MNF recap: Jaworski blames the OL

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Afterlifemobile-86 said:

Where are all the Kaczur defenders now?

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i said that the rookie would take he's job and not light's job and a lot of guy's jumped on me to say he just got a new deal and he's the greatest thing since slice bread lol

now we see he suck's i hope the rookie get's will soon we need him

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Koppen shouldnt escpae blame either. He's dreadful, too small, and DL's are collapsing the pocket up the middle with only 3 or 4 guys. He had the technique to make up for his size a few years back but age is ctaching up with him

Next season we badly need an OG, to resign Mankins and upgrade the C

Oh, and we need a new OC

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maverick4 said:

The O-line isn't at fault, the play calling is.

This game on the offensive side was way too eerily similar to how we got stuffed in the 07 Superbowl.

Teams scouted us and knew our favorite tendencies, and stuffed them.

Welker had 6 catches for only 30 yards. That pretty much tells you how predictable we were to the opposing defense.

Don't go saying the Saints D-line was unstoppable or that their secondary was elite, the problems are with offensive play calling.

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:agree: Good points.

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Typical quarterback. The only players that matter are Brady Welker and Moss.

Funny, the defense knows that too, maybe that's the problem with our offense from the second quarter on?

If it's protection, and only two receivers matter, why not play some max protect, or keep a RB in instead of going five wide and getting nothing?

Yeah, but I guess Moss and Welker were the keys to our great SB years....oh wait.

Maybe instead of the line...must play...better! ... We could have a varied game plan that takes the pressure off and puts the defense on the defensive.

Mr. Jaworski, Tom Ashworth and Brandon Gorin say hi.

By the way, do you think smart teams try to stuff Welker, like we stuffed Marshall Faulk in the SB, to throw off rhythm?

I imagine our three man team of Brady Welker and Moss becomes easier to defense as the game goes on.

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All these posters calling for a different game plan must have some plays up there sleeve that work when the defenses 3 man pass rush/8 men in coverage scheme gets pressure on the QB before he is even completed his drop as was happenning on numerous occasions last night. That is impressive knowledge on this board since there probably isn't an offensive coordinator in history who had plays for that scenario.

Jaws is right about the line playing terrible last night. It probably wouldn't have meant a different result since if the Pats scored 60 the Saints would have scored 70.

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It's axiomatic. When Maroney is your best offensive player, you are basically screwed.

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I have been looking throughout threads this am to comment on and this in the one.

Look, if Brady has protection we can at least compete better. The D will continue to need a lot of work, and maybe someone needs to instill a little bit of pride in these guys. Go out there and earn your paycheck. Now I don't know if this is a communication thing or a talent thing or a system thing. From what I can tell this year I honestly think we do have talent on defense, I am leaning more towards communication and system.

Back to the O-line. What is Vollmer's status with the head. Brady has great talent...duh....he needs protection. Kazcur is not getting it done. Sorry fellow canuck but you have to sit for a bit. I would put Vollmer at right tackle. Brady needs protection and to treat all receivers the same. Throw to the open guy, like he always used to b4 Moss. Also get 12 back under centre and throw some screens, man I love that play and get your blocking to complement. Close to 50% shotgun? Come on man...At times we have had a fantastic screen game. I would love to se that used more often. You saw how pissed Kevin was last night. Get him in on these plays. 33 is an all-star, get that play back in the mix.

Please, someone tell BB. Brady needs to be protected at all costs. We have issues all around this team but you can at least compete by giving 12 time to go to work. It is a proven fact that beating the patriots means getting to Brady.

Donte needs to re-evaluate his line in the off-season and salvage what he can this season. Brady needs time to find the open receiver...

...it's on to Miami. And there is one thing that's for sure. Porter will be running his mouth at home, that team will be hungry at home, it will be loud and noisy and hostile and Brady seems to have trouble there. Say what you will but a win there is a quality win in my books and will be a good rebound and may be a bit of medicine and provide a bit of confidence that this team needs. I like the fact we are going against Miami in Miami this week. Please boys make a statement down there.

Protect your qb.....

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That's just how important Neal is to this line. Remember last year how the OL looked in the early part of the season. Then Neal comes back in the Denver game and they turn it around completely.

Our first drive was brilliant with Neal in there, then he gets injured and the Saints get pressure on Brady without trouble.

I also think Volmer has to start once he is safe to play. I don't know who comes out, but he was playing way too good to have both Light and Kaczur in over him.

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PATSYLICIOUS said:

That's just how important Neal is to this line. Remember last year how the OL looked in the early part of the season. Then Neal comes back in the Denver game and they turn it around completely.

Our first drive was brilliant with Neal in there, then he gets injured and the Saints get pressure on Brady without trouble.

I also think Volmer has to start once he is safe to play. I don't know who comes out, but he was playing way too good to have both Light and Kaczur in over him.

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Uhhh...Neal went back in the game in the 2nd quarter so your theroy that Stephen Neal makes the OL makes no sense.

