The TRADE BACK Plan

I agree with you Captain Stone on trading back and attempting to get Pouncy. The more I think about it, he would be perfect. A zone scheme lineman, smart, versatile at C and G. BB likes that. With the long term outlook of Koppen and Neal questionable by many on this thread, I think getting a guy who can play a few positions would be of value. He does not have to start but can definitely see playing time his first year. With the later picks we can do as we please. I think Pouncy makes a lot of sense.

I really like.. the first trade back plan in terms of trading down w/ Detroit..

2011 Draft.. IS LOADED at Skill Positions on Offense!

And Detroit's pick could be a top 10 to go w/ Oaklands top 5.. I am salivating thinking about two stud receivers to go w/ Welker and Edelemen ..

Now the second trade w/ Jacksonville .. I wouldn't do.. because we still do have definite needs for 2010..

so pick 34 / 44/ 47/ 53 .. would really help out on OLB type .. MLB / DE etc..

No matter what it's going to be a crazy ride!

ctpatsfan77 said:

Actually, it was because Al Davis didn't want to give up his 2010 2, and offered up his 2011 1 instead.

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I always thought it was a 2010 first, but Kraft gave Davis the choice and he made it a 2011 first instead.

VJCPatriot said:

Assumption 1: Morgan, Odrick and Spiller are off the board at #22 but some other very desirable guys are on the table such as Weatherspoon, Davis, etc.
Assumption 2: Jacksonville wants to draft Tebow badly.
Assumption 3: Cleveland has a guy they highly desire in round 2 that they don't think makes it to round 3.

Round 1 #22: Trade back for an early 2nd and a #1 pick in 2011. Any of the top 10 worst teams would be a suitable candidate. For example, let's say Detroit takes Suh. They still have a hole at LT and nobody to protect Stafford. They see that Anthony Davis is available at #22. I'd certainly take their early 2nd and future 1st. They'd get a franchise LT to protect their QB in addition to getting the best defensive player in the draft!

Round 2 #44: Trade back with Jacksonville for their 3rd round pick and a 2nd rounder in 2011. They get - Tebow!

Round 2 #53: Trade back with Cleveland for their early 3rd and a future 2nd round pick. They get - somebody who would be long gone before the 3rd round started.

Look at how that sets up the Pats drafts:

2010
Round 2.2 #34
Round 2.15 #47
Round 3.7 #71
Round 3.10 #74
Round 4 #116
Round 6 #180
Round 7 #213

2011
1st round pick - from Raiders
1st round pick - from Detroit
1st round pick - Patriots own pick.
2nd round pick - from Jax
2nd round pick - from Cleveland
2nd round pick - Patriots own pick.

That gives you 3 1st round picks in 2011 and 3 2nd round picks in 2011 WITH a Rookie Salary cap in place! Would you do it? I would!

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Who wouldnt do those trades? They are a bit one sided. I think if trades like that ever happened, the NFL would bring down an immediate investigation.

In trade #1 you have the Lions trading up 12 spots from #34 to #22 and giving up a 2011 first rounder, which would more then likely be a top 10 pick. Pats trade #22 in 2010 to Lions for #34 in 2010 and (to put a number on it) 10th overall in 2011. Matt Millen would even make that trade.

In the other two trades you have the other teams giving up picks in 2011 that are almost certainly going to be a higher value then what they are getting in return in this draft and then in addition giving up a pick which are anywhere from 24-30 picks later in the draft.
They dont make sense. No GM would do the trades you suggested.

VJCPatriot said:

Assumption 1: Morgan, Odrick and Spiller are off the board at #22 but some other very desirable guys are on the table such as Weatherspoon, Davis, etc.
Assumption 2: Jacksonville wants to draft Tebow badly.
Assumption 3: Cleveland has a guy they highly desire in round 2 that they don't think makes it to round 3.

Round 1 #22: Trade back for an early 2nd and a #1 pick in 2011. Any of the top 10 worst teams would be a suitable candidate. For example, let's say Detroit takes Suh. They still have a hole at LT and nobody to protect Stafford. They see that Anthony Davis is available at #22. I'd certainly take their early 2nd and future 1st. They'd get a franchise LT to protect their QB in addition to getting the best defensive player in the draft!

Round 2 #44: Trade back with Jacksonville for their 3rd round pick and a 2nd rounder in 2011. They get - Tebow!

Round 2 #53: Trade back with Cleveland for their early 3rd and a future 2nd round pick. They get - somebody who would be long gone before the 3rd round started.

