The Official Pats/Jets Postgame Thread

Sanchez had a 101 QB rating today.

mesoslo said:

We would be 2-0 right now, but we are not because of our offense. At least the offensive problems will be an easier fix.

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Be happy the Pats aren't 0-2 and on the brink. That's where it would be if it wasn't for a miracle...

Again, Tom isn't the same player right now and it's unfair to expect him to be. He needs other guys to step up. The problem is, who are the other guys these days???

Dont let me interupt the doom and gloom, but we lost one game. We lost by 7 points, on the road to a division rival. None of those things spell doom, or the end of the season.
I can think of a ton of things that if we knew 2 weeks ago would happen, we would have done differently. Oh well. I see nothing that has happened that will prevent us from reaching every goal and aspiration this team has, but for a perfect season.
We didn't look any worse today that in the 9 combined losses we had in our SB Championship years.
BTW, can we please at least whine accurately? We allowed 3 3rd down conversions, please stop blaming the loss on 3rd down D.
Carry on Prozacers

cblesz said:

Agree, but please go to YOUR Jet board and stop sucking up space. The Jets won one freaking game...let it go.

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I'm a bit wrong on the late hits on Brady. Sorry on that. Even I am wrong at times.

On an off topic note.... Zune support sucks. They flat out refuse to admit they fubared my Zune 80 gig after I did their firmware "update." Plus they want me to spend $160 to send it to them to "fix" it. Geez... no wonder why Apple is beating them in mp3 player sales.

ctpatsfan77 said:

Not to be facetious, then, but why did BB feel that the benefit of the first-rounder in 2011 (not even 2010) outweighed whatever losses might accrue this year?

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That's a great question. I've been called a homer many, many times here because I pretty much never question Belichick's judgment, but I've been against the Seymour trade from the day that it happened. It's not revisionist history- I said from the get-go that that would probably cost us a couple games this year, and it's already cost us one. Hopefully this'll be the last one, but if Brady and the offensive line don't improve quickly, I can pretty much guarantee that it won't be the last or even the next to last, for that matter.

Doesn't mean that the loss is the defense's fault, but the other teams play defense too. Sometimes our offense is going to have a crappy day, but if your defense is good enough you can salvage a win. Hell, look at the Jets today- their offense was terrible, but they get a W anyways. Because our pass rush is nonexistent and their defense is good enough to make our offense worse than theirs.

Patjew said:

Is it me or did the blocking look awful in general, especially the run blocking (again)?

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It's weird- looked fine at times, but very inconsistent. We just got blown up a couple times- Kaczur getting absolutely crushed by Ellis, who was then able to run across the field and make a tackle in the backfield, comes to mind. If we can't reliably convert a 3rd and 2 on the ground, then we're in trouble.

David Harris said:

You spoil the bunch. there's a lot of good football talk on these boards. Pats trolls are over on Jetsinsider right now as they always are and are breaking down the game. Let's stop with the whining. It was just one game guys, it's a long season. Jets won this one though.


I agree that the problem was that Brady didn't have time to have deeper routes develop and without Welker underneath the Pats playbook was vanilla. The other white kid filled in nicely but Galloway should have his lawn vandalized this week. Moss is still elite but last week Revis shut down Andre Johnson so it's not his fault, especially when Tom Terrific doesn't have any time.

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I'm still not totally sure how I feel about Revis. I watched both Jets games, and from what I see, he's either an elite CB or a very good CB playing behind a great pass rush. Either way, though, the Jets are in great shape with him. The interception was a great catch on his part, but it was largely (IMO) just a bad throw by Brady. It looked like Moss was ready to break that route off, though, so maybe there was a miscommunication.

Re: Couldn't have been more wrong

I thought we would lost to the Bills after they scored their last points: Wrong

I thought we would win today after Brady took over with 5 mins: Wrong

I also thought the defense would need to jell, and the offense would be the strength of the team at the start: wrong

I also thought Brady was going to be Back after Buf: Wrong

I also thought we could handle the blitz, especially since Brady had time even when the jets blitzed: Wrong

I thought our O-line was worse than it played: Wrong

Overall assessment and it's been building since the winter of 2007.

We can't block **** and we can't get open. That's it in a nutshell. We keep talking about all the weapons at Brady's disposal but in fact because of our OL's inability to block most of them are inconsistently useful at best.

The D is in transition but they played well enough to win today. We left 8 points on the field early and it only got worse as the JETS realized they were still in it at the half. If this offense can't put up 20 on a consistent basis, then we're overpaying for a lot of useless weaponry. Moss can't beat single coverage when it's any good or double coverage when it's halfway decent. And we use so many TE's and RB's as blockers there aren't sufficient receiving alternatives available when the pressure is on. The run blocking is equally inconsistent although today they got some big carries here and there but can't break one and can't pound out the short yardage with any consistency.

