BB on WEEI - rips Houston field condition

alvinnf said:

It looked awful on tv. Grass usually looks better on the tube, I can only imagine how sh*tty it was. Of course the turf was bad and that was part of the problem, but Wes' leg doesn't buckle unless it was a little tweaked to begin with. His knee probably hasn't been right all year and it was just a matter of time.

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I've seen knees give out in the exact same fashion over a dozen times. Must be a lot of people with weak knees out there. Really, it's common to have a non-contact ACL injury.

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alvinnf said:

Human psychology doesn't work that way of course. Freud was probably whispering in his ear.

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Who's this Freud guy? The new OC?

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Patjew said:

No, that's not necessary. I just thought that maybe you were one of the gardeners at Gillette.

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Kewl. Do they get game day passes?

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PatsFanSince74 said:

Who's this Freud guy? The new OC?

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Freud would probably be a badass OC. He'd know what the defense is thinking before they do.

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KontradictioN said:

Freud would probably be a badass OC. He'd know what the defense is thinking before they do.

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and he'd be awesome at arguing with refs..."Are you so insecure because your daddy was a wuss that you have to call that penalty?"

Brady_12 said:

Seriously?
So just forfeit the game? If not, please give me your starters on O/D/ST...

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I already did. Rest your most indispensable players - Brady, Welker, Moss, Wilfork, May, Merriweather, plus some guys who are banged up. Give guys like Brace, Wheatley, BJGE, Ohrenberger, LaVoir a chance to play. It's not that hard, really.

patsfaninpittsburgh said:

Because if they didn't play, they would not build upon the momentum from the Jax game and maintain continuity.

This would lead to possible (likely) poor play in the playoffs.

If that happened, chowda (that's you, sparky) would be posting here next week, ripping BB for not playing the players and not building on the Jax game and maintaining continuity.

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If that's your argument, they why rest Faulk and Bodden? Surely those 2 would have helped in the 4th quarter meltdown. Now, not only do they not have any momentum, but they've lost on of their 4-5 best players.

bucky said:

I already did. Rest your most indispensable players - Brady, Welker, Moss, Wilfork, May, Merriweather, plus some guys who are banged up. Give guys like Brace, Wheatley, BJGE, Ohrenberger, LaVoir a chance to play. It's not that hard, really.

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I agree......I don't know why so many find this notion so hard to understand

there were 8 games and two pre-seanson games played on the same field. How many other players were injured due to field conditions?

tdw777 said:

there were 8 games and two pre-seanson games played on the same field. How many other players were injured due to field conditions?

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again, to me that's not even the point.......

my problem is that if he knew there was an issue that might get someone hurt, why did he not replace the guys he could LEAST AFFORD TO LOSE? (brady, welker, moss, mayo) .... to me everything was business as usual until he took the time to complain about something he could have done something about

bucky said:

If that's your argument, they why rest Faulk and Bodden? Surely those 2 would have helped in the 4th quarter meltdown. Now, not only do they not have any momentum, but they've lost on of their 4-5 best players.

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Continuity between a QB's and WR's is important. When exactly did Bodden become a flanker? Faulk's only been there 11 years, oh...maybe.. Morris/Taylor needed the work?

Also, AGAIN, you appear to have missed it but the division and playoffs have already been attained. The MELTDOWN is in your brain. If your goal is to get other guys experience in playoff style football, the score is secondary.

I would have preferred a win but it's secondary to the experience. The experience is critical because experience in these situations is critical to being succesful.

This might be hard to fathom but the only way guys get experience is to experience the experience.

tanked_as_usual said:

I agree......I don't know why so many find this notion so hard to understand

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The notion is not the problem, it's the history of the notion.

Year after year collapses in the playoffs by teams who "rested" shows it's not that bright. Why is that hard to understand?

How many more times are you going to keep touching the stove before you realize it's hot?

Reaching a bit much?

upstater1 said:

I've seen knees give out in the exact same fashion over a dozen times. Must be a lot of people with weak knees out there. Really, it's common to have a non-contact ACL injury.

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Yup......
Chris Forsberg blog - Welker talks about injury - ESPN Boston

patsfaninpittsburgh said:

The notion is not the problem, it's the history of the notion.

Year after year collapses in the playoffs by teams who "rested" shows it's not that bright. Why is that hard to understand?

How many more times are you going to keep touching the stove before you realize it's hot?

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There's no factual evidence to that theory whatsoever.

In 2005, BB rested Troy Brown and Dillon, Brown, while playing Brady and Branch only for a couple of series in the last game of the season vs Miami. After that, they went on to hammer Jacksonville and lose to Denver. If you think that they would have won the Denver game if they'd played Dillon, Brown and Brady the entire Miami game, you would find your way in the extreme minority. What is undeniable, however, is that the Patriots are a worse team without Welker.

So, in rewatching Wes's injury this morning, it's clear to me that his left plant foot slipped on the slick/wet rubber turf, and his knee buckled inward because of it.

So, I don't think Belichick is too far off in saying the field had something to do with Wes's injury.

patsfaninpittsburgh said:

Continuity between a QB's and WR's is important. When exactly did Bodden become a flanker? Faulk's only been there 11 years, oh...maybe.. Morris/Taylor needed the work?

Also, AGAIN, you appear to have missed it but the division and playoffs have already been attained. The MELTDOWN is in your brain. If your goal is to get other guys experience in playoff style football, the score is secondary.

I would have preferred a win but it's secondary to the experience. The experience is critical because experience in these situations is critical to being succesful.

This might be hard to fathom but the only way guys get experience is to experience the experience.

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You're contradicting yourself. First you say that the team needs momentum. Then you say that the 4th quarter was unimportant. Which is it? Because giving up a 14 point lead in the 4th quarter sure doesn't give you momentum.

As for the QB/WR continuity. Brady/Moss/Welker have played together for around 45 games over the past 3 years, including preseason and playoff games. Is 1 more game really that important? If you add to it the fact that BB saw issues with the playing surface before the game, it's just amazing that he let them play.

upstater1 said:

So, in rewatching Wes's injury this morning, it's clear to me that his left plant foot slipped on the slick/wet rubber turf, and his knee buckled inward because of it.

So, I don't think Belichick is too far off in saying the field had something to do with Wes's injury.

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If you say so.

upstater1 said:

So, in rewatching Wes's injury this morning, it's clear to me that his left plant foot slipped on the slick/wet rubber turf, and his knee buckled inward because of it.

So, I don't think Belichick is too far off in saying the field had something to do with Wes's injury.

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That's the way I saw it, too.

FWIW, one of the guys watching the game at the Bear's Den in Hershey on Sunday said that his brother is part of the NFL's grounds crew, and that Houston has a league-wide rep of having an inconsistent field, spec. for the reasons stated earlier by MoLewisRocks. I should've asked him what his brother thought of the Field Turf at Gillette, esp. when taking the record-breaking haste at which it was installed into consideration.

It's a pity, because I love grass (fields), man.

And Bucky, Tanked as Usual, et. al. are dead-on: if Bill knew pre game that field conditions were not optimal, then he had even more reasons to not play Welker & Moss & Brady, because those players are the ones whom he could least afford to lose.

captain stone said:

And Bucky, Tanked as Usual, et. al. are dead-on: if Bill knew pre game that field conditions were not optimal, then he had even more reasons to not play Welker & Moss & Brady.

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Agreed, I have no problem with the team playing but if the field is bad, that's a different issue.