Richard Seymour: ‘I could have helped"

As has been the case when a player plays his last year with us, their contributions do not extend past their. By your logic, why haven't we traded everyone on the last year of their contract.

Remember Samuel. I suppose we could have traded him instead of having him play his last year with us and move on.

Scouse Patriot said:

How long would he have helped though, next season too? Life without Seymour was going to begin sooner rather than later and BB got value while it was on the table. Sure his talent and experience in the locker room could help but he would hardly be the saviour.

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mgteich said:

As has been the case when a player plays his last year with us, their contributions do not extend past their. By your logic, why haven't we traded everyone on the last year of their contract.

Remember Samuel. I suppose we could have traded him instead of having him play his last year with us and move on.

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What? I simply said Belichick chose to get some value for Seymour and he would hardly make it all rosey if he was still here anyway.

Thats kind of the Head Coach of the Patriots logic in this instance, not mine.

Seymour: Patriots players say "we could have used you"

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Gee, this has been a super fun week, hasn't it?

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i'm thrilled we got rid of him, his attitude speaks volumes and it's obvious he hasn't moved on or else he wouldn't even bother commenting on this situation at all

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Yeah, that quote was in the Borges article, and it jumped out at me. He specifically mentioned that TBC was pretty pumped about coming off the same side as him, which would have been pretty tough to defend. Seems to me that Belichick gambled that Jarvis Green, Derrick Burgess, and/or Ron Brace would be able to step up, and none of them did. It happens, but we don't know anything now that we didn't know then. If you were okay with the trade when it happened, then you can't very well be second-guessing him now. We knew that Green was a JAG at this point in his career, we knew that Burgess was a gamble, and we knew that Brace was a rookie who had lined up beside BJ Raji his whole career at BC, and who had some conditioning issues and may take a while to adjust to the pro game.

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Bella*chick said:

Gee, this has been a super fun week, hasn't it?

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'Been like watching a car wreck in slow motion.

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n1e said:

i'm thrilled we got rid of him, his attitude speaks volumes and it's obvious he hasn't moved on or else he wouldn't even bother commenting on this situation at all

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You're right that he clearly hasn't moved on, but how is that a problem? He clearly didn't want to be traded, and I don't see how that speaks badly of him as a player or person. He wanted to be here in 2009. If you want to argue that he could have done more to make that happen, then that's totally fair, but none of that changes the fact that he didn't want to be traded.

If he hadn't cared, you guys would call him a mercenary who goes to the highest bidder. Now that it's apparent that he does care, he's... what, exactly? A jealous malcontent who doesn't deserve to be here? No matter what he said or did (or didn't do), you folks had an angle to skewer him on.

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Adversity can be a good thing. This team needed a wake-up call. All this strife is either going to destroy their season or make them live up to the potential they have on the roster. Either way, it was certainly necessary, and I have a feeling its much more likely to be the latter.

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How many times can Florio excerpt parts of Borges story and run it as if it were a new story? Any guesses?

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The fact that Seymour can't stop flapping his gums says everything about his true character. Could they use him...sure, but now that he's kicking a dog when it's down shows what kind of locker room presence he probably had the whole time. Go F yourself Seymour, the Patriots are having a rough spot, but they'll be back.

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And I thought Seymour's grousing around ended with the trade.

Of course we could use him, duh, that doesn't mean the trade wasn't in the best interst of the team.

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I am so glad that prissy punk is gone now if he would just shut up

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All those so-called pals who are contacting him must have the ****les of their hearts warmed by Richard's contention that New England has "no talent."

Seymour was great at his position, however he was on the other side of great... there is more to this story than meets the eye. He shunned leadership and even though I thought he was great, did not make many game changing plays...


What he said.
Name some GAME CHANGING PLAYS he made the last few years?

So like, are the Raiders going to sign him to an extension anytime soon? Franchise him next year leading to him feeling disrespected?

I'd laugh if they wasted a first round draft pick for a year.

