Maroney best goal-line back in AFC East

Deus Irae · Apr 2, 2010

SyN65 said:
LOL. I don't care about stats. Maroney got the majority of the carries at the goal line, and I don't remember him ever fighting into the end zone, he basically walked in - something any RB can do.

I'm not saying cut Maroney - but we need a "main" guy that can carry the ball 20 times a game and stop the RB committee BS.

Last year, there were only 4 running backs in the entire NFL that reached a full 20 carries per game:

Chris Johnson
Cedric Benson
Steven Jackson
Thomas Jones

That's it. There were 4 the year before:

Michael Turner
Adrian Peterson
Clinton Portis
Steven Jackson

In 2007, there were also 4:

Marshawn Lynch
Willie Parker
Clinton Portis
Edgerrin James

You have to go back to 2006 to find more than 4 running backs reaching 20 carries per game in a season. Furthermore, you have to go back to Corey Dillon, in 2004, to find a Super Bowl champion that had a running back reach 20 carries per game with them that season. The game's changed. Almost every single team in the NFL is now running some form of RBBC.

SyN65 · Apr 2, 2010

Deus Irae said:
Last year, there were only 4 running backs in the entire NFL that reached a full 20 carries per game:

Chris Johnson
Cedric Benson
Steven Jackson
Thomas Jones

That's it. There were 4 the year before:

Michael Turner
Adrian Peterson
Clinton Portis
Steven Jackson

In 2007, there were also 4:

Marshawn Lynch
Willie Parker
Clinton Portis
Edgerrin James

You have to go back to 2006 to find more than 4 running backs reaching 20 carries per game in a season. Furthermore, you have to go back to Corey Dillon, in 2004, to find a Super Bowl champion that had a running back reach 20 carries per game with them that season. The game's changed. Almost every single team in the NFL is now running some form of RBBC.

Hmmm...perhaps I should have clarified a bit. I'd like to get a true #1 RB that we can count on to carry the ball 15-20 times a game (if need be), someone we can rely on (not fumbling at the goal line...), and someone that can make big plays. Maroney isn't that guy.

As far as RBBC, I know almost every team does it in some way but the Pats rotated 4 RB's last year, 75% of which were over 30. I'd love to get some fresh young talent injected into the position.

Deus Irae · Apr 2, 2010

SyN65 said:
Hmmm...perhaps I should have clarified a bit. I'd like to get a true #1 RB that we can count on to carry the ball 15-20 times a game (if need be), someone we can rely on (not fumbling at the goal line...), and someone that can make big plays. Maroney isn't that guy.

You're bootstrapping your argument now. Prior to last season, Maroney had only fumbled once in his entire career, so pissing about the fumbles is simply disingenuous.

As for the 15 carries argument, Maroney averaged 14.2 carries per game in 2007. It seems to me that he'd be able to make an additional 0.8 carries per game than that in the future.

SyN65 said:
As far as RBBC, I know almost every team does it in some way but the Pats rotated 4 RB's last year, 75% of which were over 30. I'd love to get some fresh young talent injected into the position.

The age of the running backs is irrelevant. The effectiveness is what matters, and the Patriots running game has been generally effective when called upon since it went to the RBBC involving Maroney in 2006.

patsinthesnow · Apr 2, 2010

Maroney got 20+ carries 5 times last season and failed to rush for 100 yards all 5 times, not acceptable

HarkDawg · Apr 2, 2010

patsinthesnow said:
maroney got 20+ carries 5 times last season and failed to rush for 100 yards all 5 times, not acceptable

thank you!!!

patsinthesnow · Apr 2, 2010

HarkDawg said:
thank you!!!

This is just added proof. People say he doesn't get enough "carries, or oppurtunities" to rush for 100 yards. When he is given that oppurtunity, it fails.

This is a fact and a scary one: The last 20+ carry 100 yard patriot rusher? BJGE 2008....

eom · Apr 2, 2010

patsinthesnow said:
Maroney got 20+ carries 5 times last season and failed to rush for 100 yards all 5 times, not acceptable

so, you basically feel any rb that doesn't average at least 5.0 ypc sucks.

I think I would disagree.

ps

I see 4 games with 20+ carries ---- what were the 5 weeks?

eom · Apr 2, 2010

SyN65 said:
Hmmm...perhaps I should have clarified a bit. I'd like to get a true #1 RB that we can count on to carry the ball 15-20 times a game (if need be), someone we can rely on (not fumbling at the goal line...), and someone that can make big plays. Maroney isn't that guy.

As far as RBBC, I know almost every team does it in some way but the Pats rotated 4 RB's last year, 75% of which were over 30. I'd love to get some fresh young talent injected into the position.

after taylor went down early in the year maroney got at least two thirds of the carries in 6 of the following 9 games, while apparently getting benched for fumbling in the final couple.

he missed 2008, but the second half of 2007 they were feeding him the rock.

