Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB (from 1/31/2010)

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Patspsycho said:

that "well-oiled machine" apparently runs out of oil come playoff time.

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Kind of a strange comment, considering who is playing in the Superbowl next week.

And who isn't.

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Patspsycho said:

14-4 isn't exactly running out of oil.

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What are you talking about 14-4?

That's not his TD/INT since than so please elaborate.

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BionicPatriot said:

What are you talking about 14-4?

That's not his TD/INT since than so please elaborate.

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Brady's postseason recordl; 14-4.

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Fball said:

Kind of a strange comment, considering who is playing in the Superbowl next week.

And who isn't.

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9-9* doesn't exactly suggest a real winner.



*includes next week's choke special

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BionicPatriot said:

What are you talking about 14-4?

That's not his TD/INT since than so please elaborate.

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You claim to be a Patriot fan but don't know what 14 - 4 is?
Hmmmm........

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L Bizzle said:

I would comment but reading you Patriot fans go at it is much more entertaining opcorn:

So I'll leave with this

Career Postseason Passer Rating

Peyton Manning- 87.5

Tom Brady -85.5



But you say Tom has performed so much better in the Playoffs than Peyton that's why he's better ?? and don't point at the records, that is a team accomplishment and only shows that the Patriots were a better overall team that the Colts 5 years ago, I won't argue with that and Colts fans shouldn't.

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Wrong. The record points to which one made the plays that resulted in winning.
Ignoring the records is maing an excuse that it was someone elses fault.
The reason stats fail to overcome records is that you can outplay me all day long, but if I stay close, and I make the play that wins the game and you make the play that loses the game, you have stats, I have a win and I was better.

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L Bizzle said:

I would comment but reading you Patriot fans go at it is much more entertaining opcorn:

So I'll leave with this

Career Postseason Passer Rating

Peyton Manning- 87.5

Tom Brady -85.5



But you say Tom has performed so much better in the Playoffs than Peyton that's why he's better ?? and don't point at the records, that is a team accomplishment and only shows that the Patriots were a better overall team that the Colts 5 years ago, I won't argue with that and Colts fans shouldn't.

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Speaking as a Patriots fan, this argument is really simple; currently, Peyton Manning has more strengths and fewer weaknesses than any quarterback in the league, easily. Manning has always been stronger, more durable than Tom--he's like a cyborg. But early in his career he could get rattled, frustrated, irritated...he lacked or seemed to lack mental toughness. Tom has always had that part--he is one of the rare players who just has IT--but to Manning's credit, he has worked on that aspect of his game, and he's as tough as anybody now. Just look at what he has been able to do against us, and against other teams.

I use the 2006 AFC Championship game as a marker for this. Once upon a time, he throws that killer pick-six to Asante, he's done, finis. Colts would never come back in 03, 04. But look what he does in '06--he admits it was on him, and comes out of the locker room on fire. People often say that the pats choked away the lead, but I think it was just a tribute to Manning's new confidence. NE goes up 21 points, and then Indy scores 3 TDs, and it's a game again.

It has to also be said, that the Colts have managed to improve their defense and their OL over the years, and that really helps any QB.

And I would think that, all rivalry aside, most Colts fans realize that Brady is a special player, too.

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BionicPatriot said:

OK, Tom had a ridiculous 07 season, I get that.

Put it this way, this year was the second highest totals in Brady's career. Yet would ANYONE dare say his season was half as good as Manning's?

Sorry, but statisticly speaking Brady ain't stacking up well. What Manning is doing this eyar is pretty much what he has done every single year. To say Brady is not AS good as Manning isn't a knock at all. Manning is just robot like consistent when it comes to statistics.

But hey, because wins a postseason is all that matters I'm guessing Brady was just green with envy about Mark Sanchez's awesome year, mhm?

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Statistic that wins games matter, statistics that result in losses dont.
Yes, as of the kickoff of the AFCCG I am certain Tom Brady was envious of Mark Sanchez.

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Patspsycho said:

9-9* doesn't exactly suggest a real winner.



*includes next week's choke special

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Really?

18 playoff games?

That's quite a few. And 9 playoff wins is a lot, by any standards.

As for next week, we'll see. I'll bet right now that it's more likely that Manning gets at least 2 more SB rings before Brady even sees another one...

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Fball said:

Really?

18 playoff games?

That's quite a few. And 9 playoff wins is a lot, by any standards.

As for next week, we'll see. I'll bet right now that it's more likely that Manning gets at least 2 more SB rings before Brady even sees another one...

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Um, you need some math help.
Something that happened once ever is not more likely to happen twice again before something that happened 3 times does once.

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kolbitr said:

Speaking as a Patriots fan, this argument is really simple; currently, Peyton Manning has more strengths and fewer weaknesses than any quarterback in the league, easily. Manning has always been stronger, more durable than Tom--he's like a cyborg. But early in his career he could get rattled, frustrated, irritated...he lacked or seemed to lack mental toughness. Tom has always had that part--he is one of the rare players who just has IT--but to Manning's credit, he has worked on that aspect of his game, and he's as tough as anybody now. Just look at what he has been able to do against us, and against other teams.

