Seymour to Report on Saturday...Ready for Monday's game????

Re: Seymour to Report on Saturday.. Ready for Monday's game????

Unless, you know Seymour is injured and out for the year and neglected to post this fact and source, IMHO, this is single worst analysis I've seen you post for a long time.
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If you cannot honestly say whether "it is more likely" to win with or without a player of the quality of Seymour, then I guess I think much less of your future analyses than before this statement.

You don't know whether it more or less likely the patriots would win the Super Bowl with Seymour on the roster than say Wendell?

There are very few possibilities
A) You have no clue with regard to the meaning of the phrase "it is more likely".
B) You are such a homer that almost nothing would lead you to believe that we are less likely to win the Super Bowl.
C) Your analysis is so poor that you think that a player just traded for a top 10 draft pick is not as good as Pryor and Brace and therefore would have little effect if he were here.
D) You believe that the defense just doesn't matter because the offense will ALWAYS bail out the team and move us to a Super Bowl as they have in the last four year.
E) Other, please specify

DaBruinz said:

Also, what is to say that, with Seymour, the Pats would win the SB... Can you honestly say that they are more likely to win with him than without him? I can't say either way.. So how can you??? Especially since Seymour tends to get hurt (not injured) a lot.

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I believe that the defense will not be as good without Seymour, but I believe that BB looked at the d line and said that we could keep on trucking without Seymour. I liked Seymour and think that he is an outstanding player. That said, he wouldn't be here next year because he wants more than the Pats would pay. BB, being coach and GM decided to speed up events and get a lot more in the bargain. It seems typical BB smarts, and I think that's how many view it (Even though I would be shocked if we actually draft someone with the pick!).

I think the idea that BB said "screw the super bowl, bring on the 2011 draft" is a little foolish. It's amazing after all these years some people don't know that the goal is to win the Super Bowl every year and build the team to be competitive every year.

Who knows what will happen. Injuries in particular cold drastically change tings. I think BB has made mistakes with personnel (every tight end he drafts/trades for, letting Sameul go, etc) but I think he still is right more than he is wrong.

I wish Seymour (and his family) well, and hopefully he has a big Monday night and introduces himself to Philip Rivers-repeatedly!

I just want Monday to hurry up and get here. All the soap opera stuff is getting a mite old for me..

I'm going to be very happy for once, have Jon Gruden in the booth rather than that idiot Korneiser. :singing:

Gwedd said:

I just want Monday to hurry up and get here. All the soap opera stuff is getting a mite old for me..

I'm going to be very happy for once, have Jon Gruden in the booth rather than that idiot Korneiser. :singing:

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Looks like it's over. Seymour has his crap sorted out, is playing Monday and says "I'll be the guy on the QB"

PFT and others reporting.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/12/blindsided-seymour-says-hes-happy/

jsn said:

looks like it's over. Seymour has his crap sorted out, is playing monday and says "i'll be the guy on the qb"

pft and others reporting.

"Blindsided" Seymour says he's "happy" | ProFootballTalk.com

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yayyyy!!!!!!!

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Gopats!!! said:

I can't believe what a baby seymour is being! Talk about being scared to man up and do his job. It's stuff like this that make people sick of these prima donnas!!!!

The union should not win this, but you never know how someone is going to rule. People do stupid stuff all the time! The Patriots traded his rights to oakland and obviously oakland is within thier rights to issue him the five day letter. Seymour is within his rights to do his job and make his millions or sit out and start this whole process over next year. But please, stop being a big baby about it! I know some people love it and cheer when players act like brats, but most of us just want them to act thier age and do thier job, or decide its not for them and find something that suits them better. But the childish games have gotten really old.

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I don't think he is acting like a baby whatsoever. He hasn't made any immature public statements AFAIK, nor has he bashed anyone or complained publicly in any way. A baby is what Terrell Owens did to Philly, or what Ty Law said about Belichick. There's nothing childish about saying "I was blindsided" because I think we all were.

Seymour is trying to use whatever leverage he has available, and I won't criticize him for that. But his problem is that he simply has no real leverage.

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mgteich said:

One would think that after the drought of 2005-2008 (with pretty good teams), Belichick would put a higher priority on winning this season.