DaBruinz · Apr 3, 2010

patsinthesnow said:
Maroney got 20+ carries 5 times last season and failed to rush for 100 yards all 5 times, not acceptable

Let me get this straight. A RB is UNACCEPTABLE, in your eyes, unless he gets better than 5 YPC when getting 20+ carries. Guess you hate 99% of the RBs in the league, since MANY get the ball 20 times a game and don't break 100 yards.

BTW, Maroney only rushed 20+ times last year FOUR times. Not FIVE.

Those FOUR times were against MIAMI on 11/08, The NYJ on 11/22, Carolina on 12/13, and Buffalo on 12/20.

I still find it funny that people like yourself still have issues with Maroney even though Belichick called out the O-line last year as being inconsistent.

Yes, Maroney had some fumbling problems at the end of the year, but one of them was clearly a TD and not a fumble. The Ref was too stupid to acknowledge it though.

BTW, where are all the people calling for the Pats to AX Taylor because he had a fumble in a critical situation?? Or to AX MORRIS since he can't even get a single yard in a running formation on 2 straight downs.

You people have such silly double standards, yet you refuse to admit it.

DaBruinz · Apr 3, 2010

patsinthesnow said:
This is just added proof. People say he doesn't get enough "carries, or oppurtunities" to rush for 100 yards. When he is given that oppurtunity, it fails.

This is a fact and a scary one: The last 20+ carry 100 yard patriot rusher? BJGE 2008....

You can't even do your home work properly and get actual facts.

The last 20+ carry 100 yard patriot rusher was Fred Taylor in 2009 against Atlanta. He had 21 carries for 105 yards.

Also, the game that BJGE got his 20+ carries for 100+ yards was against the lowly BILLS.

patsfan-1982 · Apr 3, 2010

he had 20 + att in 4 games and averaged 83 yerds in dose games that would be 1328 yerds over 16 games and would put him in the top 10 in rushing yerds.

maroney, is the only RB on the roster with any thing left in the tank. he dose not eat up a lot of cap space. anyone that thinks taylor, or morris, are better backs at this point are realy just kidding them selfs. so untill the pats get a upgrade at RB there is realy no reason to hate. on maroney,

patriotscpfc · Apr 3, 2010

muzz said:
Does it have an award for idiotic fumbles at the goal line too, or do they not want to give the "the best" award twice in one story?

You want an award for idiotic stuff at the goal line?

Give it to the Dolphins. They're the ones that ran the ball down our throat and then let Ricky Williams throw a pick.

Wretch · Apr 3, 2010

By almost every statistical measure LoMo is a good NFL running back, not Adrian Peterson or Chris Johnson, but a good back.

The expectations from the detractors on LoMo are too high. He was a late 1st round pick and has performed well in stretches and has had other frustrating moments, but that doesn't mean he's a bust, just not an all-pro.

This fantasy some fans have about getting back to a smash mouth offensive game needs to end. The NFL is a passing league thanks to Polian, and the Pats best player is the QB, why would the Pats run it 30+ times a game?

The best rusher in the league last year was on a .500 team.

patsinthesnow · Apr 3, 2010

LMAO. He was given 4 chances at 20 carries a game. I expect him to reach 100 yards once. He didn't.

Maroney's only 100 yard game of the season? Was against the 59-0 Titans, so don't give me crap about the Bills.

I can't wait on draft day when all you guys are crying when in the 2nd round we take a RB while me, Harkdawg, VJCpatriot, and many more, rejoice!

EDIT: His YPC in those four games: 3.5, 3.5, 4.3 ,4.1.

How Maroney caused us to shift our gameplan to passing, which didn't work.
Our Losses in 2009

Week 2 NYJ: 6 carries 23 yards 3.8 ypc- Inneffective early causing us to pass on every down, Rex Ryan blitzes every down, we score 9 points.
Week 5 DEN: 5 carries 21 yards 4.2ypc- Ineffective on 3rd and short, BB goes to pass happy, we don't score a point in the second half.
Week 10 IND: 13 carries 31 yards 2.4ypc-Ineffective, O'brien goes nuts with kevin faulk draws, works, but fails to ends the game at the end. Maroney also fumbled at the 1.
Week 12 NO: Only time I was pleased with Maroney. 15 carries 64 cards 4.3ypc. This game would've been much closer if we didn't abandon the run, Maroney did the whole first drive. (see I'm not bias, I just say it how it is)
Week 13 MIA: 13 carries 41 yards 3.2ypc- Horrible second half offense, pass happy...
Week 17 HOU: Did not play in

PatsChamp88 · Apr 3, 2010

This thread as expected is a disaster..

patriotscpfc · Apr 3, 2010

patsinthesnow said:
LMAO. He was given 4 chances at 20 carries a game. I expect him to reach 100 yards once. He didn't.

