SMY: Moss, Burgess, Guyton, and Thomas sent home Wed after late for 8am meeting

BostonBullit · Dec 9, 2009

Deus Irae said:
If you leave a half an hour earlier than usual, but a car accident closes the road, do you tell your boss that he should fire you? Do you offer to work for free for the rest of that day?

If I get to work half hour late because of a car accident and all of my co-workers are already there and got there on time even though we all live in close proximity and drive the same roads then I expect I'd be in some trouble.

Leave No Doubt · Dec 9, 2009

MoLewisrocks said:
My old boss used to have a saying...take the train before the train that makes you late.

Bingo. The storm was predicted, when you need to be someplace that you consider (or should consider) to be Important you plan for bad weather and you leave extra-extra early so you arrive on time. Especially important when you know your ***** is grass considering your last performance. BB's on the money; the leniency afforded to a superstar is not a Patriot-given right, it's earned. If the so-called LEADERS (Moss and Thomas) can't set an example for Guyton and Burgess, Burgess especially because he's very new), then who's going to? Remember when the leaders were watching film by 5AM? Guys like Big Willie, Rodney,TFB who's the ONLY one with a valid excuse were in there way before they had to be because they wanted to be better than the last game. Rookies who came here understood this concept, actually they had no choice but to understand it. The one thing anybody should have learned about BB is that his cuts run the deepest-he doesn't give a * who you are or what you did in the past; it's all about what you're doing NOW. Always has been and always will be that way at least as long as BB is here which I hope is a very long time.

Tedy was right. And so is BB.

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Nikolai · Dec 9, 2009

Deus Irae said:
If you leave a half an hour earlier than usual, but a car accident closes the road, do you tell your boss that he should fire you? Do you offer to work for free for the rest of that day?

You do not appear to understand the concept of tardiness.

From what I see from your posts, you believe Belichick to be prone to ludicrous decisions, so I'm not sure if you think that he's doing this for no good reason. The logical approach to this situation is to assume that the lateness has to do with unexcused/unannounced absence (i.e. tardiness) rather than lateness. I personally think Belichick is intelligent enough to discern that Mangina-esque deeds will not send the right message to the team.

If you are stuck in traffic and call ahead to inform that you will be running late, that is one thing. To be stuck in traffic and then get to the workplace and start gushing about this and that gives the appearance of a lack of integrity. In this age of cell phones, calling ahead to inform about traffic and unforeseen circumstances is appropriate. Coming in late, and blaming it on a storm that has been forecast for several days doesn't cut it.

Nikolai · Dec 9, 2009

BostonBullit said:
If I get to work half hour late because of a car accident and all of my co-workers are already there and got there on time even though we all live in close proximity and drive the same roads then I expect I'd be in some trouble.

Bingo.....

aluminum seats · Dec 9, 2009

I think Belichick should murder Thomas with his bare hands in front of the rest of the team. That would get everyone's attention.

Seriously, I'm not sure what side I come down on whether this is the "right" thing to do or not. All I can say is it makes me happy--I think the coaches AND players needed some kind of a jolt. Well, here it is.

Deus Irae · Dec 9, 2009

Nikolai said:
You do not appear to understand the concept of tardiness.

From what I see from your posts, you believe Belichick to be prone to ludicrous decisions, so I'm not sure if you think that he's doing this for no good reason. The logical approach to this situation is to assume that the lateness has to do with unexcused/unannounced absence (i.e. tardiness) rather than lateness. I personally think Belichick is intelligent enough to discern that Mangina-esque deeds will not send the right message to the team.

The logical approach to any situation is to avoid making assumptions whenever possible.

Nikolai said:
If you are stuck in traffic and call ahead to inform that you will be running late, that is one thing. To be stuck in traffic and then get to the workplace and start gushing about this and that gives the appearance of a lack of integrity. In this age of cell phones, calling ahead to inform about traffic and unforeseen circumstances is appropriate. Coming in late, and blaming it on a storm that has been forecast for several days doesn't cut it.

Could you kindly provide links showing that any/all of the 53 who were concerned about being late called ahead with the exception of those 4? Also, in the age of cell phones, using the cell phone while driving is frowned upon pretty much everywhere, and against the law in some states.

Deus Irae · Dec 9, 2009

BostonBullit said:
If I get to work half hour late because of a car accident and all of my co-workers are already there and got there on time even though we all live in close proximity and drive the same roads then I expect I'd be in some trouble.

1.) The players don't all live in the same housing development.

2.) The players don't all take the same roads.

