Ray Lewis's premature 4th down celebration

Holy Diver · Oct 5, 2009

can someone post a link?

rusH1023 · Oct 5, 2009

Metaphors said:
Ray Ray has jumped the shark. The only way he gets attention now is by praying in front of a camera whenever someone gets hurt, looking for laterals during interception returns or scaring reporters with his mental patient sweating tendencies and manic facial expressions in post-game interviews.

BTW, he must do the same to the guy who counts tackles for the Ravens defense. He was credited with 7 solos (14 total) and I can't recall more than 2...and one of those was Brady's slide when Ray Ray almost "McNabbed" him.

Just awesome.

Baltimorefan06 · Oct 5, 2009

BradyFTW! said:
I remember Adalius saying in an interview that a lot of the linebackers that played with Ray weren't huge fans of him for that reason (I think Hartwell was another that didn't like him). Basically, he had sort of a reputation, according to them, for 'finishing' their tackles and then getting credit for them.

Someone should let Ray know that he would be better off to let other players "finish their tackles" and hope for the best.

If the offensive player escapes and break an 80 yard run, then Lewis can just state that he was looking our for this teammates' interests!

Baltimorefan06 · Oct 5, 2009

Dr Pain said:
Ray should not only get fined for that unassisted dive he took low on Tom but also one for when he took a dive on Tom after Tom slide feet first. If Tom didnt put his head down he would have lost it.

So basically, Tom Brady cannot be touched.

Baltimorefan06 · Oct 5, 2009

MetalBleachers said:
Yeah, that was weird. When I first saw the play I cringed because I thought a Raven had the ball and was running with the fumble, but it turned out to be Ray Lewis "celebrating" a Pats first down.

The more I watch the Ravens, the more their overall weakness appears to be a lack of individual discipline. It's like they get so emotional that when things don't go well they tend to break down a bit, make mistakes, lose momentum as a team. Anyone else think that's true?

Tell that to a much more emotional unit, the best defense of all time - 2000 Baltimore Ravens?

Anyway, how do you guys know for certain that Ray thought it was fourth down? Maybe he was just trying to get his guys amped up after having kept New England out of the endzone for one play that close to the goaline, and Ray wanted to keep the intensity up?

ALP · Oct 5, 2009

LOL, i saw it

and if u watch closely, u see morris (who go tthe 1st down) looking at him, and then looking straight forward, and flipping the ball in the air while motioning 1st down

LOL, obviously morris didnt get what lewis was doing

Baltimorefan06 · Oct 5, 2009

TheBaronPatriot said:
I agree with you.
That's the price you paying for being such an emotional team.
It's a double edged sword.
It allows you to do great things but does not help your consistency.
Because when you get down, it can make the lows lower.

I see this mark in the Jets.
I think once they get smacked in the mouth and I think it's only a question of when they too will turn into an undisciplined bunch that will be pointing fingers.

The Jets will fall apart because Rex Ryan is too blitz happy, not because the intensity comes from the players.

I've hijacked this thread

tombonneau · Oct 5, 2009

PatsFaninAZ said:
He's a fabulous player.

The celebration, though, is shocking. How can he not be aware of the situation there? I doubt he would have played it any differently, but if he thought the team was in a goal to go situation, who else on the team did? Maybe it was coaching. Still, it's rather amazing that even after a minute timeout to measure, one of the key defensive players on the field did not understand the down and distance on a crucial play.

Had they not measured I could maybe understand, but given that the chains were just brought out (and Ed Reed & Co. made a huge fuss, even though you can call for a measurement whenever you want) it was pretty shocking that he thought it was 4th & Goal. Just wish the announcers had picked up on it.

But really, all you need to know about Ray Lewis in that game is that Brady plowed over him on a TD sneak.

/case

Metaphors · Oct 5, 2009

Baltimorefan06 said:
Someone should let Ray know that he would be better off to let other players "finish their tackles" and hope for the best.

If the offensive player escapes and break an 80 yard run, then Lewis can just state that he was looking our for this teammates' interests!

Missing the point. If you discount Brady's slide, I believe Ray Ray had a single solo tackle in the game (at least I didn't see another one). Yet somehow he ends up with 14 combined tackles. Meanwhile Jarret Johnson finishes with 6 solo tackles (not sure if that is accurate, but I wouldn't doubt it), a sack and was a general nuisance in the backfield.

It's funny though. I don't recall seeing Johnson on any of the sports shows today. Maybe I missed him.

shmessy · Oct 5, 2009

tombonneau said:
But really, all you need to know about Ray Lewis in that game is that Brady plowed over him on a TD sneak.

/case

Bingo.

And all you have to know about Tom Brady is that he went RIGHT AT LEWIS on that sneak the VERY NEXT PLAY after Lewis kamikazi'd him on the qb run/slide.

Brady didn't complain. He just blasted him until next year on the following play (which may explain the later Lewis braindead celebration on the Patriots 4th down conversion - Brady probably worsened his last week concussion).

BradyFTW! · Oct 5, 2009

shmessy said:
Bingo.

And all you have to know about Tom Brady is that he went RIGHT AT LEWIS on that sneak the VERY NEXT PLAY after Lewis kamikazi'd him on the qb run/slide.

