Patriots trading Richard Seymour to the Raiders!!!

Personally I think the trade is a good one. Yea it'll suck to lose Big Sey, but we were going to lose him anyway. When you have a chance to get a potential top 10 pick, you take it.

DaBruinz said:

Carter is a better 3-4 DE than Seymour.

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Wait, what?

I think its a brilliant trade. Seymour will be 30 this year. He was going to be gone next year anyway. Pats get possibly a top 5 pick in a year that the rookies will have a cap. Additionally, I don't think BB would have made this move unless he felt very confident in Brace's and Pryor's abilities. And btw, I really like Seymour but this move makes sense. Pats got 8 years out of a top 10 pick and turn and trade him for probably another top ten pick. Brilliant.

patsox23 said:

You won't say I told you so, huh?

"Richard Seymour is the most overrated player in the NFL" is a RIDICULOUS thing to post, even for a hater. The fact we just got a #1 pick for him is one of myriad pieces of evidence that puts the crazy to that idea.

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Well, the fact that it is the Raiders who gave up a #1 pick kind of shoots your idea to ****.
They are the same team, as everybody knows, that gave up Randy Moss for a 3rd rounder.

It's an amazing, amazing move and the other front offices in the league have to wonder how the hell the Pats fleeced the Raiders again.

I jumped up and down when this trade was announced.

The Chiefs and Broncos will be better in 2010 season, making it harder for the Raiders to compete. The Chargers may get worse (Tomlinson declines even more; Merriman gone?), but they won't decline enough for the Raiders to catch up.

Like everybody said, Seymour is over-the-hill, is chronically injured, was probably going to be a FA anyway, and the Pats got more depth this offseason at the D-line.

The highest value Seymour ever had is right now. Even then, no one could have imagined he would be worth a 1st round pick (let alone a pick that will most likely be a top 5-10 in 2011).

Theplayer said:

just about everyone on footballguys.com thinks this is a steal for the Pats...I thought so to when I first heard the news..not sure why so many here don't like the move. A top 10-15(or better) pick for a 30 year old veteran who has definitely slipped the past few years...and was gone after this year anyway.

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I agree, I like the move alot, we're deep enough on the DLine to do this. He was on his way out in 2010 anyway, to steal a potential top 12 pick and free up this CAP room and allowing Brace to speed up is development are all pluses. Seymour didn't justify the CAP number and hasn't for a few years now. Not that he wasn't effective, but he didn't justify the CAP hit he had each of the last 3 years.

This move really benefits two players in particular, those being Burgess and Wilfork. Burgess is much more effective as a down DE in a 43 than he would be standing up, he'll have less responsibility as a down DE, he can pin his ears back and go, that's what knows and loves, he's better from this. Big Vince, if people remember, was an absolute terror playing the interior DT in a Miami ran 43, he was constantly in the backfield, he was unblockable. Both of these guys benefit from this big time. If Vince could do cartwheels, I'm not sure he can, but I am willing to bet he's doing them right now.

Cassidy said:

Well, the fact that it is the Raiders who gave up a #1 pick kind of shoots your idea to ****.
They are the same team, as everybody knows, that gave up Randy Moss for a 3rd rounder.

It's an amazing, amazing move and the other front offices in the league have to wonder how the hell the Pats fleeced the Raiders again.

I jumped up and down when this trade was announced.

The Chiefs and Broncos will be better in 2010 season, making it harder for the Raiders to compete. The Chargers may get worse (Tomlinson declines even more; Merriman gone?), but they won't decline enough for the Raiders to catch up.

Like everybody said, Seymour is over-the-hill, is chronically injured, was probably going to be a FA anyway, and the Pats got more depth this offseason at the D-line.

The highest value Seymour ever had is right now. Even then, no one could have imagined he would be worth a 1st round pick (let alone a pick that will most likely be a top 5-10 in 2011).

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Given Seymour had his best season since 2003 last year, where is your evidence that he's "over the hill"?

I think it's a great trade, too, but it's always amusing to watch people kick guys on their way out the door.

DynastyDriven said:

MikeReiss Patriots trading Richard Seymour to the Raiders today, according to a league source. More to come.

via twitter

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I always like Seymour but i think we can make up for his loss. So imo its a good strategic move by.

Cassidy said:

Well, the fact that it is the Raiders who gave up a #1 pick kind of shoots your idea to ****.
They are the same team, as everybody knows, that gave up Randy Moss for a 3rd rounder.

It's an amazing, amazing move and the other front offices in the league have to wonder how the hell the Pats fleeced the Raiders again.

I jumped up and down when this trade was announced.

The Chiefs and Broncos will be better in 2010 season, making it harder for the Raiders to compete. The Chargers may get worse (Tomlinson declines even more; Merriman gone?), but they won't decline enough for the Raiders to catch up.

Like everybody said, Seymour is over-the-hill, is chronically injured, was probably going to be a FA anyway, and the Pats got more depth this offseason at the D-line.

The highest value Seymour ever had is right now. Even then, no one could have imagined he would be worth a 1st round pick (let alone a pick that will most likely be a top 5-10 in 2011).

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I don't know about Seymour being over the hill. I don't agree with that opinion. This is a good trade, IMO. It gives this team a lot of flexibility in the future. It's a good position to be in. I'm just still in shock that it had to come at the cost of trading Seymour.

I wonder who approached who in this trade. The patriots have a stockpile of draft picks so its not likely that they would approach the the raiders, but seymour is in his contract year.

If the raiders approached the patriots then this just means that Seymour was on their radar from a while back.

