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Re: Issues with this team and fixes

I will always bleed Patriot red and blue, but this is a major letdown. We all have our ideal 'fixes' but there are also 31 other teams trying to get better. Without looking at Miguel's page, how much money do we have for next year?

If the uncapped year happens like it looks like it will, money will not be an issue.

I think we need a pass rush on defense and on offense one a coordinator, two a legit third option and a feature back, not this pu pu platter of age and mediocrity.
 
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I will always bleed Patriot red and blue, but this is a major letdown. We all have our ideal 'fixes' but there are also 31 other teams trying to get better. Without looking at Miguel's page, how much money do we have for next year?

If there is a cap, Miguel projects the Pats to have $45.2 million in cap space. The most of the Belichick era.
 
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The real question is, can this team get enough pieces quickly enough before Tom's window closes? After today, I have serious doubts. I'm not talking win a playoff game good, I'm talking compete for a Lombardi again. There just seems to be too many holes to make this a complete team before Tom turns 36-37.
 
***The offseason thread***

Okay people, the season is over and its time to learn from the year. I'm just going to give my take on what needs to be done to get back to the promised land. I want everyone to come in here and contribute. What do you want to happen this off-season. Please correct me when Im wrong because Im not really familiar with the money situations and how much players are going to want.

Possible CUT LIST/Trade List
Ben Watson-TE
Sam Aiken-WR
Lawrence Maroney(Debatable)-RB
Stephen Neal-OG
Vince Wilfork-NT
Adalius Thomas-OLB
Pierre Woods-OLB
Derrek Burgess-OLB
Shawn Springs-CB

Franchise Tag
Stephen Gostkowsi-K

possible FA to Sign list
Vincent Jackson-WR
Domenik Hixon-WR
Miles Austin-WR

Draft
Trade up scenario- move up to 10th overall Jags for our 1st rounder, 2b and a player from above list.
10th overall) Rolando McLain-ILB Alabama
2a) Von Miller-OLB/DE Texas A&M Hopefully Mayo can tell me more about this guy but I hear good things about him and he should go mid to early second
2c) LaGarette Blount- RB Oregon*Okay this will not be a popular pick but I think he might break out at the combine and we look past his character issues and Draft a powerful running back who may run sub 4.5. The guy runs through arm tackles.
3) I know we dont have a three but we should trade into the early third round and pick up Jordan Shipley-WR Texas. Shipley has great hands and runs good routes.
-other needs: OG, WR, OLB, RB, CB and TE
Where we are now- I do not now the exact order in the first and second rounds but I thkink its safe to assume we will have a mid to low 20's pick in the first, a mid second rounder along with two later second rounders.
1) Terrance Cody is an option here but lets assume BB sticks with Brace and Pryor. Sergio Kindle-OLB/DE Texas Absolute beast coming off the edge with great speed. Has played Line Backer before. Good in Space.
2a) Jermaine Gresham- TE Oklahoma Great Redzone Target with great speed
2b) Id like to go RB here so take your pick but say we dont. BB could use this pick on a receiver, RB or OG. Im gonna go with Mardy Gillyard- WR/KR out of Cincy, Blazing speed and great hands. One of the best athletes in the Draft IMO.
2c) Assuming BB uses the 2b on a RB or Receiver, Its time to go OG. Mike Johnson-OG Alabama



Okay pats fans, lets keep it positive in here. Yeah we lost but what do you want to happen in the next 5 months? How about the coaching staff?
 
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If there is a cap, Miguel projects the Pats to have $45.2 million in cap space. The most of the Belichick era.
I sure hope an agreement comes into place because there will be a ton of free agents available while saving draft picks to waste on busts. ;)
 
Re: Issues with this team and fixes

Did someone say richard seymour? LOL

Both our o/d lines have been questionable this year.

Our d/line hasn't stopped many 3 and 1's all year. No backfield penetration.
 
Re: Issues with this team and fixes

This Pats team was very inconsistent this year, and just not very good at points.

1) Moss and Welker need some help. Moss had a great 07 season because he was single covered a lot, now he usually isn't. Welker does good because of Moss and vice versa, but after that there is no one who can do much. Edelman showed us he can replace Welker while he rehabilitates, but we don't have any other threat. While Donte Stallworth didn't do much while he was here, he was a respectable receiver who could make a play. Sam Aiken, Isiah Stanback aren't useful guys. I'm not saying get a guy like Boldin or Marshall, but someone who is a decent WR, not a srub.