Maroney's only 100 yard game of the season? Was against the 59-0 Titans, so don't give me crap about the Bills.

I can't wait on draft day when all you guys are crying when in the 2nd round we take a RB while me, Harkdawg, VJCpatriot, and many more, rejoice!

EDIT: His YPC in those four games: 3.5, 3.5, 4.3 ,4.1.

How Maroney caused us to shift our gameplan to passing, which didn't work.
Our Losses in 2009

Week 2 NYJ: 6 carries 23 yards 3.8 ypc- Inneffective early causing us to pass on every down, Rex Ryan blitzes every down, we score 9 points.
Week 5 DEN: 5 carries 21 yards 4.2ypc- Ineffective on 3rd and short, BB goes to pass happy, we don't score a point in the second half.
Week 10 IND: 13 carries 31 yards 2.4ypc-Ineffective, O'brien goes nuts with kevin faulk draws, works, but fails to ends the game at the end. Maroney also fumbled at the 1.
Week 12 NO: Only time I was pleased with Maroney. 15 carries 64 cards 4.3ypc. This game would've been much closer if we didn't abandon the run, Maroney did the whole first drive. (see I'm not bias, I just say it how it is)
Week 13 MIA: 13 carries 41 yards 3.2ypc- Horrible second half offense, pass happy...
Week 17 HOU: Did not play in

Denver had an excellent Run D for the first half of the season.
The Jets D. Top 3 in the league.
Ineffective early?

First carry - 1-10-NE 21 (14:56) (Shotgun) 39-L.Maroney right end to NE 33 for 12 yards (36-J.Leonhard)
3 carries, 15 yards on first drive. second drive, 3 consecutive incomplete passes. third drive, 4 passes, 1 run (Taylor, penalty on play)

How can you be effective if you get 3 carries avg 5YPC and then don't get a carry for a quarter and a bit.

Indy, he sucked. Miami he sucked. I'll give you that.

eom · Apr 3, 2010

patsinthesnow said:
LMAO. He was given 4 chances at 20 carries a game. I expect him to reach 100 yards once. He didn't.

Maroney's only 100 yard game of the season? Was against the 59-0 Titans, so don't give me crap about the Bills.

I can't wait on draft day when all you guys are crying when in the 2nd round we take a RB while me, Harkdawg, VJCpatriot, and many more, rejoice!

EDIT: His YPC in those four games: 3.5, 3.5, 4.3 ,4.1.

How Maroney caused us to shift our gameplan to passing, which didn't work.
Our Losses in 2009

Week 2 NYJ: 6 carries 23 yards 3.8 ypc- Inneffective early causing us to pass on every down, Rex Ryan blitzes every down, we score 9 points.
Week 5 DEN: 5 carries 21 yards 4.2ypc- Ineffective on 3rd and short, BB goes to pass happy, we don't score a point in the second half.
Week 10 IND: 13 carries 31 yards 2.4ypc-Ineffective, O'brien goes nuts with kevin faulk draws, works, but fails to ends the game at the end. Maroney also fumbled at the 1.
Week 12 NO: Only time I was pleased with Maroney. 15 carries 64 cards 4.3ypc. This game would've been much closer if we didn't abandon the run, Maroney did the whole first drive. (see I'm not bias, I just say it how it is)
Week 13 MIA: 13 carries 41 yards 3.2ypc- Horrible second half offense, pass happy...
Week 17 HOU: Did not play in

week 2 NYJ -- jets were 4th ranked defense in the league in ypc against
week 5 DEN -- rest of team was 21 carries for 76 yds = 3.6 ypc
week 10 IND --- got me on that one
week 13 MIA -- maybe he was tired

livinginthe past · Apr 3, 2010

Its pretty hislarious to watch people throw out the stats they don't like ( I watch the game, d%#*!@t!) then a page or two later they are bleating out arbitrary milestones that they'd like to see.

Absolutely no background research into what number of yards could reasonably expected from a 20 yard game.

Nope, we'll go with 100 because thats a nice round number.

Comedy gold, as per usual.

letekro · Apr 3, 2010

I like him, but I would trade him for a 7th in a heartbeat if it meant I would never have to see another one of these threads.

eom · Apr 3, 2010

livinginthe past said:
Its pretty hislarious to watch people throw out the stats they don't like ( I watch the game, d%#*!@t!) then a page or two later they are bleating out arbitrary milestones that they'd like to see.

Absolutely no background research into what number of yards could reasonably expected from a 20 yard game.

I'd expect 20 yards.

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