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How spoiled we are that 4 years without a Super Bowl Championship is being called a drought

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DaBruinz said:

The NFLPA would be wrong and its pretty silly that they would fight this. Its very clear. Seymour's rights were traded to Oakland. Oakland would expect him to report and by not reporting, they are within their rights to send the 5 day letter.

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The NFLPA (or any players' association for that matter) is pretty much just like a lawyer. They are legally obligated to represent their clients, even when their clients are 100% in the wrong.

I think it's important for the league and NFLPA to iron out procedures if/when this situation occurs again.

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DaBruinz said:

So, in other words, screw the future.. Win now..

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When you have the best team in football, as I think the Patriots do, there is nothing wrong with saying precisely that. Besides, nobody would be "screwing the future" if they didn't take this trade.

DaBruinz said:

Also, what is to say that, with Seymour, the Pats would win the SB... Can you honestly say that they are more likely to win with him than without him? I can't say either way.. So how can you??? Especially since Seymour tends to get hurt (not injured) a lot.

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I don't know about you, but I can honestly say they are more likely to win the Super Bowl with him than without him.

7 days ago, Richard Seymour was one of the best defensive lineman in football. It's amazing how people think a team can lose a player of that caliber and it won't impact your chances to win a Super Bowl.

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It is only on this board can a team be deemed to be screwing the future by failing to trade on their best players for a draft choice two years in the future.

Wolfpack said:

When you have the best team in football, as I think the Patriots do, there is nothing wrong with saying precisely that. Besides, nobody would be "screwing the future" if they didn't take this trade.
I don't know about you, but I can honestly say they are more likely to win the Super Bowl with him than without him.

7 days ago, Richard Seymour was one of the best defensive lineman in football. It's amazing how people think a team can lose a player of that caliber and it won't impact your chances to win a Super Bowl.

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I'm excited about two things: 1. That we will get to keep our pick without having the fight the Raiders or the league for it, and 2. That the non-stop Seymour talk will finally end on this board.

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mgteich said:

Unless, you know Seymour is injured and out for the year and neglected to post this fact and source, IMHO, this is single worst analysis I've seen you post for a long time.

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MG - Did you leave your reading comprehension in the toilet or something? It wasn't an analysis. It was me questioning someone making statements sound like fact when they aren't even remotely close to being so..

mgteich said:

If you cannot honestly say whether "it is more likely" to win with or without a player of the quality of Seymour, then I guess I think much less of your future analyses than before this statement.

You don't know whether it more or less likely the patriots would win the Super Bowl with Seymour on the roster than say Wendell?

There are very few possibilities
A) You have no clue with regard to the meaning of the phrase "it is more likely".
B) You are such a homer that almost nothing would lead you to believe that we are less likely to win the Super Bowl.
C) Your analysis is so poor that you think that a player just traded for a top 10 draft pick is not as good as Pryor and Brace and therefore would have little effect if he were here.
D) You believe that the defense just doesn't matter because the offense will ALWAYS bail out the team and move us to a Super Bowl as they have in the last four year.
E) Other, please specify

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MG - Do you know why I can't honestly say whether or not the Pats are more likely to win with or without Seymour? Because I am not an arrogant ass who acts like he can see the future. Also, because the Pats have changed the defensive scheme from the 3-4 to the 4-3. And in the 4-3, Seymour was lining up at DE on 1st and 2nd downs and DT on 3rd downs. He looked OK during the pre-season, but certainly not spectacular.

As I said back when the trade was first announced, it was clear to me that BB felt that the PROS of adding a top 15 pick in the 2011 draft outweighed having Seymour here for another year, potentially causing locker-room problems, and only getting a 3rd round comp (basically a 4th round pick).. We've already heard from Ty Warren and Vince Wilfork that Seymour was saying how he was likely gone at the end of the season. And with Seymour gone, it frees up money to extend people now.. People like Mankins, Wilfork, etc.

So, 1 year of Seymour and a 3rd round comp vs. a 1st round top 15 pick and extending Wilfork beyond this year...

Considering the Pats turned down sending Wilfork to the Raiders, they believe that extending Wilfork is in their best interest.