2) No running game. This offense is so unbalanced, and the running game is not very good. We need to draft a good RB who can bang the ball like a Ray Rice or MJD. This team needs some balance so that they can pass out of more formations than just the shotgun and work the play action. Not sure how this could be addressed this offseason.

3) No pass rush. This team just couldn't pressure the QB and that has been the story of the past two seasons. For one reason or another, no one can make a play. Julius Peppers would be a huge addition to this pass rush.

4) No pass rush = bad secondary. Meriweather had a good season as did Leigh Bodden, but there is no real playmaker on the back end, like a Harrison or Law. Shutdown corners are hard to find, but we had one and let him go. Can't do that again. Also, with a lack off pass rush, the secondary is more exposed.

5) No playmakers on defense. This defense has no playmakers, and it shows. When teams have playmakers, even the guys who are scrubs can make a play because people around them are making plays, we don't have that.

6) Minor issue, but Chris Hanson is a terrible punter. When we need a big boot he comes up lame, would like to see a guy with a bigger leg, but he will probably stay because he's the holder.

7) The Oline needs a few tweaks. Neal can't stay healthy, Kazcur is not very good although he did sign an extension. Vollmer is the future at LT and Light could move over to the right side.

Overall, I really think this team is just a few players away from being an elite team again. They have a lot of picks, an uncapped year, and some money to throw around.

My moves personally would be....

Re-sign Faulk
Re-sign Wilfork
Re-sign Bodden
Re-sign Gostkowski
Sign Tony Scheffler as a pass catching/blocking TE
Sign LenDale White as a goalline bruiser back
Sign Lee Evans as a 2nd/3rd WR when Welker is back
Sign Jason Taylor as a OLB
Trade for Julius Peppers to play DE/OLB hybrid
Sign Keith Bulluck to play MLB with some veteran leadership

QB Brady
RB Morris/Taylor/White
TE Scheffler/Baker
WR Moss/Edelman/Evans/Welker

DL Wilfork/Warren/Peppers
LB Mayo/Taylor/Banta-Cain/Bulluck
DB Bodden, Springs, Meriweather, McGowan/Sanders

Lee Evans isn't a free agent. The guy signed a four year deal in 2008 and is signed through 2012.

LenDale White signed a contract in 2006 that has him tied up through next season too.
 
Re: ***the offseason thread***

WR- Lee Evans
DL- Julius Peppers
LB- Jason Taylor/Keith Bulluck
 
Re: Issues with this team and fixes

Promote Pepper Johnson to OC. ;)

Let Dean Pees go back to coaching college. :mad:
 
Re: The official Patriots offseason thread

Leigh Bodden cannot be franchised. That was written into his contract.

Watson, Woods, Wilfork, Neal, and Burgess are free agents, not sure why he's on your cut/trade list then.
 
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Before you decide who you want in, you got to decide who goes.

AD is getting paid how much next year? 9mill.

and TBc is on 1.5. Pepper would be looking for 10 I guess. Does anyone know?
 
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If you're like me, you're probably struggling to for some therapeutic response to today's miserable let down. On the positive side, I think we should consider that this year was was a rebuilding year and the team is nowhere near their potential. I see this as a positive thing. I think it is ridiculous that people are already losing faith in our teams stars. Here are things we learned from this year. If they learn form these lessons they can return to their old dominanting ways. We had a young defense this year that will only get better.

1. REPLACE OC, BB dropped the ball on Charlie Weiss but there are surely many better OC's out there. THe Play Calling this year focused on one player all year, teams cannot win with the whole offense centered on one player. Every good victory we had this year came from a balanced attack. However as a whole our offense game planned sucked and was far too one-dimensional.

2. WE can't Win without consistent RUnning. Focus your offense on rushing from the get-go. If this means finding a new RB so be it.

3. Draft for DL, especially pass rushing ones. We've learned what no pass rush means for a team. Also, we need a defensive leader, perhaps trade for a veteran linebacker who can inspire the defense when they need it.
AND FOR HEaven's sake, find another corner to play with Bodden ( if we can re-sign). I feel we need to trade some of our linebackers who have underperformed in order to free up some space/money.
 
