Brady & Manning against common opponents

Brady_12 said:

Are we talking about this year only? Seems like you discuss career numbers/situations and single season numbers only when it suits your argument. If you want to discuss this years numbers only, perhaps try re-reading the OP. Pretty interesting comparison.

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My entire post is referencing an overview of Manning's entire career, yet you look at the very last comment on my post and assume I'm only talking about this year. Oh boy..

Ehh kind of speculation. So many variables.

RWayne911 said:

My entire post is referencing an overview of Manning's entire career, yet you look at the very last comment on my post and assume I'm only talking about this year. Oh boy..

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You're joking right? I was picking a single example of where you cherry picked a single season to explain away this question, there are plenty more examples we could discuss:

Fixit said:

Now address the dome and warm weather advantage, because the other guy pretends it doesn't exist.

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You act as if Moss and Welker have been with Brady for most of his career. Last I checked he's played almost two seasons with them.

Without getting into a line by line, season by season line up comparison, are you really suggesting that Brady has had better weapons than Manning over the years? My turn to say "Oh boy"

Jetssuck said:

But then his regular season stats would have suffered if he had played with the Patriots. And, by your standards, he couldn't be considered the best.

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Like BB said....stats are for losers....the final score is for winners.

No sense arguing with this RWayne911 clown, he probably wouldn't even watch football, let alone the Colts, if Peyton didn't play.

The Patriots fans on this forum are merely pointing out that since Colts fans are stat obsessed, the stats aren't all that different between Brady and Manning and never have been. Just like Brady, Manning has had one great statistical season and a bunch of good/very good ones. Colts fans act as if Manning throws 40 TD every season. He's done it once.

Pats fans, on the other hand, just can't wait to beat you when it counts in January. I'm almost sad your owner didn't have the balls to go for 16-0, I wanted the Pats to be the team to take them down.

This thread is getting borderline insane. I understand Colts fan pashion for Manning, but some of the reasoning they are using is ludicrous.

One guy keeps stating that Manning had only one #1 receiver for a certain amount of years. I dont understand your reasoning? Brady was a starter in the league for 6 years before he got anything close to a #1 receiver in Randy Moss. And out of the 8 seasons in which Brady has started, he has had a Moss and Welker for 2 seasons. So for 25% of his season played, he had a #1 and #2 WR. As for Manning, He had Wayne and Harrison together for 5 seasons. And I am not including 2007 when Harrison only played in 5 games and 2008 when he was a shell of himself. And dont forget to mention the fact that Manning has had Dallas Clark since 2003. So basically since 2002, Manning has had AT LEAST 2 great receiving options. Thats 9 seasons, compared to 2 for Brady. And another fact not mentioned is that when Manning entered the NFL he had Marshal Faulk as his starting RB. The HOF RB Marshal Faulk who averaged 64 receptions a season for his career.

And as for the types of teams the came into, if you take the 3 season prior to the arrival of Manning of Brady, there is a 1 game difference. The three season prior to Manning starting for the Colts the Colts record was 21-27. Thats a .437 winning percentage. Brady started in 2002. The three season prior the Pats were 22-26. Thats a .458 winning percentage. And if you add in the 0-2 start the Pats had in 2002 prior to Brady starting, that winning percentage goes down to .440. So thats .440/.458 for Brady compared to .437 for Manning. No much of a difference there. And as stated earlier, Manning had MArvin Harrison as his #1 WR and Marshal Faulk as his starting RB. Compared to Troy Brown and Antowain Smith for the Pats.

RWayne911 said:

He had no more then one elite WR in 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2007 (Marvin injury), 2008, and 2009. I counted seven seasons there. I don't know the system in which you count.



So what? 12+ wins for seven straight years is completely irrelevant? That losing season has nothing to do with the argument I was making towards the other poster.



Right. Were they a team in complete makeover rebuilding mode? Do you have any idea how bad the Colts were? Was Brady a #1 pick under that type of pressure, thrown into the starting position and asked to pass the ball over 500 times in his first season? Don't compare the situations, it's really not even close.




He had Faulk for one season in the midst of a disaster on a team that wasn't going anywhere, more so a meaningless year. I am aware he had Edge. Is Edge a WR? And look at Edge in the playoffs, thank god we got Addai, he actually knows how to be somewhat effective when he needs to.



