Did Brady call out the defense with this quote?

L Bizzle said:

I can't listen to audio at this moment, so are you saying that these words did not leave the mouth of TB??

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They did, but in response to the question in that situation why not run the ball on 3rd and 4th and 2...on an offense with Tom Brady, Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Kevin Faulk and Ben Watson on the roster. That it ultimately went to Faulk was based on the pre snap read of the coverage. Who by the way made it save a bs spot...

swheeler23 said:

Thanks. That makes more since. I could not find the entire interview.

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I guess the mediot who wrote the article couldn't or wouldn't take the time to find the article either. I just love those guys. Aren't they awesome? Their reporting is just OUTSTANDING.

KontradictioN said:

I know full well that we've been playing the bend-but-don't-break for a while. And if you check my post history, you can see that I've never usually badmouthed that strategy. I've actually defended the likes of Pees on here for a while. However, in this game, the pressure defense was working on Manning through three quarters. I buy that maybe Wilfork was gassed (given his size) but I don't buy for a second that the entire defense was gassed. If that's the case, practice should be made a lot harder to give these guys better stamina because there wouldn't be any excuse for that given the fact that the Pats dominated TOP. I have to believe that there was another factor besides the D-Line being "gassed" that went into play a soft zone in the 4th quarter. My opinion? They were trying to stop Manning and his receivers from generating big time plays over the top. If that's the case, then whomever called that defense should be slapped in the face because we've seen time and time again that that style of defense simply isn't effective against Manning. He will eat it alive. We had a good thing going through three quarters and we completely abandoned it. What happened when we did? 14 straight points in the 4th quarter and a Colts win.

To sum it up, I'm not sure why we would be calling a four man rush (which, with us, is usually ineffective) if the defensive line was really that tired. The attempt to keep Manning from going up top is noble, however good quarterbacks like Brady and Manning have demonstrated time and time again that they can beat that zone/prevent type of defense and that's exactly what happened. Maybe Bill did sign off on it, maybe he didn't. Given Bill's defensive acumen, I would say that Pees called it and if Bill approved it, he's probably going to be kicking himself for it.

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Two things:

1. Unless, for some reason, a football team behaves differently than every other hierarchical organization, as the CEO, BB is the big picture guy. He may tell Pees "nothing over the top", or "no blitzing" - it is then Pees' job to implement BB's overall plan in the way he sees fit. If BB feels Pees is not implementing his plan, then BB gets on his headset and tells Pees about it. I mean, are you really arguing this?

2. I think it's really easy for fans to say "blitz!" when a team is playing coverage, because a blitz feels like an affirmative action, while playing coverage feels passive. When things are going badly, fans want the team to "do something!" Against Manning, however, you simply have to take your chances giving up the underneath stuff, because he gets the ball out too quickly and he's too accurate on the deep ball for the blitz to be effective. Look at his career stats against the blitz, they are far better than his non-blitz stats.

sound's like he throw he's runing back's under the bus more then he's D

not a big deal

letekro said:

Two things:

1. Unless, for some reason, a football team behaves differently than every other hierarchical organization, as the CEO, BB is the big picture guy. He may tell Pees "nothing over the top", or "no blitzing" - it is then Pees' job to implement BB's overall plan in the way he sees fit. If BB feels Pees is not implementing his plan, then BB gets on his headset and tells Pees about it. I mean, are you really arguing this?

2. I think it's really easy for fans to say "blitz!" when a team is playing coverage, because a blitz feels like an affirmative action, while playing coverage feels passive. When things are going badly, fans want the team to "do something!" Against Manning, however, you simply have to take your chances giving up the underneath stuff, because he gets the ball out too quickly and he's too accurate on the deep ball for the blitz to be effective. Look at his career stats against the blitz, they are far better than his non-blitz stats.

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No, I'm not arguing that. I'm fully aware that BB can do what he sees fit. My point is that we cannot be sure whether or not Pees called the original defense or if BB did. Given BB's acumen and history, I'm pointing at Dean Pees and yes I do know that BB can either give his blessing or he can cancel it and tell Pees to turn up the pressure. My point is that if BB actually called that defense originally, he should be cursing himself out as well as the rest of the team. The Patriots did take their chances, but it was very obvious that Peyton was still going to be able to go over the top again and again. He did so with alarming accuracy. If BB is not able to transition out of that to a defense that is just a little more effective (if not a lot more effective) then we should re-think the whole "defensive genius" nickname. After that first drive, it was very obvious that that particular defense wasn't working. Manning absolutely picked it apart. Surely BB is more flexible in his play calling than that?

patsfan-1982 said:

sound's like he throw he's runing back's under the bus more then he's D

not a big deal

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he wasn't throwing anyone under any bus; he was just stating the obvious, that the best players on O are him, Randy, Wes, Faulk etc.