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A decent running back would have done wonders, Tom could be half as good as he is now and the Patriots still be SB contenders had we had a running game. The defense is young but will make be strides over the offseason. We should need a defensive leader, any sort of pass rush and another decent cornerback.
 
Re: The official Patriots offseason thread

Here's what needs to be done IMO:

1. Re-sign Wilfork and Mankins. They're Pro Bowlers, and they make a difference out there. One of them will probably be getting the Franchise Tag, since Bodden's contract prohibits it.

2. Pick up a WR or two. Welker probably won't be back for the start of next season, and even when he was in there, the Pats lacked a legitimate threat at their #3 WR spot. Edelman needs to be incorporated into the offense next year, but not as the #3.

3. Draft a pass rusher. This was the biggest problem the Pats had this season. Their inability to pressure the QB was embarrassing, and it needs to be addressed. They need to pick up a player such as Jerry Hughes, Greg Hardy, etc.

4. Move on from Maroney, Watson. Maroney's days are numbered with the Pats. The Pats benched him after missing a block on the Ray Lewis sack, and I think that they're through with him. Watson needs to go as well. He's off and on, and hasn't lived up to his potential at all. They're both free agents, and neither should be retained.

The front 7 is really an area without Seymour that struggled. Vince Wilfork maybe the best overall NT in the league and Ty Warren is very solid, but the rest of the line and the front 7 was pushed around this season. I think we need to make to make strides in both areas. Wilfork, Mayo and Warren I see as the only starters right now that you can have trust in. Burgess and Thomas have to go, and I see Mike Wright and Guyton as role players not starters.

How to fix this: A couple of guys in free agency I like are Kirk Morrison and Rocky Mcintosh. All the big names I think will be franchised such as Demco Ryans, Shawne Merriman and Karlos Dansby will be franchised or signed long term. Kirk Morrison is a guy who finishes plays and is a great tackler. He is a great player vs the run and that unit needs help with pursuing that area. He would be a good addition there. Mcintosh is another guy who has speed and is very quick to the ball. I would like to see him alongside with Jerod Mayo. Get quciker and faster in the linebacking core.

D-Line: The D-line besides Warren and Wilfork needs to be re done. A couple guys I look at are Marcus Spears out of Dallas and Tony Brown from the Titans. Both are very good young players and both are great vs. the run and can put pressure on the passer. You can sign one of them and turn the defense into 4-3, and then draft a kid such as Hardy or Dunlap to take the 4th spot on the line.

We need to think about switching to a 4-3 defense or get the right personnel to run the 3-4. It isn't working right now in the 3-4.
 
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Re: ***The offseason thread***

Okay people, the season is over and its time to learn from the year. I'm just going to give my take on what needs to be done to get back to the promised land. I want everyone to come in here and contribute. What do you want to happen this off-season. Please correct me when Im wrong because Im not really familiar with the money situations and how much players are going to want.

Possible CUT LIST/Trade List
Ben Watson-TE
Sam Aiken-WR
Lawrence Maroney(Debatable)-RB
Stephen Neal-OG
Vince Wilfork-NT
Adalius Thomas-OLB
Pierre Woods-OLB
Derrek Burgess-OLB
Shawn Springs-CB

Franchise Tag
Stephen Gostkowsi-K

possible FA to Sign list
Vincent Jackson-WR
Domenik Hixon-WR
Miles Austin-WR

Draft
Trade up scenario- move up to 10th overall Jags for our 1st rounder, 2b and a player from above list.
10th overall) Rolando McLain-ILB Alabama
2a) Von Miller-OLB/DE Texas A&M Hopefully Mayo can tell me more about this guy but I hear good things about him and he should go mid to early second
2c) LaGarette Blount- RB Oregon*Okay this will not be a popular pick but I think he might break out at the combine and we look past his character issues and Draft a powerful running back who may run sub 4.5. The guy runs through arm tackles.
3) I know we dont have a three but we should trade into the early third round and pick up Jordan Shipley-WR Texas. Shipley has great hands and runs good routes.
-other needs: OG, WR, OLB, RB, CB and TE
Where we are now- I do not now the exact order in the first and second rounds but I thkink its safe to assume we will have a mid to low 20's pick in the first, a mid second rounder along with two later second rounders.
1) Terrance Cody is an option here but lets assume BB sticks with Brace and Pryor. Sergio Kindle-OLB/DE Texas Absolute beast coming off the edge with great speed. Has played Line Backer before. Good in Space.
2a) Jermaine Gresham- TE Oklahoma Great Redzone Target with great speed
2b) Id like to go RB here so take your pick but say we dont. BB could use this pick on a receiver, RB or OG. Im gonna go with Mardy Gillyard- WR/KR out of Cincy, Blazing speed and great hands. One of the best athletes in the Draft IMO.
2c) Assuming BB uses the 2b on a RB or Receiver, Its time to go OG. Mike Johnson-OG Alabama