I use the 2006 AFC Championship game as a marker for this. Once upon a time, he throws that killer pick-six to Asante, he's done, finis. Colts would never come back in 03, 04. But look what he does in '06--he admits it was on him, and comes out of the locker room on fire. People often say that the pats choked away the lead, but I think it was just a tribute to Manning's new confidence. NE goes up 21 points, and then Indy scores 3 TDs, and it's a game again.

It has to also be said, that the Colts have managed to improve their defense and their OL over the years, and that really helps any QB.

And I would think that, all rivalry aside, most Colts fans realize that Brady is a special player, too.

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How has Manning 'always been more durable' than Brady when Brady never missed a game in his career until he knee was shredded? I stopped reading afer that.

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AndyJohnson said:

How has Manning 'always been more durable' than Brady when Brady never missed a game in his career until he knee was shredded? I stopped reading afer that.

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Uhhh...I don't give a **** when you stopped reading.

But for the hard of thinking....in my humble opinion, Brady has been hurt more often than Manning. Brady is a tough SOB, and has obviously played hurt plenty of times, but that doesn't mean he hasn't *been* hurt.

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Fball said:

Really?

18 playoff games?

That's quite a few. And 9 playoff wins is a lot, by any standards.

As for next week, we'll see. I'll bet right now that it's more likely that Manning gets at least 2 more SB rings before Brady even sees another one...

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Yes, 18 playoff games and only 1 ring. And that's a "well-oiled machine?"

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Patspsycho said:

Yes, 18 playoff games and only 1 ring. And that's a "well-oiled machine?"

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Well, about 31 teams in the league would take that in a QB.

I remember when the Pats fanbase wasn't so disparaging of "one ring."

About 100 things have to go right to win a Superbowl (even for the Pats in their SB winning days). Good QB play is important, but it's one of those 100 things.

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Manning is better now. They were generally equal from 2003-2007. I don't know why it's noteworthy that Manning would have pulled ahead after TB missed a year of football.

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Fball said:

Well, about 31 teams in the league would take that in a QB.

I remember when the Pats fanbase wasn't so disparaging of "one ring."

About 100 things have to go right to win a Superbowl (even for the Pats in their SB winning days). Good QB play is important, but it's one of those 100 things.

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1) 31 teams can take that, I won't.

2) Please don't lie about "remembering the Pats fanbase doing this or that" This forum didn't even exist in 2001.

3) 100 things happened right for us 3 times. That makes it even less of an acccident.

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Patspsycho said:

1) 31 teams can take that, I won't.

2) Please don't lie about "remembering the Pats fanbase doing this or that" This forum didn't even exist in 2001.

3) 100 things happened right for us 3 times. That makes it even less of an acccident.

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The Pats fanbase is only as old as this message board?

I seem to remember fans before then.

As far as the "right" things that happened in your SB runs - things like the tuck rule, bad kickoffs (Carolina), McNabb doing his Willie Beamon impression, etc. - what I'm saying is, you need luck as well as skill.

And as for what you will & won't take, you'd better start preparing for a team that isn't an annual contender anymore...

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BionicPatriot said:

I don't get it. We have no problem saying LB X is better than one of ours, But Manning>Brady is just considered forsaken.

I don't think Manning is that much better, but he's as close to perfect as I've ever seen a QB. You people kno offenses don't fear Brady these days half as much as they do Manning, I'm sure we of all fanbases should know this. To say Manning isn't better when every single thing is in his favor except rings is..Well, stupid.

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What in particular do you have against the arguments of those who prefer Brady?

You write: every single thing is in his favor except rings...

and yet people have given many many other things in Brady's favor.

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Fball said:

You're putting that much on Sunday's game?

I think Manning has gone a long way toward erasing that. The year he did win the Superbowl, he overcame a 21-3 deficit, against his biggest rival, with arguably the biggest monkey on his back in playoff history, with clutch play.

In the AFC Champ. game this year, he also led a comeback from a 17-6 deficit, against one of the best D's in the league - again, with pretty clutch play.

I think the idea that he "wilts" in the big games is bogus. That might have been true early in his career, when he was unable to overcome some of the looks BB gave him on defense, but he's way past that...

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The year he won the championship his threw a pick 6 and his team should have been down 28-3 before the referees intervened.

How often have you seen Bill Belichick go apecrap over a bad call.

I have never seen Belichick get as angry as he did over that totally bogus call on Troy Brown.

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BionicPatriot said:

If Brady retires tommorow and they draft a guy who has the same EXACT career path as Manning I'd definently take it. If you give the Patriots, or any team a QB like Manning they're going to be a top ten team MINIMUM year in/out.

I've seen the Patriots passing attack be considered weak and predictable a few times under Brady. Never once, for anymore than half a season have I heard the same about Manning. Sorry but the guy runs that offense like a well oiled machine, to sit here and play oblivious makes people here look foolish.

I disagree. I'd obviously rather us go on a run that produces more titles. However, I doubt taking an above average QB over a great one would be the reason why. Again, things like that are simply luck. Would you rather have Big ben or Peyton Manning? Please don't tell me Big Ben. Please don't, because at that point is when I walk away and this thread becomes a big joke.

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I've seen that well oiled machine score 3 points in the playoffs largely because Manning turtled.

He came out looking like a turtle, left looking like a turtle, popped his face out of the shell a few times as if to say, watch my Manning-face.