3.) Even people who drive the same roads can have different driving experiences, and some may be late as a result.

scout · Dec 9, 2009

I'm amazed at the number of fans that are not applauding BB's decision. Football is a game of discipline. If you have to make an excuse for not being there, then that's a huge problem. Ever hear when Bird got to the Garden? Orr? How many jump shots Ray Allen takes? Do you make excuses for not getting to work when it's critical that you be there? I don't. I've walked a great distance to a ****ty low paying job because I didn't have a ride. Like someone else stated, there were probably low level employees there early who took into account the weather conditions. They probably didn't get a pat on the back, they were just doing there job.
The key will be if anyone is ever late again this season (with exceptions being acts of God, accidents, etc).
If someone had stated last nite, that four Patriot players would be late today, I bet most fans would have guessed three out of the four.

RobertWeathers · Dec 9, 2009

aluminum seats said:
I think Belichick should murder Thomas with his bare hands in front of the rest of the team. That would get everyone's attention.

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I've seen this before from managers who made the attempt to prove a point when the team is lacking "teamwork". Very motivational.

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BostonBullit · Dec 9, 2009

Deus Irae said:
1.) The players don't all live in the same housing development.

2.) The players don't all take the same roads.

3.) Even people who drive the same roads can have different driving experiences, and some may be late as a result.

The majority of the players all live in the same little area around North Attleboro. there aren't a ton of roads in and out of Gillette unless you want to include the backwoods routes and if you take those on a morning like this morning then that calls into question your basic judgment.

People who drive the same roads can have different experiences but people who drive the same roads AT THE SAME TIME, unless they themselves crash, will not.

JSn · Dec 9, 2009

I suspect their explanations failed to hold water as they also were unable to employ their mobile telephone technology to explain their situation. I have to believe that would make a difference.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Bill was frustrated that some or all of these weren't putting in extra effort up to the moment of their late arrival.

Frankly, this could be one for the books. We can see NO ONE who can step in and step up at this time, but somehow other teams are turning losing-skids around and with guys no one even knew were on the team.

I think this is going to work out ok, personally.

Deus Irae · Dec 9, 2009

BostonBullit said:
People who drive the same roads can have different experiences but people who drive the same roads AT THE SAME TIME, unless they themselves crash, will not.

That's patently false. I can leave at the exact same moment as my neighbor, even on a clear day, and arrival times can be affected by traffic in individual lanes, light timings, etc...

JSn · Dec 9, 2009

Deus Irae said:
That's patently false. I can leave at the exact same moment as my neighbor, even on a clear day, and arrival times can be affected by traffic in individual lanes, light timings, etc...

It's amazing the lengths some of us must go to for stimulating conversation, lol.

Who gives a crap? Bill is pissed and he's letting people have it.

Leave No Doubt · Dec 9, 2009

JSn said:
Bill is pissed and he's letting people have it.

That pretty much sums it up

aluminum seats · Dec 9, 2009

JSn said:
It's amazing the lengths some of us must go to for stimulating conversation, lol.

Who gives a crap? Bill is pissed and he's letting people have it.

Yup. "Reasonable men adapt to the world. Unreasonable men adapt the world to themselves. That's why all progress depends on unreasonable men." I think Robert Kraft said that.

Brono · Dec 9, 2009

If Wednesday is a key prep day, what does this move imply about the participation of these players on Sunday?

slash83 · Dec 9, 2009

Id be surprised if the sole purpose for them getting sent home was because they were late for a meeting, fined yes sent home unlikely the only reason. Its possible they were sent home due to being late and lack of production as of late to send them a message to step it up. All four of those players have been kinda MIA as of late.

pheenix11 · Dec 9, 2009

I wonder how many people on this board were sent home because they were late for work today.

BritPat · Dec 9, 2009

Brono said:
If Wednesday is a key prep day, what does this move imply about the participation of these players on Sunday?

If Wednesday was a key prep day, why does Moss get it off so often?

It's not.

BradyFTW! · Dec 9, 2009

MoLewisrocks said:
A guy with stones would have sacked up and gotten past it. That's why he isn't here anymore.

Wow, that might be the most ridiculous post I've ever read on this board. For all the kicks you get out of calling others pathetic, I can infer from this post that you're a pretty sad and miserable human being. Nobody has the right to say how someone else 'should' handle their grief over the death of a family member, and Seymour the all pro, borderline HOF NFL defensive lineman has infinitely more 'stones' than MoLewisRocks, the anonymous, random internet poster who has probably accomplished nothing particularly remarkable in his life.

As for the original topic: I don't believe in using weather as an excuse. If you're supposed to be somewhere, be there on time. If you don't know how much time it will take, leave even earlier than you probably have to. Barring something unforeseeable, like a car accident, you should always be on time, no exceptions. If I could maintain that philosophy through a bunch of college courses that I was *paying* to attend, and a bunch of days of work at jobs that paid only a fraction as much as these guys make, then they need to be able to get to work on time too. That said, I'm not sure that it's such a huge deal, really. Wouldn't surprise me at all if this stuff happens with more frequency than we realize, but usually happens in less high-pressure situations, so it goes mostly unnoticed and unreported.

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