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The other option would be to get another stud inside linebacker through the draft or free agency and move Mayo back to WILB, allowing him to make more plays. Guyton would give us good depth as a backup at ILB, as it's very clear that Gary has extreme difficulty playing against the run. He is excellent coverage and would excel as 4-3 WLB. .

You mean like James Laurinaitus ?
 
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You mean like James Laurinaitus ?

Jasper Brinkley would have fit the mold. Big (250+lbs) linebacker with decent speed. He would have been the guy taking on guards. He's doing quite well in the running game after replacing Henderson got injured in Minnesota.

He was drafted in the fifth round and I remember some posters here wanted to get him. Did we have two fifth round draft choices?
 
Don't you know you're not supposed to back your argument with actual facts?

Thanks for responding with some names; good analysis. Ty Warren was another solid pick. I grade out the Patriots drafts as a B- since 2001. Good but not great -- the 2 years prior to Mayo produced little.





Sure, I saw the game. I was trying to get the thread back on track. And I don't disagree. I believe I said earlier in this thread that the only impact player I can think of that the Pats have drafted in recent years is Vince Wilfork, and I will also count Randy Moss and Wes Welker as great uses of draft picks, if not actual picks.

BTW, I would define "impact player" as one that other teams need to routinely game plan against. Randy Moss, Wes Welker, and Tom Brady and perhaps Wilfork are the only ones on the Pats right now. When I think of the Super Bowl winning teams, the impact players who were drafted by this regime were Richard Seymour (6th pick overall) and Tom BradY (whom even BB/SP admit was a lucky pick). I will give a halfhearted nod to Asante Samuel. Other than that (and help me out here) have there been ANY other impact draft picks in the past 9 years?

The other impact players on those teams were Parcell's picks - (Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Tedy Bruschi, Troy Brown, Willie McGinest) - or free agents (Cory Dillon, Rodney Harrison), and even a (gasp) Bobby Grier pick, Kevin Faulk). (Ted Washington - was he a free agent or a draft pick trade?)

A lot of other pre-2009 picks have been solid (Mankins, Light, Koppen, Warren, Mayo, Graham) but I wouldn't put any in the impact category. Other teams, even other teams that draft low such as the Colts, seem to be able to find more such guys. For example, on the Colts I can think of Freeney, Matthis, their torpedo safety (can't think of his name right now), Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, etc. just off the top of my head.
 
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Jasper Brinkley would have fit the mold. Big (250+lbs) linebacker with decent speed. He would have been the guy taking on guards. He's doing quite well in the running game after replacing Henderson got injured in Minnesota.

He was drafted in the fifth round and I remember some posters here wanted to get him. Did we have two fifth round draft choices?

Another one is Jonathan Goff now with the NYG also drafted in the 5th, good against the run and taking on guards, local kid, very smart. We picked ST Slater instead. Either one would have been a real good fit at SILB opposite Mayo.
 
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I think the Dline needs to do a better job of keeping him clean. He will be a great player in this league.

It's the 34, you might want to consult your chalkboard for the answer.....
 
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Jasper Brinkley would have fit the mold. Big (250+lbs) linebacker with decent speed. He would have been the guy taking on guards. He's doing quite well in the running game after replacing Henderson got injured in Minnesota.

He was drafted in the fifth round and I remember some posters here wanted to get him. Did we have two fifth round draft choices?

Brinkley is being isolated by formation and being exploited. He's not filling in well for Henderson their not even the same player. Brinkley is Ted Johnson in the 34. So if that is what your looking for on this D, I think you have found it. I get the sense they want to find someone who in the 34 better balances the front.
 
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Brinkley is being isolated by formation and being exploited. He's not filling in well for Henderson their not even the same player. Brinkley is Ted Johnson in the 34. So if that is what your looking for on this D, I think you have found it. I get the sense they want to find someone who in the 34 better balances the front.

That's precisely who we need in this 3-4 defense to let Mayo run around and make plays. Also, Brinkley is a good run defender. He gets exploited in coverage, but you can also say the same for Mayo.
 
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That's precisely who we need in this 3-4 defense to let Mayo run around and make plays. Also, Brinkley is a good run defender. He gets exploited in coverage, but you can also say the same for Mayo.

Having Mayo taking on guards is wasting his talents although it is out of necessity because they don't have any other LB's on the roster capable of doing it.
 
The Ravens have also been the worse team over the past few years.

Wait, what?

If by "the past few years" you mean the past few years, then your statement isn't exactly true.

This year, we beat you in the playoffs, we're the better team.

Last year, we went to the AFCCG while you didn't make the playoffs (irrespective of the circumstances), we were the better team.

In 2007, the Patriots went undefeated, and the Ravens didn't make the playoffs, you were the better team.

In 2006, the Ravens went 13 - 3, and New England went 12 - 4. The Pats lost in the AFCCG, whereas Baltimore was defeated in the divisional round; both teams lost to the eventual Super Bowl champion Indianapolis Colts.

That's the past four years, which should constitute "few."

The Pats were clearly better from 2001 - 2004, but the Ravens were better pre - 2001, although none of that is "the past few years."
 
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Also, I'll lay out the Ravens draft picks from 2006 on, the "last few years," as a point of reference.