Okay pats fans, lets keep it positive in here. Yeah we lost but what do you want to happen in the next 5 months? How about the coaching staff?


I disagree with that on so many levels. What more does Wilfork have to prove to you? He's one of the few constants on the Patriots' D-Line, and he needs to be retained.

As great of a TE as Gresham is, the Pats need too much help with their pass rush to take a TE in the first round. Besides, the Pats' offense hasn't really relied heavily on the TE since the departure of Ben Coates. Hughes, Kindle, or Greg Hardy are much more likely to be selected. I highly doubt we will take Gresham.
 
Re: Issues with this team and fixes

Get rid of the dreadlocks. Take them all to the barbershop to get a haircut and then maybe they can see so they can tackle.
 
Re: The official Patriots offseason thread

Get a new OC
Draft WR/DE/OLB/OG day 1
Keep Wilfork/Mankins/Faulk at all costs
Keep Maroney/Bodden/Burgess at reasonable cost

Great post. I want to throw in one more draft need: ILB. We need a thumper. Guyton is a good role player, but he doesn't get off his blocks well. Mayo is only decent at it. If we had a really good thumper like a Rolando McClain, we could move Mayo into the Weak side inside linebacker slot. Mayo is allegedly faster than McClain.

If we can't get him, I say let's get the best pass rusher available. Jerry Hughes sounds like a good pick.

Then, we can get a 3-4 DE, Cameron Hayward is a possibility. Once the defenses needs are available, we can focus on offense. There is good depth at the Guard position this year. We could draft a guard with our last 2nd round pick.

With the remaining picks, we can get depth at WR or RB. I know we need wide receiver help, but our system may be best aided by a veteran. Someone proven has a better chance of succeeding than an untested rookie.

Last but not least, we need a change in our offensive philosophy. We broke a lot of records with this offense because it was new and people weren't expecting it. They expect it now and study it closely (see Ravens, Baltimore). An new OC could be just what we need.
 
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This Pats team was very inconsistent this year, and just not very good at points.

1) Moss and Welker need some help. Moss had a great 07 season because he was single covered a lot, now he usually isn't. Welker does good because of Moss and vice versa, but after that there is no one who can do much. Edelman showed us he can replace Welker while he rehabilitates, but we don't have any other threat. While Donte Stallworth didn't do much while he was here, he was a respectable receiver who could make a play. Sam Aiken, Isiah Stanback aren't useful guys. I'm not saying get a guy like Boldin or Marshall, but someone who is a decent WR, not a srub. Who do you propose? And what happens to Tate and Edelman? Do you hurt their growth by bringing in someone who takes reps away from them. Also, I am not sure how you can say that Aiken and Stanback aren't useful guys? They aren't spectacular WRs, I agree. But teams need to have guys who can excel on special teams. Aiken is one of the best there.

2) No running game. This offense is so unbalanced, and the running game is not very good. We need to draft a good RB who can bang the ball like a Ray Rice or MJD. This team needs some balance so that they can pass out of more formations than just the shotgun and work the play action. Not sure how this could be addressed this offseason.

The issue with the running game is not the backs. It's the O-line. This O-line is not great at run blocking. And they need someone at C and RG who can help clear the paths. Maroney, Morris, Faulk, and Taylor are all more than competant. The lack of consistency from the O-line is the big issue.


3) No pass rush. This team just couldn't pressure the QB and that has been the story of the past two seasons. For one reason or another, no one can make a play. Julius Peppers would be a huge addition to this pass rush.