Wayne isn't a hall of fame WR yet. He has one hall of fame WR and a hall of fame head coach. Brady has a hall of fame WR and a hall of fame head coach, yet he doesn't have enough weapons this year and needs more depth despite Wes Welker. Edge is borderline hall of fame. He also doesn't need Edge to warrant a passing game, most Colts fans don't even remember him.




Oh yes, a typical Patriots fans exaggerating and lying about the standards to raise the bar and make it out as if Brady is godly.

How many blizzards has Brady played in this year? One? So why use the plural? Using the plural, you make your argument sound as if he plays in five blizzards per season.

Manning's numbers outdoors are also better then his indoor numbers this season.

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I have to say, you may be the dumbest poster I've had the displeasure of reading on these boards...Every fact you throw is twisted only to help the manings side of the argument...The fact is, payton has had every adavnatage over Brady as far as players (untill 2007) and playing conditions. If you think a dome compared to NE isnt that big of a difference, you must have never actually been to the north east. I'm telling you, if Brady had a dome his entire career, as far as stats go...payton wouldnt even be close, and it wouldnt matter who Brady's wide outs are. Payton is good, but the fact is, Tom Brady is better and thats all there is to it, it doesnt mean Manning sucks. Tom Brady wins, and wins when it counts.

Brady has him moments, but overall, Peyton is on a whole different, higher level.

Mista Kool said:

Brady has him moments, but overall, Peyton is on a whole different, higher level.

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No, Manning has had his moments too. 4 ints in a playoff game. 2 Individual game ratings of under 40 in playoff games. 3 tds and 7 ints during his SB title run.

Mista Kool said:

Brady has him moments, but overall, Peyton is on a whole different, higher level.

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The truth shall set you free!

So, just to recap....

Reasons why Brady is better than Manning:

-Manning plays in a dome
-Manning had better weapons
-Brady's better team and coach won more superbowls
-The AFCS is weak, but posts one of the best winning % of it's time

theQB said:

So, just to recap....

Reasons why Brady is better than Manning:

-Manning plays in a dome
-Manning had better weapons
-Brady's better team and coach won more superbowls
-The AFCS is weak, but posts one of the best winning % of it's time

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You keep forgetting one. Manning not only has less SBs, but he also has a losing record in the playoffs. End thread...but thanks for playing. Give me a call when he gets about .500 in the postseason.

I would think the overall shoddy quality of QBs in the AFC East would inflate the division's pass defense rankings. It's not like, say, the AFC South where there's greatness at every turn. For example, David Gerrard would challenge Brady for best QB in the AFC East, yet he's clearly the worst of the starting QBs in the AFC South.

GroganCountry said:

You keep forgetting one. Manning not only has less SBs, but he also has a losing record in the playoffs. End thread...but thanks for playing. Give me a call when he gets about .500 in the postseason.

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That should change in less than a month, so sit on this while you wait, err sweat, it out...

Manning:
-12 seasons of 25+ TDs
-5 seasons of 30+ TDs
-10 seasons of 4000+ yds
-4 seasons of 100+ QB rating
-8 seasons of 65 comp%

Brady:
-5 season of 25+ TDs
-1 seasons of 30+ TDs
-3 seasons of 4000+ yds
-1 season of 100+ QB rating
-2 seasons of 65 comp%

theQB said:

So, just to recap....

Reasons why Brady is better than Manning:

-Manning plays in a dome
-Manning had better weapons
-Brady's better team and coach won more superbowls
-The AFCS is weak, but posts one of the best winning % of it's time

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Just to recap for those with reading disabilities like theQB

Reasons why Brady is better than Manning:

1.3 superbowls versus 1
2.14-3 playoff record versus 7-8
3.Greatest season every had by a quarterback Tom Brady 2007
4.Tom Brady has never had a losing season, Manning has 2
5.Tom Brady better career passer rating indoors than Manning
6.Tom Brady better career passer rating outdoors than Manning
7.Tom Brady made his team better, same team with Bledsoe was 0-2 and 5-11
8.Manning 3-13 first season with Colts same record as Harbaugh's last season
9.AFCS post one of the best winning % and Tom Brady's career passer rating is better than Manning's against 2 of Manning's 3 division rivals, Tennessee and Jacksonville.