Brady got decked a ton again today. Yeah, he had time on a couple of throws and missed or the receiver did, and he didn't get sacked. I'd trade a sack or two in exchange for a dozen pressures and another dozen knockdowns. But the blocking is too inconsistent to develop the rhythm and timing this offense has to have to succeed. We spend so much time rearranging protections and as a result everyone plays tight and to cover for insufficiencies they hold a lot and get caught. Brady's too busy rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Defenses are dictating our offense instead of the other way around. And our reactions to those defenses are becoming so predictable defenders are sniffing out almost every play. Some still can't make the play if everyone on offense executes, like at the end of the Buffalo game. But more than a few can no matter what we do.

The defense made a lousy adjustment at halftime. But that's on Pees and Belichick. If it ain't broke don't fix it would have been the better approach. They stopped focusing on pressuring Sanchez and he was able to take advantage of that on one key drive. They got back after him thereafter and were able to keep us in the game albeit to no avail.

There was absolutely nothing special about our ST.

Penalties derailed any momentum they almost achieved.

The coaches should tear the players a new one tonight, and then tear themselves a bigger one.

They will figure something out in the long run but it's never doing to be a cakewalk unless they upgrade that OL. Smart and quick was a viable alternative in the beginning. It's not viable any more because we invested in big weapons and painted an X on our HOF QB. Every team we play gets up for the opportunity to knock us down by knocking him down. They aren't going to stop taking that approach until they are unable to make it a game by targeting him.

g-fresh said:

On defense it still looks like they struggle to cover the pass. Save a few plays, once Sanchez settled in he had all day to find someone to throw to. Like someone else posted, did anyone see Burgess today? For that matter did any of the front seven really show up?

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I thought Warren and TBC played well. Wilfork wasn't bad. Green and Burgess were pretty much useless.

TriplecHamp said:

Yeah im twelve because I want to rep this season of TUF...please GTFO of here dude.

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Sure...just as soon as you grow up. Um, Jersey? 500 posts? Must be a TRUE Jet fan. Seriously, Kimbo Slice? Ha...grow up....gety a job and a life.

Re: Couldn't have been more wrong

I thought Galloway would be a factor in this O by week2. Wrong.
I thought Chris Baker was working something with Brady that might pay off today. Wrong.
I thought Welker was impossible to injure. Wrong
I thought our running game was going to put up #s by now. Wrong.
I thought Id be able to keep it all in perspective because ITS ONLY WEEK 2. Absolutely RIGHT.


Its week 2. The fight has only just begun.

Top 3 Players:

Julian Edelman
Fred Taylor
Vince Wilfork (give this guy his money!)

Need Improvement:

Joey Galloway (he needs to get the "Shawn Jefferson lecture")
Tom Brady (Time heals all wounds)
Jonathan Wilhite (Sanchez's whipping boy)

Disappearing Act:

Derrick Burgess


What went well:

1. The running game with Fred Taylor produced some nice runs, and while he may not have lightning speed, he's a smart runner that finishes his plays.

2. The defense made the vaunted Jets' running game a veritable non-factor.

3. Gos nailed his field goals today.

4. O-Line protection was actually reasonable today given the amount of pressure the Jets brought. Much better than against Buffalo.

What didn't go so well:

1. No pressure on Sanchez. This might be the result of a lack of faith in the LBs and secondary to cover the quick reads, but I thought I saw Sanchez arranging another modelling shoot on his Blackberry back there. Too much time.

2. Offensive imbalance. The Pats abandoned the running game and forced Tom to throw 40+ passes. That's just not going to cut it.

3. Third and short call to Fred Taylor for a slowly developing running play. The Pats got burned with this a few times against Buffalo. Time to throw this play into the circular file.

4. Three red-zone trips: 9 points. The Patriots will not make the playoffs unless this changes. I suspect it will.

5. Passing game abandoning the deep ball. Only two throws to stretch the field won't keep the opposing defense honest.

6. Mental mistakes. Way too many of these plagued any chance the Pats had of sustaining momentum. It has been rehashed here at length already but bears repeating; two delay of game penalties in a row? It was a very Eli Manning-like performance in that regard.

7. Brady is not back yet. Too many missed throws and I'm not sure that all the mistiming on the routes is on the receivers.

8. Special teams coverage. After last week, I'm chalking this up to an abherration.

I'm surprised the Jets didn't try the perimeter more with Mayo out and the trouble Buffalo gave the Pats last week. The Pats' gameplan was to put the game in the hands of Mark Sanchez and he beat them, so there's nothing that could be said for that.

Don't bring the refs into this. Sure, maybe a couple calls were missed (btw, the noncall on the Brady hit was the right call), but some ticky-tack ones were called on the Jets. I think the calling was even-handed in the end.

The Jets came to play, so give them credit for solid win. If the Pats can start turning red zone trips into TDs, it will alleviate a lot of problems for this team.

1-1. The same record the Pats had during one of the Super Bowl runs, and a better record than the 2001 year which also contained a Week 2 loss to the Jets. So keep your heads up. At least there's no pressure for a 19-0 season again.

This team will get better.

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I thought this team had some potential..... I was wrong.




Lets face it. This is not a very good team.

BradyFTW! said:

That's a great question. I've been called a homer many, many times here because I pretty much never question Belichick's judgment, but I've been against the Seymour trade from the day that it happened. It's not revisionist history- I said from the get-go that that would probably cost us a couple games this year, and it's already cost us one.

