were burying the team less than 4 months ago saying that the team is an AFC favorite. If it wasn't true then, nothing that has happened since Christmas should have changed anything. If someone can show after the Atlanta game they thought the Jets would be on course for a Super Bowl appearance in 2010, their thinking would show some level of thoughtfulness and consistency. Crapping on the Jets then (or saying nothing) and then saying how obvious it should be to everyone the Jets are elite now is pure reactionary thinking. Meaning their opinion is subject to change weekly and thus is always correct...or always wrong, depending on how you look at it. Why should anyone listen to their analysis? And more importantly, why do they continue to offer it?

Mangold74 said:

My point is that Jones is one of those backs that needs a very good line to be good. He is not a player that will make something from nothing. He's durable and doesn't fumble and if you make a hole, he will find it. As good as his stats are in those 4 seasons, he's just not that good. Not to mention that it would have cost almost 6 million dollars to keep him for one year. As a Pats fan you probably know that it's better to get rid of a guy one year early then one year late.

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I can't remember the Bears line in 2005 and 2006, but I don't remember it being all that special. Virtually every back needs a very good line to be good. There aren't a ton of RBs who can find even the smallest hole and make something out of nothing.

Again, as for his cost vs. value, you are changing the argument. I am disputing the one statement that he was a product of the Jets' line and I proved you wrong.

Besides, how do you know that Shonn Greene isn't the product of the Jets line too and if Faneca and Woody start to show their ages or there are injuries on the line that his production won't be in the toilet? Greene hasn't even proven that he isn't just a few game wonder who benefitted from one banged up defensive line and gameplanning for Thomas who has a different running style.

From what I have read J Taylor is in NYC with his wife, yesterday they toured Florham Park and the new stadium.

Rex, Tannenbaum, and the Taylors had diner together, The Taylors requested Italian food.

Rob0729 said:

I can't remember the Bears line in 2005 and 2006, but I don't remember it being all that special. Virtually every back needs a very good line to be good. There aren't a ton of RBs who can find even the smallest hole and make something out of nothing.

Again, as for his cost vs. value, you are changing the argument. I am disputing the one statement that he was a product of the Jets' line and I proved you wrong.

Besides, how do you know that Shonn Greene isn't the product of the Jets line too and if Faneca and Woody start to show their ages or there are injuries on the line that his production won't be in the toilet? Greene hasn't even proven that he isn't just a few game wonder who benefitted from one banged up defensive line and gameplanning for Thomas who has a different running style.

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Anything is possible. I watched every Thomas Jones game with the Jets and I just think he's a compiler, average NFL back. I'm not saying he's bad, but at 32 years old it's time to move on.

The jury is still out on Greene. He looks great, but he has to show over 200+ carries that he's durable and can hold onto the ball. It a little scary to compare the initial burst of Greene to Jones. Once a guy loses that burse it's time to move on.

Gunnails said:

From what I have read J Taylor is in NYC with his wife, yesterday they toured Florham Park and the new stadium.

Rex, Tannenbaum, and the Taylors had diner together, The Taylors requested Italian food.

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Upon hearing rumors of their dinner plans, Olive Garden immediately suspended their Never Ending Pasta Bowl promotion.

Metaphors said:

Upon hearing rumors of their dinner plans, Olive Garden immediately suspended their Never Ending Pasta Bowl promotion.

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Post of the Day candidate.

Metaphors said:

Upon hearing rumors of their dinner plans, Olive Garden immediately suspended their Never Ending Pasta Bowl promotion.

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That's the funniest thing I've read in about a month.

Metaphors said:

Upon hearing rumors of their dinner plans, Olive Garden immediately suspended their Never Ending Pasta Bowl promotion.

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That was awesome.

Come on now.. Don't be so hard on Rexy.. He got the lap band procedure done..
He'd have to spend all day at Olive Garden to finish one bowl..

DaBruinz said:

Come on now.. Don't be so hard on Rexy.. He got the lap band procedure done..
He'd have to spend all day at Olive Garden to finish one bowl..

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He should be getting close to the point of getting off blended foods and eating solids again. Rex is probably well under 300 lbs by now.

I imagine that Rex is light enough to fly around NYC with Woody in his private helicopter with Tanny, and the Taylors.

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He should be getting close to the point of getting off blended foods and eating solids again. Rex is probably well under 300 lbs by now.

I imagine that Rex is light enough to fly around NYC with Woody in his private helicopter with Tanny, and the Taylors.

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That Helicopter can probably only get up about 50 feet in the air.