Deus Irae said:

Except that this doesn't make any sense at all. The reality is that the team would have been able to share snaps with more players, thus decreasing the load on individual players. Because Brace only took 2 snaps, there was no real decrease with him being there.

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You are PRESUMING again that there would've been extra defensive linemen on the active roster for that game. Chances are if Seymour was on the team he would've been part of the rotation that had the same number of DLs -- the guys who got "gassed."

Deus Irae said:

Actually, you didn't offer up any relevant evidence, because his numbers in the Raiders system are irrelevant to his numbers in the Patriots system. Well, that's not quite true, because you did have a relevant sentence, but it destroyed your own argument.

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Not at all. If anything, his numbers (tackles/sacks) should be MUCH HIGHER in the Raiders system. Instead, they're worse than his pace of last year, suggesting again the Patriots made the right move.

Deus Irae said:

So his numbers were as good as they'd been in 5 years, and he was absolutely dominant in 2003, but he wasn't a "monster force"? Last year, AdT and Vrabel were injured, and the Patriots #2 CBs couldn't cover anyone, and the pass rush suffered as a result. However, even with that reality, Seymour was able to register 8 sacks, which was more than the 2 starting DEs of the Steelers combined, and the Patriots were ranked higher in sacks than they are this season. This season, if you add Seymour to the current mix in place of Green, you would expect to see more than 0 sacks and more pressures, which means that the pass rush would be better.

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You are taking my comments out of context. I noted that from 2004-2007, his numbers were mediocre (also allowing for injury time). So, you do the math: He had TWO good performances out of the last SIX seasons. He is 30 years old looking for a UFA big-money contract demand the Pats were unlikely to meet after this season and would get no compensation. He has proven attitude problems. The Pats were offered a first-round pick from a poor team in a draft likely to have a rookie salary cap. The move was a no-brainer. Also, the only way to assess defensive performance (sacks, points allowed, yards allowed, etc.) is by TEAM numbers, not comparing player to player. As I said earlier, there are four games left to play.

carolinatony said:

Seymour was great at his position, however he was on the other side of great... there is more to this story than meets the eye. He shunned leadership and even though I thought he was great, did not make many game changing plays...


What he said.
Name some GAME CHANGING PLAYS he made the last few years?

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Explain to me what you mean when you say he "shunned leadership"...

Tunescribe said:

You are PRESUMING again that there would've been extra defensive linemen on the active roster for that game. Chances are if Seymour was on the team he would've been part of the rotation that had the same number of DLs -- the guys who got "gassed."

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That is simply incorrect. The team would have had an extra body to rotate in, lowering the snap totals. This is simply mathematics here.

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Not at all. If anything, his numbers (tackles/sacks) should be MUCH HIGHER in the Raiders system. Instead, they're worse than his pace of last year, suggesting again the Patriots made the right move.

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This is also incorrect.

Tunescribe said:

You are taking my comments out of context. I noted that from 2004-2007, his numbers were mediocre (also allowing for injury time). So, you do the math: He had TWO good performances out of the last SIX seasons. He is 30 years old looking for a UFA big-money contract demand the Pats were unlikely to meet after this season and would get no compensation. He has proven attitude problems. The Pats were offered a first-round pick from a poor team in a draft likely to have a rookie salary cap. The move was a no-brainer. Also, the only way to assess defensive performance (sacks, points allowed, yards allowed, etc.) is by TEAM numbers, not comparing player to player. As I said earlier, there are four games left to play.

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I didn't misrepresent your comments in any way. You claimed that you had to go back to 2003 to find those numbers. That reinforces the notion that he was getting it done last year.

And the move was not a no-brainer. It was a bad trade, particularly in combination with everything else that had gone on during the offseason. Also, unless you know something about the CBA that I don't, the Patriots would have been eligible to get compensation for Seymour, even if they didn't pull a sign and trade.

Seymour has 35 tackles and 4 sacks this year. That's Mike Wright numbers for you.