Doesn't mean that the loss is the defense's fault, but the other teams play defense too. Sometimes our offense is going to have a crappy day, but if your defense is good enough you can salvage a win. Hell, look at the Jets today- their offense was terrible, but they get a W anyways. Luckily for them our pass rush is nonexistent and their defense is good enough to make our offense worse than theirs.



It's weird- looked fine at times, but very inconsistent. We just got blown up a couple times- Kaczur getting absolutely crushed by Ellis, who was then able to run across the field and make a tackle in the backfield, comes to mind. If we can't reliably convert a 3rd and 2 on the ground, then we're in trouble.



I'm still not totally sure how I feel about Revis. I watched both Jets games, and from what I see, he's either an elite CB or a very good CB playing behind a great pass rush. Either way, though, the Jets are in great shape with him. The interception was a great catch on his part, but it was largely (IMO) just a bad throw by Brady. It looked like Moss was ready to break that route off, though, so maybe there was a miscommunication.

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Fair assessment. I think the INT was more Moss not thinking the ball was coming his way than a bad throw. When Randy doensn't think he's the primary he's not locked in. I think at times he does that intentionally to lull the DB but not on that play.

Regarding Revis, a great pass rush makes for improved CB play and Revis is certainly seeing the benefits. But this kid made the Pro-Bowl last season with a very mediocre pass rush. He was right behind Nnamdi's play last year but with this new Rex Ryan attacking D he is now legitimately the best CB in the league. He was on an island with Andre Johnson last week and Randy Moss this week. Shut them both down completely.

dtbrks said:

To be honest, I am glad that's out of the way. Hopefully that will be the "stinker" game of the year.

The play calling needs to improve because teams will look at what the jets did and try to do the same against the offense..

Not one screen play????

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I can only remember one screen play off the top of my head, and it was telegraphed so badly that Strickland wrecked the receiver 2 yards in the backfield without even looking to see if the ball was coming.

In the Superbowl years, I always expected a big game changing play form the defense at some point in the. Now I'm shocked to ever see one.

For me we lost because of

1/ Very poor play-calling. The one time Moss runs a crossing route he picks up 10. What's happened to slants and out routes. Its run, deep or screens and its too predictable

2/ Brady was off. Way off. Sure he was hurried but he missed Galloway wide open in Q1, he made a string of poor throws in Q2 and the miss to Edelman wide open was bad. You know youre going to be pressured so make adjustments

The amount of possession we had Q1 the game should have been over

And the delay of game penalties were just hard to believe

dtbrks said:

To be honest, I am glad that's out of the way. Hopefully that will be the "stinker" game of the year.

The play calling needs to improve because teams will look at what the jets did and try to do the same against the offense..

Not one screen play????

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They were there, they just didn't succeed. Teams arent' having to sell out to get pressure on our QB so they have defenders just waiting on the screens.

Those WR Screens really kept the defense on their heels. Throw in some HB Draws with Faulk and we got a great gameplan, OC!

/SARCASM

slash83 said:

I dont understand why the team does not blitz, against a rookie qb, average wr corps. This defense is frustrating to watch, they seem bored, no intensity no passion.

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I don't understand that either. I thought the Patriots were thoroughly outcoached today. I don't know if the road game after a Monday night game had anything to do with it, but defensively, that was the most passive defense I have seen in a long time. Whatever happened to the aggressive defensive playcalling we used to see in 01-04? With guys walking around, keeping the offense guessing as to who was going to come and who was going to drop back? Almost every single defensive snap their 4 defensive linemen rushed and (assuming the QB dropped back to pass) the rest dropped into coverage. Come on. Man!

And offensively, how many times did we see Brady come up to the shotgun position and waste the entire play clock (and then some on many occasions) surveying the defense, pointing out the Mike, and generally getting no better results as a consequence? I'll give Rex Ryan some credit here because his defense was putting on a clinic on how to keep the offense off-balance. But I thought OUR coach was supposed to be the defensive genius? How about a few more quick slants, or draws, or screens with the o-line pulling out to block? Instead it was, I hate to say it, a Bledsoesque performance by Brady and the offense. Not that he had a lot of time to survey the defense, but ... sorry, but our coaching was not good today. For every defense their is an offensive counterpunch, and today we just couldn't seem to find it.

And what about half-time adjustments, supposedly BB's forte? I won't say the Pats dominated the first half, but they were one or two shoot-themselves-in-the-foot kind of penalties or dropped passes away from having a much bigger lead; they certainly dominated statistically. But the second half the roles were completely reversed - the Pats were thoroughly dominated.

Let's just hope this turns out to be an anomoly. But right now I am wondering whether all the coaching and front office defections (Weis, Crennel, Mangini, McDaniels, Dimitroff, and Pioli) have finally caught up with BB.

It's early in the season. Not having Welker is big, not having Mayo is big. But the running game wasn't that bad Taylor was 8 for 46 and Maroney was 6 for 23. I thought the secondary played pretty well. It had to be a brutal place to play against a team who was totally pumped and in a stadium that was obviously very loud. For all the noise the Jets made during the week, they only managed 16 points