Suspect drafting past few years

The Intimidator · Dec 7, 2009

JackBauer said:
You cannot be serious.

Look above.

Deus Irae · Dec 7, 2009

The Intimidator said:
Look above.

There's really no need. That ridiculous claim about the Colts' tackles says it all.

JackBauer · Dec 7, 2009

The Intimidator said:
Look above.

I'm pretty sure the only utility Ugoh has is warming up the bench.

SCPatBoy · Dec 7, 2009

Deus Irae said:
McGowan says "hello", along with TBC, Fred Taylor and, arguably, Leigh Bodden, and Moss and Welker were both trades, although Welker's trade was a result of his RFA status.

There's a difference between loving the drafts and acting as if they've been terrible. There's a middle ground that people seem to be avoiding for no good reason.

Name me the team that does this perfectly, and you'll be naming a team that's never existed.

OK. I'll give you Bodden considering our Secondary, McGowan, I guess I'll be neutral on that, but the fact that TBC is being highlighted as a good signing is a testament to just how far our defense has fallen. I like TBC but him being our best pass rusher is more to do with how bad our outside LB's are then it has to do with him being good.

Deus Irae · Dec 7, 2009

SCPatBoy said:
OK. I'll give you Bodden considering our Secondary, McGowan, I guess I'll be neutral on that, but the fact that TBC is being highlighted as a good signing is a testament to just how far our defense has fallen. I like TBC but him being our best pass rusher is more to do with how bad our outside LB's are then it has to do with him being good.

Your argument was good free agent signings. TBC was a good free agent signing, and McGowan has been a tremendous free agent signing to date. He's been one of the best of the Belichick era.

patriotsdynasty12189 · Dec 7, 2009

HEY BRO! WHAT UP? said:
I understand he had a sprained knee but hasn't it healed already? We don't hear anything about it.

Also, it's not that hard to adjust to a 4-3 considering he played that in college. That's a poor argument.

Oh man, what team do you play for again???

sbpatfan · Dec 7, 2009

It's kind of funny to come to this board and see everyone cry about the Patriots being in a rebuilding year at 7-5, I see less *****ing from other fans when their teams are rebuilding at 4-12.

The Intimidator · Dec 7, 2009

JackBauer said:
I'm pretty sure the only utility Ugoh has is warming up the bench.

I said he was a piece there, and no he isn't warming the bench, he is part of the rotation there.

patriotsdynasty12189 · Dec 7, 2009

Serious, if you dont like it, dont watch it. Dont complain about it and bring everyone else down.

The Intimidator · Dec 7, 2009

patriotsdynasty12189 said:
Serious, if you dont like it, dont watch it. Dont complain about it and bring everyone else down.

Im just putting out some simple facts there buddy. This is what this thread is about isn't it? Now if you want to be a Pats suck up and not be objective to the move they make, this isn't the place to be.

The_Riddler · Dec 7, 2009

Deus Irae said:
Your argument was good free agent signings. TBC was a good free agent signing, and McGowan has been a tremendous free agent signing to date. He's been one of the best of the Belichick era.

IF you throw shi* against a wall long enough, eventually a piece of it will somewhat stick to some part of that wall.

Monty Beisel
Duane Starks
Tank Williams
Fernando Bryant
Joey Galloway
Greg Lewis
Alex Smith
Donald Hayes
Doug Gabriel
Derrick Burgess
and on and on and on

You re-up guys like James Sanders and that stiff RT Kazcur and we're supposed to kiss BB's rings ? Not me. If it looks like shi* and it smell like shi*, the chances are.....it is in fact shi*

It is time to get a good personnel guy in the FO and let BB stick to just coaching and defensive game plans.........

mgteich · Dec 7, 2009

Belichick added Bodden, Springs, Banta-Cain, Burgess and McGowan to the defense. We'd have a losing record without these players. And BTW, none cost us much cap money.

The_Riddler said:
IF you throw shi* against a wall long enough, eventually a piece of it will somewhat stick to some part of that wall.

Monty Beisel
Duane Starks
Tank Williams
Fernando Bryant
Joey Galloway
Greg Lewis
Alex Smith
Donald Hayes
Doug Gabriel
Derrick Burgess
and on and on and on

You re-up guys like James Sanders and that stiff RT Kazcur and we're supposed to kiss BB's rings ? Not me. If it looks like shi* and it smell like shi*, the chances are.....it is in fact shi*

It is time to get a good personnel guy in the FO and let BB stick to just coaching and defensive game plans.........

The_Riddler · Dec 7, 2009

mgteich said:
Belichick added Bodden, Springs, Banta-Cain, Burgess and McGowan to the defense. We'd have a losing record without these players. And BTW, none cost us much cap money.

Any comment on the guys in the list ?

patsinthesnow · Dec 7, 2009

Agree with almost everyone. 2006-2008 was average. 2009 looks very promising.

