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And the Seymour move was great but trading away your best pass rusher won't help you this year.

...and the question for any objective observer is how much it will hurt (as this was clearly a move that was made with the future in mind). truth is none of us can know at this point.

this is the time of year when people tend to panic about the unknown, so the message for Pats fans, of which I assume you are not one, is not to panic but rather to let things unfold. there are just too many weapons on this team to assume that they won't be part of the picture, one way or the other, come January.
 
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Detriot won all their preseason games last year. He probably predicted them to win the sb based on his "analysis"
 
Eh, I like Smith but his opinion and everyone else's opinion on ESPN doesn't matter to me. A year ago, they were all saying how we needed to get younger, our defense was way too old, long in the tooth, etc. etc. etc. Now we ARE younger on defense and it's still not good enough. Either way, we can't win. We as Pats fans should know that by now.
 
Eh, I like Smith but his opinion and everyone else's opinion on ESPN doesn't matter to me. A year ago, they were all saying how we needed to get younger, our defense was way too old, long in the tooth, etc. etc. etc. Now we ARE younger on defense and it's still not good enough. Either way, we can't win. We as Pats fans should know that by now.

Apparently, some of the clownery is still saying we are old and slow. What else they going to talk about?

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Michael Smith hasn't really liked us since his dustup with BB just prior to leaving the Globe. Making prognostications based on pre season games is a fools passtime.

Smith has a good relationship with Belichick and the Pats. Smith had the exclusive on Belichick's contract extension that he scooped right after Spygate. He even sat on the story on the Pats' request since he had it for a couple months before he ran with it.

Also, Smith was also one of the reporters who were quick to dispell Tom Curran's "Brady is way behind schedule and could need surgery again piece" where he cited sources close to Brady and the team.

I don't think Smith is all that down on the Pats especially since he is probably one of the most connected reporters to this team nationally or locally. I just thought his defensive rankings in preseason especially since the rankings don't differentiate between starters or back ups is just a little silly.
 
Smith has a good relationship with Belichick and the Pats. Smith had the exclusive on Belichick's contract extension that he scooped right after Spygate. He even sat on the story on the Pats' request since he had it for a couple months before he ran with it.

Also, Smith was also one of the reporters who were quick to dispell Tom Curran's "Brady is way behind schedule and could need surgery again piece" where he cited sources close to Brady and the team.

I don't think Smith is all that down on the Pats especially since he is probably one of the most connected reporters to this team nationally or locally. I just thought his defensive rankings in preseason especially since the rankings don't differentiate between starters or back ups is just a little silly.


Smith has connections, just not with Bill. He's tight with several players and perhaps some of the ownership.
 
Smith has connections, just not with Bill. He's tight with several players and perhaps some of the ownership.

How do you know that? Have you talked to Smith or Belichick?

Smith did defend Belichick quite a bit on Spygate while the rest of ESPN blasted him.

Unless you have inside knowledge, you really are just guessing. Belichick has never let on about which reporters he likes and hates although he and Borges have had some go arounds in press conferences. Smith as a reporter wouldn't say who he likes or hates on the air or in print.
 
Michael Smith is an idiot. You don't make claims about the season based on preseason stats.

2007 Preseason: Pats ranked 21st in overall defense. Pats ranked 11th in scoring defense.

2007 Regular Season: Pats finished 4th in overall defense, and also ranked 4th in points allowed.

2008 Preseason: Pats ranked 17th in overall defense. They ranked 27th in scoring defense.

2008 Regular Season: Pats finished with the 10th overall defense; they ranked 8th in points surrendered.


As you can see, preseason doesn't mean ****.
 
How do you know that? Have you talked to Smith or Belichick?

Smith did defend Belichick quite a bit on Spygate while the rest of ESPN blasted him.

Unless you have inside knowledge, you really are just guessing. Belichick has never let on about which reporters he likes and hates although he and Borges have had some go arounds in press conferences. Smith as a reporter wouldn't say who he likes or hates on the air or in print.

I listen... Holley has eluded to it in the past as have some of the locals. I can't remember exactly what it was over but it made their relationship pretty tense just before he left. And Bill isn't one to forgive and forget.
 
Michael Smith is an idiot. You don't make claims about the season based on preseason stats.
That was my reaction - my post wasn't a kool aid drinking opinion on the defense just my LOL at his reason for thinking there's a problem. I could see our defense being anywhere from above average to downright awful this season but the offense will still score enough to win in most games.
 
That was my reaction - my post wasn't a kool aid drinking opinion on the defense just my LOL at his reason for thinking there's a problem. I could see our defense being anywhere from above average to downright awful this season but the offense will still score enough to win in most games.

Pre season is a time for evaluating players and getting work in per game time situations.

Again, the Pats don't gameplan for the preseason and the substitute players to get certain situations. Why that's so hard to comprehend is amazing.