I agree that the Pats couldn't pressure the QB consistently. The Pats need an OLB and an ILB to compliment Mayo, Guyton, and TBC. McKenzie and Crable were supposed to be those players, but both were hurt. McKenzie is Rookie Camps and Crable at the end of pre-season. Peppers is going to be 30 years old and he's going to command a LOT of money. Personally, I'd rather try and find someone who busts his rear end all the time, but just can't get playing time where he's at currently. The only problem with that is that with no cap, players like that will be RFAs.

4) No pass rush = bad secondary. Meriweather had a good season as did Leigh Bodden, but there is no real playmaker on the back end, like a Harrison or Law. Shutdown corners are hard to find, but we had one and let him go. Can't do that again. Also, with a lack off pass rush, the secondary is more exposed.

Bodden, Butler, Meriweather, Sanders, McGowan, Wilhite are a good corps.. Hopefully, the Pats will offer Bodden a 3 year deal.

5) No playmakers on defense. This defense has no playmakers, and it shows. When teams have playmakers, even the guys who are scrubs can make a play because people around them are making plays, we don't have that.

I have to disagree with you. The Pats have play-makers in Mayo, Meriweather, and Bodden. The problem is that guys like Thomas, Green and Woods didn't step up. And when you have such players like this not stepping up, it hurts the team

6) Minor issue, but Chris Hanson is a terrible punter. When we need a big boot he comes up lame, would like to see a guy with a bigger leg, but he will probably stay because he's the holder.

People keep saying this but usually they say it without having actually looked at the stats.
NFL Stats: by Team Category

Chris Hanson Splits - New England Patriots - ESPN

The Pats punted just 56 times this year. 7 of the punts were downed. 8 went OOBs. 18 of 56 were inside the 20 and 5 touchbacks. There were 16 fair catches and 20 returns for 180 yards. 13 of 56 punts came inside the opposing 50 with 8 of those 13 being inside the 20 and 3 going for TBs. All of that really hurts your NET avg...


7) The Oline needs a few tweaks. Neal can't stay healthy, Kazcur is not very good although he did sign an extension. Vollmer is the future at LT and Light could move over to the right side.

Light would need to move inside to LG with Mankins moving to RG. Light is NOT a right tackle. Kaczur is a decent swing tackle, but I'd see if the Pats couldn't trade him to KC and let LeVoir be the swing tackle.

Overall, I really think this team is just a few players away from being an elite team again. They have a lot of picks, an uncapped year, and some money to throw around.

My moves personally would be....

Re-sign Faulk
Re-sign Wilfork
Re-sign Bodden
Re-sign Gostkowski
Sign Tony Scheffler as a pass catching/blocking TE (RFA)
Sign LenDale White as a goalline bruiser back (RFA and doesn't solve the real issue and is a real head case)
Sign Lee Evans as a 2nd/3rd WR when Welker is back (Eligible to be franchised by the Bills)
Sign Jason Taylor as a OLB (He's a 1 year stop gap)
Trade for Julius Peppers to play DE/OLB hybrid (Can't see the Pats signing both)
Sign Keith Bulluck to play MLB with some veteran leadership (NO WAY. Bullock is a head case. Also, I believe that the Pats will try and go back to the 3-4 since that is what their players are best suited for)

QB Brady
RB Morris/Taylor/White
TE Scheffler/Baker
WR Moss/Edelman/Evans/Welker

DL Wilfork/Warren/Peppers
LB Mayo/Taylor/Banta-Cain/Bulluck
DB Bodden, Springs, Meriweather, McGowan/Sanders

I put my comments in Red.

I'm sorry, but I can't see Peppers playing DE in the 3-4.

I like the idea of Lee Evans. He's someone who has burned the Pats in the past and he's a UFA (unlike Jackson, Floyd, Bess, etc) though the Bills could franchise him.

The Pats need to get away from the zone blocking schemes on offense. For whatever reason, when the Pats use them, Brady does worse than in other games..

If the rumors about the Pats wanting to bring Weis back are true, then we could be looking at Davidson from the Panthers if Fox opts out of his contract. Davidson was being groomed as the OC here before he left to go to the Browns with Romeo. I believe that a lot of the issues with the offensive play-calling is that Brady hasn't gotten comfortable with O'Brien and that O'Brien is in way over his head as this is his first year as the QB coach and doing play-calling..
 
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We have an offseason thread already if someone didn't see it.
 
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