2009 - Michael Oher [OL] (2nd in RoY voting, likely a perennial Pro Bowler), Paul Kruger [DL], Lardarius Webb [CB] (as good of a chance as any of being a future Pro Bowler).

2008 - Joe Flacco [QB] (starter), Ray Rice [RB] (Pro Bowler in his 2nd year), Tom Zbikowski (starter once Reed retires).

2007 - Ben Grubbs [OL] (Pro Bowler in his 3rd year), Le'Ron McClain [FB] (2-time Pro Bowler in his 3rd year), Marshal Yanda [OL] (starter), Troy Smith.

2006 - Haloti Ngata [DL] (Pro Bowler right now, almost certainly a trend which will continue), Dawan Landry (starter), Sam Koch [P] (starter).
 
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Also, I'll lay out the Ravens draft picks from 2006 on, the "last few years," as a point of reference.

2009 - Oher [OL] (2nd in RoY voting, likely a perennial Pro Bowler), Kruger [DL], Webb [CB] (as good of a chance as any of being a future Pro Bowler).

2008 - Flacco [QB] (starter), Rice [RB] (Pro Bowler in his 2nd year), Zbikowski (starter once Reed retires).

2007 - Ben Grubbs [OL] (Pro Bowler in his 3rd year), Le'Ron McClain [FB] (2-time Pro Bowler in his 3rd year), Marshal Yanda [OL] (starter), Troy Smith.

2006 - Haloti Ngata [DL] (Pro Bowler right now, almost certainly a trend which will continue), Dawan Landry (starter), Sam Koch [P] (starter).


Why is this even an argument. Yes, the Ravens have the better of it the last few years. Easily.
 
Wait, what?

If by "the past few years" you mean the past few years, then your statement isn't exactly true.

This year, we beat you in the playoffs, we're the better team.

Last year, we went to the AFCCG while you didn't make the playoffs (irrespective of the circumstances), we were the better team.

In 2007, the Patriots went undefeated, and the Ravens didn't make the playoffs, you were the better team.

In 2006, the Ravens went 13 - 3, and New England went 12 - 4. The Pats lost in the AFCCG, whereas Baltimore was defeated in the divisional round; both teams lost to the eventual Super Bowl champion Indianapolis Colts.

That's the past four years, which should constitute "few."

The Pats were clearly better from 2001 - 2004, but the Ravens were better pre - 2001, although none of that is "the past few years."

And I think there would have been at least one more SB win had Billick not decided Elvis Grbac was the heir apparent to Dilfer after the 2000 SB. In fact as good at developing players at other positions as the Ravens have been, they never could get the single most important position quite right prior to Flacco. We'll never know how many SBs that may have cost them.
 
And I think there would have been at least one more SB win had Billick not decided Elvis Grbac was the heir apparent to Dilfer after the 2000 SB. In fact as good at developing players at other positions as the Ravens have been, they never could get the single most important position quite right prior to Flacco. We'll never know how many SBs that may have cost them.

I have serious doubts that Flacco is going to be anything more than average unless he gets good wide receivers.

Regardless, the Patriots are clearly the team of the decade, but Baltimore is in the top five.
 
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Mayo had a really bad injury this year and may have never fully recovered. He was great his rookie season. Let's see what he does next year before we call him a bust.

Cannot believe that anyone does not know this by now.. bet you he is under the knife by the weekend.
 
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You mean like James Laurinaitus ?

James Laurinaitis the 4-3 MLB? Who's been nothing more than average to good? He's done no better than Guyton, who has hardly been disastrous against the run.
 
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Jasper Brinkley would have fit the mold. Big (250+lbs) linebacker with decent speed. He would have been the guy taking on guards. He's doing quite well in the running game after replacing Henderson got injured in Minnesota.

He was drafted in the fifth round and I remember some posters here wanted to get him. Did we have two fifth round draft choices?

He was okay against he run, but was utterly victimised in the passing game, and that's against the Panthers and the Bears.

You can't be a one trick pony in this defense.
 
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Another one is Jonathan Goff now with the NYG also drafted in the 5th, good against the run and taking on guards, local kid, very smart. We picked ST Slater instead. Either one would have been a real good fit at SILB opposite Mayo.

This gets better.

Goff has been awful for the Giants.

Awful.
 
mayo was not solid this yr, bad sophomore yr

I think his injuries have had a lot to do with it. He's not looked right all year, and I'll be shocked if we don't hear in the new few days or weeks about him having some kind of injury.

He's looked hesitant in coverage though, and has been a wash in the run game.

I'd love to see Tedy back here in a coaching capacity, I'm not convinced about Matt Patricia at all.
 
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Dude, Mayo is a stud. I'd take him any day. It's just a little weird to think that they had Seau playing.

that about says it all. Seau will be 41 in a week or so and he's still playing for the Pats who have nothing better. This season has been a total balls up all round, poor drafting, poor trading,too many players traded away without adequate replacements, Brady firing on 1 cylinder most of the season. When we lost to the Jets it was pretty obvious that we had nothing special to look forward to. We need a QB who can take pressure and still throw accurate ball,Brady obviously can't any more.As we don't actually have much of a running game all the opposition has to do is put up a few points and then get up into Brady's face and the Pats are done.
 
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