Brady didn't complain. He just blasted him until next year on the following play (which may explain the later Lewis braindead celebration on the Patriots 4th down conversion - Brady probably worsened his last week concussion).

What jumped out at me was that the Pats seemed to run at Lewis all day (can't say definitively until I watch the game again, since I always get too caught up the moment/getting drunk on the live broadcast). That's the story that nobody's really talking about, because we had some decent success running right over him, and it's well-documented that teams usually suffer after playing the Pats since they just piggyback on Belichick's strategy. If Belichick's identified Lewis as a weak link, then they're in trouble.

BradyFTW! · Oct 5, 2009

Baltimorefan06 said:
Someone should let Ray know that he would be better off to let other players "finish their tackles" and hope for the best.

If the offensive player escapes and break an 80 yard run, then Lewis can just state that he was looking our for this teammates' interests!

Not while the play was still going on, and not even his fault necessarily. Just the premise that, if he's even near a tackle when it's made, he's getting credited for it.

As for Hartwell, he not only shares a friendship with Thomas but also a bond, because the two both played under Lewis's large shadow in Baltimore, which wasn't always the easiest assignment. Hartwell wasn't the only linebacker who sometimes felt Lewis received credit for plays he wasn't always making.

"You noticed that, too?" Hartwell said, when asked if Lewis sometimes jumped on top of a pile to be credited with a tackle. "Ray has had a great career and obviously he's gone out and made plays. That's who he is.

"But sometimes he might barely touch a guy, and if that's what worked for Ray and the TV would keep mentioning he was in on another tackle, why wouldn't you do it? People might say to me, 'Edge, you're being overshadowed, making plays and not getting the credit,' but it didn't bother me. The respect that mattered to me was when you turned on the tape and people saw that I was making plays."

Also:

Ray Lewis Responds To Adalius ThomasVideo

The great thing about this is that you get 1) Lewis missing the point, and 2) Lewis once again publicly blaming someone else for losses (his own coach, in this case). This is a constant thing from Ray- it's what he's known for.

If you can't tell, I don't think much of Ray Lewis. Absolutely amazing football player, and the negatives that his 'leadership' brings were worth it at one time, but he's not that player anymore. He's still very, very good, but he's also a large part of the reason why the Ravens are consistently undisciplined. You might think the tradeoff is worth it, but I certainly don't. Their lack of discipline probably cost them the game yesterday, and that wasn't the first one and won't be the last.

Fixit · Oct 5, 2009

Baltimorefan06 said:
So basically, Tom Brady cannot be touched.

Actually, no. That's a rule, too. You wouldn't know that, though, as the refs apply much stricter rules to Baltimore than they do for any other team.

patsox23 · Oct 5, 2009

People who think Ray Lewis has "lost it" aren't paying attention. He's still a very, VERY good linebacker. I'd take him on the Pats in a heartbeat, as would Belichick, I'm sure.

Mike in 333 · Oct 5, 2009

That was just one of the bad spots he whined about after the game.

dhamz · Oct 5, 2009

patsox23 said:
People who think Ray Lewis has "lost it" aren't paying attention. He's still a very, VERY good linebacker. I'd take him on the Pats in a heartbeat, as would Belichick, I'm sure.

Apparently it is the entire rest of the NFL that wasn't paying attention as Lewis drew almost no interest as an UFA this past offseason.

Metaphors · Oct 5, 2009

patsox23 said:
People who think Ray Lewis has "lost it" aren't paying attention. He's still a very, VERY good linebacker. I'd take him on the Pats in a heartbeat, as would Belichick, I'm sure.

Totally disagree on Ray Ray fitting on the Pats. Does he strike you as a player that will defer to others in the locker room? This is Belichick's team with Brady as the top dog in the locker room. Mayo is growing into the leader on defense. Ray Ray (as well as a host of similar players) would be a chemistry nightmare.

Don't think very many people are saying he has "lost it", meaning he has nothing left. He just isn't great anymore. Even your glowing assessment was a B+ at best.

So what do you think he does exceptionally well THIS season? He isn't a liability. I'm just not sure how much of an asset he is beyond the replacements that are available year-to-year.

ALP · Oct 5, 2009

lol

ppl are afraid to say it about Lewis, cuz theyd be the first, but it will prob gain steam by the end of the season...

Ray Lewis is NOT a great LB any more.....hes an Above Average to Good LB

thats it

and no, i would not take him on the pats if u paid me

BennyBledsoe · Oct 5, 2009

God's linebacker, my ass.

I don't care how good he is (and he is), I wouldn't want that vain loud-mouthed arrogant ignorant jackass on my team for free...

Well...maybe for free.

shmessy · Oct 5, 2009

Baltimorefan06 said:
Anyway, how do you guys know for certain that Ray thought it was fourth down? Maybe he was just trying to get his guys amped up after having kept New England out of the endzone for one play that close to the goaline, and Ray wanted to keep the intensity up?

Yeaahhh!!!! Woooooo!!!!!

It was 4th and 1 and we gave up 2 yards!!!!!!!!

Let's get amped up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the best laugh today, man!

And if he didn't know it was 4th down, then he is too stupid and unfocused to call himself a professional. Everybody in that stadium with working neurons knew it was 4th down.

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