Who subscribes to the Mike Felger theory that Branch >> Moss??

Rob0729 said:

I missed most of the interview because of work, but if he is it is a rare occassion. Felger rarely yells over anyone especially guests.

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Nonsense. Felger doesn't know how to shut up, yells all the time, and interrupts everyone. His co-host points it out repeatedly.

Felger is out of his mind. Moss is 1,000 times better than Branch without a doubt. If Felger even wanted to use the postseason comparison, I think that David Givens would have been a better example. He has come up even bigger than Branch in the post season. Anyway, to mention either one of them in the same league as Moss is completely insane.

This is just another case of a media personality taking the very contrarion point of view just to stir up the audience.

Felger has never forgiven the Patriots for trading Branch. He thinks it cost them a Super Bowl, which is arguable, but completely besides the point of that deal.

In his mind, the impact Branch MIGHT have had on that year's team has blown him up in his head to some sort of legendary status, like a sorry, 40 year old car salesman remembering his "heroic game winning hit" in high school baseball, which was really a lucky blooper that was dropped by the outfielder.

Pre-emptive edit: I really just picked car salesman out of a hat. I meant no disrespect to any car salesman who might frequent this board

I don't subscribe to anything Felger says,or writes.

brdmaverick said:

Felger is out of his mind. Moss is 1,000 times better than Branch without a doubt. If Felger even wanted to use the postseason comparison, I think that David Givens would have been a better example. He has come up even bigger than Branch in the post season. Anyway, to mention either one of them in the same league as Moss is completely insane.

This is just another case of a media personality taking the very contrarion point of view just to stir up the audience.

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Felger had the grain of an interesting question, but he overreached. One can debate the ease of shutting down a 'quick' receiver in comparison to a tall, fast receiver, and it will raise some issues. The moment you start using a Moss/Branch comparison and taking the Branch side, however, you've lost your mind.

I actually agree with Rob regarding Felger in comp-arison to the Big Show, which is so insufferable with guests. If callers disagree with them they're quickly shouted down, made fun of, and ultimately hung up on. They're simply incapable of having civil back and forth debates with their callers, they only know how to be obnoxious, which gets old real quick.

Xzibit23 said:

His rationale is that all you need to shutdown Moss is jam him at the line, and that the whole "safety help" argument is irrelevant because all good receivers, including Branch, always face safety help and still produce.

There are many holes in his reasoning, beginning with the simple fact that Randy Moss wouldn't have 142 career TDs, second all time, if he was easy to shutdown.

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Right, I can't agree at all with Felger on this one, Moss is 10x the receiver Branch is, and Branch hasn't had a lot of success outside of New England and his pairing with Brady.

However, it's an interesting topic b/c Branch + Brady = one of the clutcher combinations of wideout+QB you'll find as far as I'm concerned.

And on the other side, I think a lot of people forget how Moss took over on the WOULD-BE game winning drive in SB 42. Like many things, if it weren't for that stupid helmet catch, the whole game would be remembered so differently, and instead of the focus on the defensive collapse, they would've been writing about the offense's gutsy drive to overcome the pesky Giants D. And Moss was a huge part of that drive.

I can see Branch getting cut from Seattle this offseason as its going to finally become financially beneficial, I believe. If I were the Patriots, I would most certainly look into signing him.

Deus Irae said:

Felger had the grain of an interesting question, but he overreached. One can debate the ease of shutting down a 'quick' receiver in comparison to a tall, fast receiver, and it will raise some issues. The moment you start using a Moss/Branch comparison and taking the Branch side, however, you've lost your mind.

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Exactly, the moment it becomes a Branch/Moss comparison, and Branch wins out, is when I start scratching my head. The fact that most callers agree, or at least don't disagree, with his analyses, is a testament to their listening audience and not Pats fans as a whole.

Deus Irae said:

Nonsense. Felger doesn't know how to shut up, yells all the time, and interrupts everyone. His co-host points it out repeatedly.

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Are you sure you aren't talking about Pete Sheppard. Mazz give his crap about being wrong all the time. He doesn't talk over people nor treats them disrespectfully. He does go overboard at time to defend his point, but that is different.

Xzibit23 said:

I actually agree with Rob regarding Felger in comp-arison to the Big Show, which is so insufferable with guests. If callers disagree with them they're quickly shouted down, made fun of, and ultimately hung up on. They're simply incapable of having civil back and forth debates with their callers, they only know how to be obnoxious, which gets old real quick.