The only thing that can really be evaluated is if the defense/offense is being physically dominated in one on one matchups.

Having watch the Redskins and Eagles, it's easy to verify that both announcing teams noted the Pats being physically dominant.
 
Michael Smith hasn't really liked us since his dustup with BB just prior to leaving the Globe. Making prognostications based on pre season games is a fools passtime.

I wonder what happened, I hadn't heard of anything. I like smith compared to most the the lunatics over at ESPN. (Schefter going there really adds a lot to their NFL coverage) I think Smith is just down on the fact that our D is very new to this system compared to years past. We have lost our 4 most experienced defenders this off-season and it's going to be tough to replace all the little things they did. While we are younger and more athletic we will miss the experience and all the little things common fans don't really notice.
 
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I saw the show. Before they made their AFC picks, I predicted they'd go with the Ravens, the Steelers and someone would pick the Bolts. That was the exact order of the picks too LOL.

Those are 3 very solid and very scary teams don't get me wrong, but yeah, a little fishy when vegas has the Pats as a clear #1 but not bspn. we're getting our share of love too though...peter king and others....but honestly we'd all rather fly under the radar anyway. I love the fact that the crypt keeper is predicting 6 losses for this team. I honestly don't know how anyone who is objective at ESPN doesn't fire him for that opinion, but whatever. He'd be calling the team old if we hadn't gotten younger. You can't win.

Clayton doesn't recognize anyone on the defense anymore so he thinks they will suck. He also keeps talking about how yards or TD passes measure how great QBs are....the fantasy mentality. He must know that stats aren't normalized across the league because some guys have a ton of first round weapons around them, and some guys don't, and some guys play in a dome or a fair weather market and are therefore built into a pinball offensive scheme while others play in a system geared for the northeast weather. so u have to use YOUR EYES to tell you how great a QB is....and with your eyes you have to be able to evaluate DECISIONS and not just how hard a guy throws the ball at his receivers....but Clayton doesn't understand the game so he has to fall back on how many yards or tds they throw. It's laughable.

I love how the media is also trying to make bill look like a meanie for forcing Richard to "relocate his family from massachusetts." If I hear that one more time. It's the NFL. It's free agency. It's the hold out era. Multi Millionaire players change teams and cities and travel and families go with them. the media can't stand BB. He is an ******* to them so they go out of their way to make him look like scrooge.

BB has made mistakes. this isn't the deion branch fiasco. I was the only poster on this board at the time who questioned the sanity of that decision. everyone else was saying, goodbye Deion, you are a selfish me-first guy, we don't need you we're just fine wtih Reche Caldwell and Doug Gabriel, etc.... Having a legit receiver on taht team earns us a ring in 06 and whatever extra 1-2 mill that deion was asking for he was worth and we all know it now.

deion threatened to sit out the REGULAR season and the Pats hadn't dealt with that before. the Pats were looking at Deion's value on the open market as not being very high and using that as leverage against him. But BB refused to acknowledge that Deion's value to the pats was greater than any other team because of his RAPPORT with tom...and that Deion understood this and that ultimately that gave him the upper hand at the table (and rightfully so to a certain extent). the rapport with tom is what made his value exceed what it was elsewhere based on his pure talent alone. Bill really let his ego get in the way of that one and we learned the hard way. And we were talking about FAR LESS money than we are with seymour. The moral of that one was that you better consult with tom before letting a cheap receiver walk who put in thousands of hours of practice with him....they learned and basically any receiver who gets let go now, is a guy who tom doesn't like. But that summer Tom told Peter King that he didn't want Deion to be let go and Bill ignored him and took the economic hard line stance. I'm not suggesting that Bill should ever "overpay" anyone, I'm just suggesting that we totally missed Deion's true value.

I'm objective about these things....that's my only point. When BB is wrong I can admit it....and so will bill, that's what I love about him....he's not afraid to cut a guy he realizes was a mistake even though the felgers of the world will go nuts on the radio.

But you can't sit there and pretend that every move BB makes is wrong like Felger and expect anyone to take you seriously. tonight he even said that the Buffalo had better receivers than the Pats!!! Yeah, the most talented deep threat in the history of the league and the best slot receiver in the game....but Felger says, "yeah, but who do they have after that." You just have to laugh.

but the seymour deal is easily equal net present value....no front office makes decisions based solely on the current season....they'd be laughed out of the league. it's a salary cap system. it's not baseball. it's not just win right now at all costs. the fans dont' get it and they never will. YOU CAN'T KEEP EVERYONE. you have to manage the cap and that means looking at FUTURE years. As great players get older, their performance DECLINES, but their contract value usually INCREASES. If fans could understand this basic economic principle and realize that under a salary cap you have to avoid this AT ALL COSTS. especially when Al Davis gives away his top pick in teh draft.