When Vollmer comes back, Kazur is out and probably Vollmer plays RT. Id like to see him at LT protecting Bradys blindside but Lights been a LT all his career, tough to move to RT now

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OL needs to be Light-Mankins-Koppen-Neal-Vollmer.

They need to become a playaction passing team to have any chance this year. The 5 wide is great when you have 5 quality receivers, not so much when you have 2. Play to your strengths - two stud receivers, and a quality stable of backs. Problem is, I think, the defense can't hold up against the top offenses, and BB panics and wants to throw it all over the place.

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The Dynasty said:

Uhhh...Neal went back in the game in the 2nd quarter so your theroy that Stephen Neal makes the OL makes no sense.

When Vollmer comes back, Kazur is out and probably Vollmer plays RT. Id like to see him at LT protecting Bradys blindside but Lights been a LT all his career, tough to move to RT now

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Maybe Neal was banged up but still better than Connolly. I really think Neal is vital to the O-Line even though he gets banged up a lot.

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I agree with Jaws. This OL seems to wear down and I'm beginning to wonder whether that's at the heart of our second half woes. I think Vollmer coming back will help but there was pressure up the middle too which Vollmer will not help with. Maybe they need to rotate some of these guys in and out to give them a blow because they are consistently looking overmatched as the game wears on. Being forced into a pass only mode doesn't help either but you should be able to protect against 3-4 man rushes, and we're not talking Freeney-Mathis here either.

The defense was exposed for what it is. Adequate against adequate competition but incapable of slowing down the likes of Manning or Brees. Kudos to Brees though. He was a stud all game.

I disagree that playcalling is the problem though. You can only do so much when a 3-4 man rush is enough to pressure TB. That leaves 3-4 LBs to cover all of the short stuff with the safeties double-covering downfield. That's why Welker had so few yards after the catch.

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JFK said:

Maybe Neal was banged up but still better than Connolly. I really think Neal is vital to the O-Line even though he gets banged up a lot.

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Of course hes better than Connolly, thats why Neal starts....

Neal is vital to the OL, just as the rest of the starters...(well maybe, not Kazur)

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We could have Oher in the draft and passed on him only to see him perform nicely with Baltimore!

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The Dynasty said:

Of course hes better than Connolly, thats why Neal starts....

Neal is vital to the OL, just as the rest of the starters...(well maybe, not Kazur)

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I meant Neal playing hurt is better than a fresh Connolly. After he got hurt, the O-Line got worse..

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maverick4 said:

The O-line isn't at fault, the play calling is.

This game on the offensive side was way too eerily similar to how we got stuffed in the 07 Superbowl.

Teams scouted us and knew our favorite tendencies, and stuffed them.

Welker had 6 catches for only 30 yards. That pretty much tells you how predictable we were to the opposing defense.

Don't go saying the Saints D-line was unstoppable or that their secondary was elite, the problems are with offensive play calling.

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The playcalling was nowhere near good, I'll grant you that. But neither was the protection for Brady. He was getting hit damn near every time he dropped back. The killer was the pressure the Saints were getting up the middle. The last time I can remember seeing Brady rush that many throws was in Super Bowl XLII. Oh, and the defense also lost the game more than the playcalling did. All in all, here is who I would blame for the loss... in order:

1. O-Line failing to protect Brady.
2. Defense sucking badly.
3. Predictable playcalling on offense.

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KontradictioN said:

The playcalling was nowhere near good, I'll grant you that. But neither was the protection for Brady. He was getting hit damn near every time he dropped back. The killer was the pressure the Saints were getting up the middle. The last time I can remember seeing Brady rush that many throws was in Super Bowl XLII.

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This post pretty much supports my point even more.


People need to stop thinking that shotgun automatically gives you more time and comfort to pass. It make it VERY EASY for the d-ends, corners, and safeties to not even have to worry about the run and play pass all the way. This dramatically improves a pass rush, no matter how good your O-line is. The talent on O-line is way better than what we ever had from 01-04, it's the scheme and predictable play calls that are the problem.

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He's right. And it's been all season with no improvement. If they don't spin right pass them then they are pushing them into Brady. You didn't see that happening to Brees.

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We could probably do our O-line a favor by not going to 95% passing out of shotgun every play in the second half. As has been mentioned, these guys are basically #2's out there now, and Kazur downright sucks.

Defending the pass rush every down is hard enough with a solid O-line, and this line is anything but "solid". The D's are just teeing off we 3 and 4 man fronts. They don't even need to blitz and they are still getting better.

I think that O'Brien doesn't have a clue on how to call for THIS team as a whole. Sure, Brady is super passer and can make every throw if he has time, problem is, his O-line can't protect him like that every down. Run the effing ball some, it's easier on the line.

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SCPatBoy said:

We could have Oher in the draft and passed on him only to see him perform nicely with Baltimore!

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except Oher is getting beaten by good pass rushers as well. getting oher wouldn't have helped us this year. I used to think Oher was good. now i'm not so sure. maybe because he's just a rookie.