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Exactly. There is a clear difference. Felger will disagree with a guest/caller and argue passionately. He never belittles them or talks over them. His points can be ludicrious and he can get into it with callers, but he lets them make their points and doesn't ridicule them for making them.

Deus Irae said:

Felger had the grain of an interesting question, but he overreached. One can debate the ease of shutting down a 'quick' receiver in comparison to a tall, fast receiver, and it will raise some issues. The moment you start using a Moss/Branch comparison and taking the Branch side, however, you've lost your mind.

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I will agree with you there.

Rob0729 said:

Are you sure you aren't talking about Pete Sheppard. Mazz give his crap about being wrong all the time. He doesn't talk over people nor treats them disrespectfully. He does go overboard at time to defend his point, but that is different.

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I'm positive. Look, if his co-host can say it, perhaps you can admit it. The funny part is that I have no problem with hosts doing that, especially when the format is designed around it, the way the Big Show is. I know you're biased on this, but come on. Claiming that Felger doesn't do that?

Rob0729 said:

Exactly. There is a clear difference. Felger will disagree with a guest/caller and argue passionately. He never belittles them or talks over them. His points can be ludicrious and he can get into it with callers, but he lets them make their points and doesn't ridicule them for making them.

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Ok, there's just no way in hell you can listen to Felger's show and make this claim with anything approaching a straight face.

Deus Irae said:

Ok, there's just no way in hell you can listen to Felger's show and make this claim with anything approaching a straight face.

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Actually I can. I mean there are times he talks over callers. But Dale and Holley at times talk over callers. There are times he might be a little condescending. But again there are times that Dale and Holley are too. But I am talking about the norm.

I will edit that I should have used rarely and not never.

I don't understand this at all. If I listened to their crap I would call up and make them look like the fools they are. Branch vs. Moss shouldn't even be a conversation. Seriously. One guy is a HOF lock and in the discussion of Top 2 WR of all time, puts up 1000 Yds and double digit TDs every season like clockwork, and is one of the most explosive deep threats in the history of the game. The other is a guy who not once had a 1000 yard season, had 5 TDs as a career season high, and had a career 12.9 Y/R. That would be like comparing Mark Loretta to David Ortiz. It's ludicrous.

I love Branch. I love the plays in the SB, I especially love the play vs the Steelers down the middle. I'd love to have THAT Branch (03-04) on this team... as a #3 receiver.

Branch isn't even Wes Welker, let alone RFM. Randy Moss is all-world, all-time. People will talk about RFM to their children's children. Branch was a solid recevier for a team with a wonderful defense and gritty, talented QB.

I love Branch, but let's get real people.

I was not listening, had to tune these guys out this week since they've been so overboard over the 4th and 2. Both Felger and Mazz dislike BB and look for any opportunity to bask him. I've been hearing their mantra all year about how bad of a GM BB is and now they are delighting in the 4th and 2, going into all sorts of discussions about how bad things are under BB and how desperate the Pats are for a locker room presence to calm the storm that surely exists. Have either of these guys set foot in there recently?

I will again tune in next week though as Felger can be entertaining and I agree that he does not shout down callers like the big show does.

Mazz has really been getting on my nerves though and has even managed to make Felger come across as almost likeable.

as for Branch or Moss, Moss hand-down in his prime. He has lost a step though so he's not the threat he used to be. Still very good with great hands and body control (that's what she said) but I don't think he's all-world anymore. If I had to choose between he and Welker I'd take Welker. I love having both though.

So I take it that F&M duo are equivilant to Mike Francessa here? Jerks

brady et al fan said:

as for Branch or Moss, Moss hand-down in his prime. He has lost a step though so he's not the threat he used to be. Still very good with great hands and body control (that's what she said) but I don't think he's all-world anymore. If I had to choose between he and Welker I'd take Welker. I love having both though.

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Moss has lost a step? Record breaking '07 season, SOLID 1,000 YD, 11 TD season with the BACKUP QB playing, and this year he is ONLY leading the league in receiving yards. He is on pace for 103 Receptions, 1584 Yds, and 12 TDs. That would be just his 3rd season with 100 receptions and 2nd highest receiving yards. Plus, he has done this with a nagging back injury and a rusty QB through the first 4 or 5 games. Brady missed Moss on more than just a few deep passes that would have gone for big gains/TDs.

So where exactly has Moss "lost a step"?