Sey is going to suck in Oakland. the guy plays when he wants to now. He takes off plays. He takes off games too. He's inconsistent and I really think it speaks about his conditioning. Bill doesn't want him to train down in SC because he knows he ISN'T training....he's BBQing....and giant DTs need to stay in really good shape as they get toward the 10 year mark. borges is a friend and would never admit it, but it's not just the injuries that have hurt richard, it's his age, and also his conditioning. And how much effort is he going to give out in OAKLAND!?

if word had leaked that Al Davis had offered the Pats a high first round pick for an aging DT in the last year of his contract but the Pats balked and didn't do the deal, the radio people like Felger would be SCREAMING at him....after all, he let Cassel go to his buddy Pioli for a second rounder, why wouldn't he be willing to part with Sey at this stage of his career for that kind of value.

They are all being contrarians.

as for whether Seymour's feelings are hurt...who effing cares. Deal with it Richard. you wanted to play hardball with the Pats.....good for you....they can play that game too. It's a business, just like YOU always said.

Same b.s. with brandon marshall. All the former average players who are now commentators acting like he is a "distraction" and not being "a team player"....UM, IT'S THE OFFSEASON....he'll show up and play the games and be a great teammate, just like 9 out of 10 other great players who try to negotiate their way into more money by holding out or being a malcontent. it's a NEGOTIATING tactic. They players are nowadays instructed by their agents to hold out or act dissatisfied with their deals. It's how the league works at the superstar level. Most of the guys on TV, like Dilfer and T. Hasselbeck were not superstars and do not understand this principle.

It's almost always a political reason behind these picks though. for instance it's well known that Michael Smith is desperate to earn national respect and that he's afraid of being seen as a homer. Notice he always makes sure to mention peyton manning AND THEN tom brady when mentioning the best QBs in the league. please don't think that's an accident.

I like the fact that Schefter isn't afraid to say the broncos are underated. I agree and he's right, but most guys who used to beat report for a team -- ESPECIALLY ex-boston media members -- are usually afraid to go there.
 
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Smith as a member of the Boston media hates all our teams and feels the need to constantly prove it.
 
Good, I like that people are discounting us. I didn't like all the favoritism talk anyways. Let the media fellate Indy and Pittsburgh and whoever else like the good old days.
 
dont care about what he says but objectively its not wrong to say that our defense has questions right now. jason campbell of all people was able to throw at and over our corners for e.g . yes preseason granted but nothing wrong in admitting that we have lot of unknown on defense at this juncture and how it will play out unlike the offense.

Well put. We did get some pressure on Campbell that game, but I hear the Redskin's line was suspect to begin with. Also, you're only as good as your record. Everyone, even the Lions, is 0-0 right now.
 
BB has made mistakes. this isn't the deion branch fiasco. I was the only poster on this board at the time who questioned the sanity of that decision. everyone else was saying, goodbye Deion, you are a selfish me-first guy, we don't need you we're just fine wtih Reche Caldwell and Doug Gabriel, etc.... Having a legit receiver on taht team earns us a ring in 06 and whatever extra 1-2 mill that deion was asking for he was worth and we all know it now.

deion threatened to sit out the REGULAR season and the Pats hadn't dealt with that before. the Pats were looking at Deion's value on the open market as not being very high and using that as leverage against him. But BB refused to acknowledge that Deion's value to the pats was greater than any
I'm objective about these things....that's my only point. When BB is wrong I can admit it....and so will bill, that's what I love about him....he's not afraid to cut a guy he realizes was a mistake even though the felgers of the world will go nuts on the radio.

How was BB wrong about Branch? Branch wanted way more money than he was worth. If Bill did as you wanted, we wouldve been paying 6mil a year to a guy who has barely seen the field since that trade. Branch forced that trade, and BB worked with what he had.

The team didnt do to bad that year. Then with a huge lead from the first half of the afccg, the WRs let the team down by playing defense, and giving up a crap load of points.....that is what you're saying right? That if Branch had played defense in the afccg, that we wouldve won the SB in 06? I just want to make sure i read your post correctly. The WRs didnt cost us a SB. Keep in mind, we didnt have a running game that day either. Though i suppose for that kind of money, Branch couldve been a RB too. :rolleyes:

BTW, maybe there is a reason that you were the only one on this board to question the Branch trade.....:eek:
 
Our defense may be awesome or it may be below average. I wouldn't be surprised if it went either way, and I haven't said that for several years. FWIW
 
Our defense may be awesome or it may be below average. I wouldn't be surprised if it went either way, and I haven't said that for several years. FWIW

Actually, Ive been thinking (even before the trade) that the defense wouldnt look too good until about half way through the season. Too many new faces. I think once they've had some time together, they'll start looking good. Im just hoping they have it firing on all 8 cylinders by the POs.

I think the Pats will pull out the wins, but i think we're going to see some 01 Pats. You know, the ugly wins :D. Now without Seymour, I think they will survive, but i wouldve preferred that he was here. I still support the trade when factoring in everything else though. ;)
 
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