Look at how that sets up the Pats drafts:

2010
Round 2.2 #34
Round 2.15 #47
Round 3.7 #71
Round 3.10 #74
Round 4 #116
Round 6 #180
Round 7 #213

2011
1st round pick - from Raiders
1st round pick - from Detroit
1st round pick - Patriots own pick.
2nd round pick - from Jax
2nd round pick - from Cleveland
2nd round pick - Patriots own pick.

That gives you 3 1st round picks in 2011 and 3 2nd round picks in 2011 WITH a Rookie Salary cap in place! Would you do it? I would!

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Counting comp picks, we already have 10 picks in 2011. How many roster spots can we realistically afford to upgrade every year?

The 2010 draft is scary deep. This is the year to move UP. Some second round picks carry first round grades.

Best value is to trade up for Suh! Burn the Raiders 2011 1st and our 2010 1st, but get Suh and then use the three second rounders, because if they came out next year, they probably would have been first rounders.

The key to our defense are the 3 studs on the D Line that help create a numbers mismatch in our favor.

Ochmed Jones said:

Counting comp picks, we already have 10 picks in 2011. How many roster spots can we realistically afford to upgrade every year?

The 2010 draft is scary deep. This is the year to move UP. Some second round picks carry first round grades.

Best value is to trade up for Suh! Burn the Raiders 2011 1st and our 2010 1st, but get Suh and then use the three second rounders, because if they came out next year, they probably would have been first rounders.

The key to our defense are the 3 studs on the D Line that help create a numbers mismatch in our favor.

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If you really believe that a 2010 2nd round pick is equivalent to a 1st round pick and so on, then this is what we really have -

2010
Round 2.2 #34 (1st)
Round 2.15 #47 (1st)
Round 3.7 #71 (2nd)
Round 3.10 #74 (2nd)
Round 4 #116
Round 6 #180
Round 7 #213

So that is equivalent to two 1sts and two 2nds in 2010, then we'd have THREE 1sts and THREE 2nds in 2011. I don't see how you could go wrong with that.

And Spiller is a good back, but is he as good as Mark Ingram in 2011? Dez Bryant and Golden Tate are good WRs, but are they as good as Floyd and Green in 2011?

Trading picks back, sets the Pats up for a monster 2011 and a very solid 2010. Burning both 2011 first round picks to trade up for ONE guy, Suh, does not at all fit BB's value based philosophy and also gives us an EMPTY CUPBOARD for 2011, whereas we might have been looking at Ingram, Floyd, and another stud in 2011 instead if we can make these trade backs for more picks in the future.

stevedogc said:

Who wouldnt do those trades? They are a bit one sided. I think if trades like that ever happened, the NFL would bring down an immediate investigation.

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I've never seen the NFL investigate the trading of picks have you? Heck, I've never seen them investigate a tampering claim for that matter. It would have to involve something a lot juicier like... filming video from the sidelines.

These hypothetical trades are if maximum value could be extracted. Actual value in today's draft might be slightly less. However who would not be excited about having 3 1st round picks in the 2011 draft, and 2 of those picks likely top 10 choices? NFL teams are so pressured to win now, that they value draft choices that can help them THIS year a lot more than future picks. And BB has taken advantage of that mentality to put the Pats in the best draft position possible. So far that has gained us guys like Wilfork and Mayo and the Raiders 1st in 2011. There's nothing to make me believe that trend won't continue when coaches and even GMs are fired at the end of the year on a daily basis. And in case you noticed, some GMs in the NFL just are not very savvy.

Detroit wouldnt give a 2011 1st (probably around #5) to move up 12 spots.

And since this is supposedly the deepest draft why would we want to move to next year? I understand it would be for higher picks next year, but our teams window with TB as QB is closing.

Mossed said:

Detroit wouldnt give a 2011 1st (probably around #5) to move up 12 spots.

And since this is supposedly the deepest draft why would we want to move to next year? I understand it would be for higher picks next year, but our teams window with TB as QB is closing.

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no i can't see the lions or rams giveing up there first next year. but maybe a team like KC will give up #36 and #68 for #22 if KC is in love with Mike Iupati, and he is there at #22 and if Jared Odrick, is not there for the pats it's a good trade for both teams.

KC gets a top G for the next 10 years.

the pats can then draft.


#36 Arrelious Benn, WR.


#44 Koa Misi, OLB

#47 Rob Gronkowski, TE

#53 arthur jones, DE

#68 Mitch Petrus, G

#116 Austen Lane, DE/OLB


that could fill some big holes with there first 6 picks.