I think 2010, 2011 are crucial in keeping the playoff-caliber team alive, if those drafts bomb, its over.

The Dynasty · Dec 7, 2009

patsinthesnow said:
Agree with almost everyone. 2006-2008 was average. 2009 looks very promising.

I think 2010, 2011 are crucial in keeping the playoff-caliber team alive, if those drafts bomb, its over.

Yes, these next 2 years are very big draft years. Look at the picks that we have, we need to make these productive picks and I have no doubt in my mind that BB and staff will continue to have very successful drafts drafting impact players.

mgteich · Dec 7, 2009

Every year Belichick brings in lots of free agents, often several players for the same position. Comeptition is good. Every year some make the same and some don't. Some perform during the season, some don't. Some get injured, some don't. With 100% hindsight, 2/3 of the free agents signed by any team would have been signed.

This year is a fine example. We signed many, many defensive free agents. Only Burgess hasn't really played well. Even he is playing well enough to deserve a roster spot. On the offensive sid of the ball, we brought in lots of receivers. Edelman beat out Lewis for a roster spot and for reps. That's NOT a bad thing at all. Belichick has been the master of bringing in old vets that no one wanted and see whether they have anything left. Yes, and for every McGowan there is a Galloway. But that's fine.

The only year where I personally thought that the front office did a lousy job securing free agents was in 2005 when we couldn't secure an ILB or WR to save our lives. We still made it to the playoffs.

QUOTE=The_Riddler;1629925]Any comment on the guys in the list ?[/QUOTE]

HEY BRO! WHAT UP? · Dec 7, 2009

mgteich said:
Only Burgess hasn't really played well. Even he is playing well enough to deserve a roster spot.

You forgot Springs. He's been a huge disappointment.

patriotsdynasty12189 · Dec 7, 2009

The Intimidator said:
Im just putting out some simple facts there buddy. This is what this thread is about isn't it? Now if you want to be a Pats suck up and not be objective to the move they make, this isn't the place to be.

What team has an offensive line rotation...?

The Intimidator · Dec 7, 2009

DaBruinz said:
I don't think you realize that the average football career is something like 3 years. Going back over 11 years doesn't do you ANYTHING. Especially when you can't be bothered to put them into perspective. Here, read the red and get educated a bit.

Actually, if you go beyond just putting up the names from 10 years ago and such to see how long some of the players were in the NFL and playing, you get a much better perspective. Thank you for providing me exactly what I am talking about. A list of players with absolutely no perspective.

You failed on two fronts. The first is that you didn't compare it to the other 31 teams in the league. And the second, you didn't bother to provide information needed to determine if the players made it out of Training Camp or were on the team for 3 years and making an impact during that time.

Are you blind? You asked me to compare to a team which I did. All the players which you are outlining what you said. I said the same things about Givens, Branch etc.. You just don't get it. MOST OF THESE GUYS DID NOT MAKE AN IMPACT. Look and read the fine print. You are defending something that can't be defended. I just explained everything you said here. Why don't you stop being such a Pats suck up and get a reality check. MOST OF THESE GUYS HAVE NOT DONE A F####### thing for us. This is why we are here right now. Period. End of story.

MrBigglesWorth · Dec 7, 2009

mayoclinic said:
2009 was a fabulous draft. 2003-2005 were very good drafts. We got excellent value at the #32 position in 2005, which was the weakest draft of this decade - Mankins, Hobbs, Sanders, Cassel, and an extra 3rd in 2006.

Our 2006-2008 drafts had issues, as far as I am concerned:

1. 2006. Maroney was an OK pick, but he hasn't overwhelmed. The trade up for Chad Jackson bombed. Dave Thomas did nothing for us in 3 years at TE, and Garrett Mills was cut. O'Callaghan and Jeremy Mincey weren't particularly good picks. Gostkowski was by far our best pick. We could have picked up guys like TE Owen Daniels, DE Ray Edwards, DE Mathias Kiwanuka, WR Greg Jennings, CB Richard Marshall, and RB Maurice Jones-Drew.

2. 2007. Meriweather was a fine pick, and trading #28 for what turned out to be Mayo and Moss was brilliant. Trading our 2nd round pick for Welker was equally brilliant. But the rest of the draft stunk.

3. 2008. Mayo was a terrific pick. Trading #69 for a 2009 2nd round pick was also brilliant, though less so if Ron Brace turns out to be a dud. The result of the draft has been underwhelming - Terrance Wheatley at #62, Shawn Crable at #78, and Kevin O'Connell at #94 in particular. Jonathan Wilhite has done OK for a 4th round pick. Matt Slater was a reach. Gary Guyton was a steal as a UDFA.

I think it goes back earlier to Ben Watson. that was a pick where BB hoped he'd be a game breaker pick. We all knew the linebackers were aging and the team could have been proactive with this but it came back to bite them in the next few years.

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