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I agree. However, we have been among the very best in this period, and we were one of the best teams ever to play in the NFL before this period. So, yes, to go from 1993 and 1994 to 1995 and 1996, one felt a drought. And to lose at the end in 2007 also felt the same. And last year, it took an injury to Brady.

But yes, we are spoiled. We had one of the best ever (3 in 4 years), and we wanted it to continue.

And there are those who think with a tweak here and there, we might have had another SB ot two.

And yes, some of us felt like it was 1994 all over again or 1997 with a better defense. We were ready to go through the season, favorites all the way, and then win at the end.

So, how should we feel when we are brought to the reality of losing one of our best players and now being one of 3 or 4 being talked about to win the Super Bowl?

Wolfpack said:

How spoiled we are that 4 years without a Super Bowl Championship is being called a drought

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mgteich said:

It is only on this board can a team be deemed to be screwing the future by failing to trade on their best players for a draft choice two years in the future.

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You are always amusing when you get this myopic.

What you overlook is the damage that Seymour can do in the lockerroom. What you also over-look is that the Pats, at best, would have only gotten a 3rd round comp pick for Seymour. I think they were pretty clear that they had no intention of extending Seymour and were going to focus on Wilfork and Mankins and other younger players..

Also, one would think that getting playing time to Brace, Prior, Mike Wright, etc, would be a good thing. That it would allow them to continue to develop and be more productive on the team... I seem to remember that BB's mantra wasn't about having the top 5 or 10 players on the field. It was about having the top 53 players on a consistent basis. And if he feels that having Brace and Green lined up at RDT/RDE is a better combination than Brace/Seymour or Green/Seymour, then its what he's seen.

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Wolfpack said:

I don't think he is acting like a baby whatsoever. He hasn't made any immature public statements AFAIK, nor has he bashed anyone or complained publicly in any way. A baby is what Terrell Owens did to Philly, or what Ty Law said about Belichick. There's nothing childish about saying "I was blindsided" because I think we all were.

Seymour is trying to use whatever leverage he has available, and I won't criticize him for that. But his problem is that he simply has no real leverage.

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I don't even think he was using any leverage.. he did say that after being blindsided, football was the last thing on his mind.

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Patspsycho said:

I don't even think he was using any leverage.. he did say that after being blindsided, football was the last thing on his mind.

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Agreed. Call me crazy, but I actually have a little sympathy for the guy and his situation. I don't care how much money you make, having your family life completely upended like this is going to be tough for anyone.

Now there comes a point when you just have to get over it and move on, but I think a couple days of being in a fog is acceptable.

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DaBruinz said:

PWP - How is the obvious answer "NO"? How do you know how well Seymour will play as a 4-3 DE on most plays and occasionally, as a 4-3 DT on passing plays? I mention this because that was his role during Pre-season. Its clear that the Pats plan on using the 4-3 more this year, if not exclusively...

I admit, Seymour has been a damn good player for the Pats. His was my 2nd Jersey. However, the Pats clearly feel that keeping Wilfork in the fold and bringing Brace in to play along side him is a better option than potentially losing both Wilfork and Seymour and only getting 3rd round comps for them.. If BB did that, People would all be up in arms calling for his head..

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'Obvious' may be hyperbole, but based on his body of work and reported good health and a contract year, rational observers should give the edge to vet Seymour over the combo of replacements, regardless of 3-4 vs 4-3. I think we take a hit on the DL, but BB's action indicates that he's confident that he can do a good enough job regardless in the short run.

As I said, I support the trade because of my subjective assessment of the value of what I expect to be a quality pick when the Pats will need a young impact player. It fits my personal management perspective of how best to run the franchise. As the season goes on, having several fresh guys who can all play (assuming BB is correct) would be an advantage.

EDIT: I'm also strongly supportive of keeping Wilfy as you indicate, if possible

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shmessy said:

Florio, 18 minutes ago (he probably saw it here in this thread):

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LOL. 10ccc

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John Clayton said this morning the Raiders screwed up the trade. Usually, there is a time limit for the player to report, but they neglected to include that. They figured out they weren't going to get their pick back.

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Fencer said:

What if Seymour does indeed fail -- or as the case may be "fail" -- the physical?

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He only fails if the Raiders change their mind about the trade, imo. If he fails the trade is voided or can be renegotiated. If it is voided he comes back to the Pats.