With the way the raiders draft, I think its safe to say the raiders can afford to give up a first round pick. With the offensive talent of the patriots and talent at the DL, the patriots can afford to loose seymour, especially if seymour doesnt sign and extension.

If this trade had been flipped, everyone would be saying it was a Patriots' steal for getting the best 3-4 defensive lineman in football for a #1 pick 2 years down the road, and getting him when they'd be able to pay any price necessary to keep him in the offseason due to the uncapped year.

This is just another trade where people are rating it mostly because of the parties involved rather than because of the actual trade.

I admit I am conflicted about this.
Is this good value for a player in his final year when we are in contract hell? Yes.
Is the defence better today than it was with RS? No.

The Patriots have always succeeded by picking long term value over short term measures so I guess the trade is a good one. I'm just not sure I'll feel that way if the defence costs us a title this year.

The D line is the deepest position for quality IMO. So we can afford to give up a great player and not hurt the D overall. As we know the team didn't have the money to pay Wilfolk, Mankins & Sey, Sey at this point in time has the least value to the team, and wouldn't take a hometown discount.

So a 1st in 2011 with the possibility of the Raiders falling behind the Cheifs and Bronco's + a rookie salary cap is a great value in return.

reflexblue said:

I always like Seymour but i think we can make up for his loss. So imo its a good strategic move by.

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I understand the move and I'm on board with it (like that matters) but I still expect Seymour to have an outstanding year in Oakland for several reasons, taking on one blocker in a 4-3 and the fact that this is a contract year for him. The fact remains whether from injury or whatever, while he is a top elite D-lineman he was arguably better his first 4-5 years in the league than . recently.
When Ellis Hobbs recently talked about people not playing through injuries, was he referencing Seymour?Hobbs missed one game in 4 years and Seymour missed 12.
I wonder what Matt Cassel is thinking today, knowing that he has to face Seymour twice a year and this time he's not wearing the red non-contact jersey!! It will make watching the Oak-Den or the Oak-KC games more interesting to watch...and count all the former Patriots.

Damn- this trade makes us significantly worse in 2009, so that sucks. Seymour, IMO, was one of the 3 or 4 most valuable players on the team, but clearly the Pats knew they wouldn't be able to re-sign him, and felt it was worth a first round pick to forego a year of his services. Honestly, as much as I like Seymour, I think that's a fair assessment.

If nothing else, hopefully this will give Sey a chance to dominate in Oakland, and means that Belichick likes how Brace is coming along. People saying that Seymour is overrated, or anything short of the best 3-4 DE in football, though, are crazy.

For those who may have miss it....

Thank you Richard for your years of hard work....three to be exact!

i have been form day 1 a Richard Seymour big fan

thanks to him for everything and good luck !

all the best # 93 !

BradyFTW! said:

Damn- this trade makes us significantly worse in 2009, so that sucks. Seymour, IMO, was one of the 3 or 4 most valuable players on the team, but clearly the Pats knew they wouldn't be able to re-sign him, and felt it was worth a first round pick to forego a year of his services. Honestly, as much as I like Seymour, I think that's a fair assessment.

If nothing else, hopefully this will give Sey a chance to dominate in Oakland, and means that Belichick likes how Brace is coming along. People saying that Seymour is overrated, or anything short of the best 3-4 DE in football, though, are crazy.

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The more I think about it, the less I like this trade. I'm not happy. This was a bad move and we will see the results on the field.

DefenseRules said:

The more I think about it, the less I like this trade. I'm not happy. This was a bad move and we will see the results on the field.

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This year, it definitely will. It showed up in every run metric that it's just impossible to run the ball at Seymour, and he was our top pass rusher last year, so we've just simultaneously downgraded our pass defense and run defense by a large margin. That sucks, and I'll be curious to see how much the Pats' odds to win the SB drop in Vegas today. I definitely *don't* like this trade for now, since the 2009 defense was just made much, much worse, and we didn't get proper value for Seymour.

That said, Seymour's in the last year of his contract, and I don't think anyone here was optimistic about him being re-signed. Post-2009, we'll have a 2011 first round pick instead of a 2010 3rd round comp pick. IF the Raiders suck in 2010, and IF there is some kind of rookie salary scale in the next CBA, then this could be a great trade. More likely, though, we're just dealing him for 50 cents on the dollar while we still have him, and I'm not a huge fan of anything that hurts the Pats' '09 title chances (which this definitely does).

So, taking the long view, I think this trade has some merits, although I don't agree with moves that lessen our chances to win SBs during Brady's prime on a pretty fundamental philosophical level. I think it was a good trade, in some respects, but I definitely don't like it. And for anyone who is comparing this to the Milloy release, first off, Milloy wasn't a third the player that Seymour is, and the difference between getting released and traded for a first round pick is pretty ******* huge.

OTOH, I'll freely admit that I could be biased about the whole thing, since, after Brady and Bruschi, Seymour was my favorite player. Losing 2 of the 3 in the span of just a few days sucks in a huge way...

This has the feel to it of the Lawyer Milloy release in many way especially opening vs Buffalo, let's hope that result is different but the end result is the same. Bill knew what he had in Rodney and let Lawyer walk. I have to think he knows what he has in Brace and Pryor and feels that they're not going to lose much short term and the long term gain is huge.

Patriots must be certain about lockout

I think this move was also made because the PATS FO must be sure that there will be a lockout in 2011.
This is one way to prepare for the lockout by not tossing megabucks out teh window in 2009 and 2010, especially for players they feel they are not getting equal value in return.

By preparing financially for 2011 lockout, the Patriots will be in better shape than 95% of the team sin this league