I could go on

Jetssuck said:

Just to recap for those with reading disabilities like theQB

Reasons why Brady is better than Manning:

1.3 superbowls versus 1
2.14-3 playoff record versus 7-8
3.Greatest season every had by a quarterback Tom Brady 2007
4.Tom Brady has never had a losing season, Manning has 2
5.Tom Brady better career passer rating indoors than Manning
6.Tom Brady better career passer rating outdoors than Manning
7.Tom Brady made his team better, same team with Bledsoe was 0-2 and 5-11
8.Manning 3-13 first season with Colts same record as Harbaugh's last season
9.AFCS post one of the best winning % and Tom Brady's career passer rating is better than Manning's against 2 of Manning's 3 division rivals, Tennessee and Jacksonville.

I could go on

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Please don't, I want you spreading anymore bias stupidity

theQB said:

That should change in less than a month, so sit on this while you wait, err sweat, it out...

Manning:
-12 seasons of 25+ TDs
-5 seasons of 30+ TDs
-10 seasons of 4000+ yds
-4 seasons of 100+ QB rating
-8 seasons of 65 comp%

Brady:
-5 season of 25+ TDs
-1 seasons of 30+ TDs
-3 seasons of 4000+ yds
-1 season of 100+ QB rating
-2 seasons of 65 comp%

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Why you being gleeful about possible Colts playoff victories? I thought you were a Jets fan. Lol

theQB said:

That should change in less than a month, so sit on this while you wait, err sweat, it out...

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Sure it will...because Manning really steps it up come playoff time:
Regular season QB rating - 95.3
Postseason rating - 84.6

Regular season TD/INT - 366 TD/180 INT
Postseason Ratio - 22 TD/17 INT

He really "turns it up" come the playoffs. And once again, 7-8 in the postseason. Pretty impressive stuff right there.

You do realize you look pretty insecure about your hillbilly QB considering you're coming into a Pats forum and desperately trying to make his case. Those aren't the actions of a confident person.

Bottom line, if my life depended on having a guy throw a football threw a tire, I'd go with a pure "passer" like Marino or Manning. If I wanted to win a big game, I'd go with a Brady or Montana...unless of course I wanted to die (7W - 8L). Have fun with your regular season stats.

theQB said:

Manning:
-12 seasons of 25+ TDs
-5 seasons of 30+ TDs
-10 seasons of 4000+ yds
-4 seasons of 100+ QB rating
-8 seasons of 65 comp%

Brady:
-5 season of 25+ TDs
-1 seasons of 30+ TDs
-3 seasons of 4000+ yds
-1 season of 100+ QB rating
-2 seasons of 65 comp%

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So Marino is better than Montana?

theQB said:

That should change in less than a month, so sit on this while you wait, err sweat, it out...

Manning:
-12 seasons of 25+ TDs
-5 seasons of 30+ TDs
-10 seasons of 4000+ yds
-4 seasons of 100+ QB rating
-8 seasons of 65 comp%

Brady:
-5 season of 25+ TDs
-1 seasons of 30+ TDs
-3 seasons of 4000+ yds
-1 season of 100+ QB rating
-2 seasons of 65 comp%

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anyone notice something about these stats? Notice how the word "regular" is missing. Im pretty sure most of the Pats fans on these boards are willing to call Manning the greatest regular season QB of all time. Unfortunatly, his play does not transfer into the post season. Which is the difference between Manning and Brady.

And onther thing, after all the stats you just mentioned, the difference in Mannings and Brady career QB rating is around 1.5 points. So in terms of efficiency, their stats are nearly identical. Also, Manning has played 4 more season then Brady. Of course his averall totals are going to be higher. If this was Manning last year and Brady played the next four season with the talent Manning had throughout his career, those numbers would be alot closer.

Brady:
-0 seasons with more then 14 ints
-0 one and done post seasons
-0 individual post season games with a game rating of under 40
-1 individual post season games with 0 td passes

Manning:
-6 seasons with more then 15 ints
-6 one and done post seasons
-3 individual post season games with a game rating of under 40
-4 individual post season games with 0 td passes