Throwing under bus would have been "Maroney should have blahblahblah but didn't" (Y'know, like Peyton has done to his line.) This was more matter-of-fact Bellichick-style, i.e. 'these are the people who give us the best chance to win.'

and to reiterate Mo's point, this quote had absolutely nothing to do with the D

L Bizzle said:

I can't listen to audio at this moment, so are you saying that these words (bottom) did not leave the mouth of TB?? If they did nothing else matters

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Yea context and facts never matter to trolls

KontradictioN said:

No, I'm not arguing that. I'm fully aware that BB can do what he sees fit. My point is that we cannot be sure whether or not Pees called the original defense or if BB did. Given BB's acumen and history, I'm pointing at Dean Pees and yes I do know that BB can either give his blessing or he can cancel it and tell Pees to turn up the pressure. My point is that if BB actually called that defense originally, he should be cursing himself out as well as the rest of the team. The Patriots did take their chances, but it was very obvious that Peyton was still going to be able to go over the top again and again. He did so with alarming accuracy. If BB is not able to transition out of that to a defense that is just a little more effective (if not a lot more effective) then we should re-think the whole "defensive genius" nickname. After that first drive, it was very obvious that that particular defense wasn't working. Manning absolutely picked it apart. Surely BB is more flexible in his play calling than that?

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You're digging yourself a hole here. Now you're questioning the guy with 5 rings and a gameplan or two in Canton who sees them in practice every day and is on the sidelines to gauge them with overhead polaroids in hand. Based on you've been watching football on TV for all of your entire young life... Bill is limited by personnel. All coaches are. Fans seldom acknowledge it, they just assume there was an alternative (like a guy from the PS who could have saved them). Bill has more say in who those personnel are than most, coordinator's here have none...But **** happens as games unfold - like injuries to key players, otherwise dependable guys just having a bad day. Like Brady said, they all had numerous opportunities throughout the course of the game to see it didn't ever come to this, and they periodically failed to execute. On 4th and 2 they actually did, only a bs spot negated that. Which is why you have to take advantage of every situation and opportunity over the course of a game or suffer the consequences.

Blitzing Manning down the stretch, let alone with the remaining personnel at his disposal in this game, wasn't gonna save them any more than it didn't in 42. Bill understands that. You just wanted them to do something, anything else because you though if they had they'd have won. That's just not a realistic view of how this game is played as it unfolds.

That's always been the problem with the it's the playcalling crowd. It seldom is, it's more often than not failure to execute at several key junctures. Sometimes players make physical mistakes, sometimes they make mental mistakes. Coaches occasionally make those too (the punt team confusion and the wrong personnel grouping TO's for example). The goal is to execute so consistently well that one of those or a bs call or two doesn't end up biting you in the ass. In a perfect world with perfect players and perfect humans coaching and officiating them, you wouldn't have to deal with that. But nothing is ever perfect, strive as he may for his own team to aspire to that. Bill gets it. The players get it. The fans and media can't always grasp that. That is why they move on while we dwell...

MoLewisrocks said:

You're digging yourself a hole here. Now you're questioning the guy with 5 rings and a gameplan or two in Canton who sees them in practice every day and is on the sidelines to gauge them with overhead polaroids in hand. Based on you've been watching football on TV for all of your entire young life... Bill is limited by personnel. All coaches are. Fans seldom acknowledge it, they just assume there was an alternative (like a guy from the PS who could have saved them). Bill has more say in who those personnel are than most, coordinator's here have none...But **** happens as games unfold - like injuries to key players, otherwise dependable guys just having a bad day. Like Brady said, they all had numerous opportunities throughout the course of the game to see it didn't ever come to this, and they periodically failed to execute. On 4th and 2 they actually did, only a bs spot negated that. Which is why you have to take advantage of every situation and opportunity over the course of a game or suffer the consequences.

Blitzing Manning down the stretch, let alone with the remaining personnel at his disposal in this game, wasn't gonna save them any more than it didn't in 42. Bill understands that. You just wanted them to do something, anything else because you though if they had they'd have won. That's just not a realistic view of how this game is played as it unfolds.

That's always been the problem with the it's the playcalling crowd. It seldom is, it's more often than not failure to execute at several key junctures. Sometimes players make physical mistakes, sometimes they make mental mistakes. Coaches occasionally make those too (the punt team confusion and the wrong personnel grouping TO's for example). The goal is to execute so consistently well that one of those or a bs call or two doesn't end up biting you in the ass. In a perfect world with perfect players and perfect humans coaching and officiating them, you wouldn't have to deal with that. But nothing is ever perfect, strive as he may for his own team to aspire to that. Bill gets it. The players get it. The fans and media can't always grasp that. That is why they move on while we dwell...

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Hold that thought. I'm going to have to continue on with this when I get home from work and have time to go over it. I simply don't have the time to do it here at work. I can only give short responses right now. I do love the "how dare you question the man with five rings" attitude though, and I'll be sure to address it later.

It's a myth that the D had a melt down or were gassed.

The D played very well all game. That bogus PI call gave the Colts 30 free yards, plus saved probably 90 seconds off the game clock.

Go back and look at the Colts drives. Manning was hardly having his way with the Pats D.

Brady's already in Canton. He's earned the right to call it like he sees it. If the Pat's D doesn't like it, they ought to stuff it right down the Jets throats this Sunday, make a big time statement against Drew Brees in 10 days and then take care of business when the game is on the line against the Colts, Steelers or whomever in January.

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Or maybe Brady shouldn't have thrown that lame duck INT as the Patriots were strolling down the field? Or that stupid pass outside that they always throw that never works. The offense and coaching are just as much to blame as the defense.

Brady hasn't earned jack ****.

LeonPowe said:

Or maybe Brady shouldn't have thrown that lame duck INT as the Patriots were strolling down the field? Or that stupid pass outside that they always throw that never works. The offense and coaching are just as much to blame as the defense.

Brady hasn't earned jack ****.

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Talk about going from the sublime to the ridiculous. Forget that Brady didn't even call anyone out... Now not winning every game over the course of 4 Superbowl appearances and 3 Lombardi's equals you haven't earned jack ***...

This truly has become on so many levels a pathetic fanbase.

MoLewisrocks said:

Talk about going from the sublime to the ridiculous. Forget that Brady didn't even call anyone out... Now not winning every game over the course of 4 Superbowl appearances and 3 Lombardi's equals you haven't earned jack ***...

This truly has become on so many levels a pathetic fanbase.

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There seems to be a recurring theme on Patriots message boards, where anyone and everyone can be blamed except Brady. Of course I appreciate what he's done, but first of all, he's not in the hall of fame yet, and secondly, even being HOF caliber doesn't give him the right to call anyone out when he's as much to blame as the defense.

swheeler23 said:

Tom Brady Unintentionally Calls Out Entire Patriots Defense - Word Around Here - NESN.com Read down in the article,you will see Bradys quote.
Not like Brady to throw his defense under the bus,even if he is sticking up for Belichick.

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There's only one problem...

Brady was NOT talking about the defense in this quote. It was the running game.

LeonPowe said:

There seems to be a recurring theme on Patriots message boards, where anyone and everyone can be blamed except Brady. Of course I appreciate what he's done, but first of all, he's not in the hall of fame yet, and secondly, even being HOF caliber doesn't give him the right to call anyone out when he's as much to blame as the defense.

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Why do we always have to play the blame game??? Brady himself said there are 53 players and coaches who share responsibility for every win and loss. That is why the players here don't play the blame game, although the fans are elevating it to an art form.

He's a first ballot HOF lock and he didn't call anyone out. Not to mention he's the one guy on this team who always acknowledges he could have and must play better and his teamates and coaches must do better even in wins.

Reading and apparently listening to provided links is a lost art.

LeonPowe said:

Brady hasn't earned jack ****.

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Just a silly statement. Goodness......

Would it not have made more sense … to run it once and see if you had fourth-and-1 … and then run it again for fourth down?

That’s another decision. Who knows? It’s easy to say, but you have Kevin Faulk and Wes Welker and Randy Moss and a damn good O-line and Ben Watson out there. It’s hard for me to think that I’d want to put the ball in anybody else’s hands other than myself and those guys that I mentioned. If [the Celtics are] taking a 3-pointer at the end of the game, do you give it to Ray Allen, or do you give it to the seventh man coming off the bench? You’ve got to give it to the guy who you think is going to make the shot.

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It Is What It Is Tom Brady on D&C, 11/17


There is the question that led into the quote.

Again, he wasn't even talking about the defense. Whoever wrote the NESN article didn't even look up the full quote.

Seriously, I could understand if they thought it was a slight towards Maroney or something, but who in the hell decided that was calling out the D?

How do people make such horrendous mistakes as not even attempting to find the context of a quote, and STILL keep their job?

This is another case of the media making an issue where none exists. You know, I hate to be sexist, but this article and the other article that was posted a couple days ago, really makes me wonder if women should be allowed to write about football. My 13 year old daughter is smarter about football than these bimbos.

LeonPowe said:

Brady hasn't earned jack ****.

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Holy f... sh!t.