Reiss thinks Brady maybe hurt more then Pats letting on

DaBruinz said:

Ian - People said the same thing about Tom Curran when Curran ran the story about Brady back in March. And Curran ended up eating a lot of crow on that.

I would be very surprised if Brady dislocated his shoulder or broke his collarbone. I am pretty sure those are both extremely painful and he wouldn't have been able to move his arm at all..

If anything, he might have suffered a shoulder separation. Which isn't nearly as bad as a dislocation. But it will take a couple weeks to start being healthy again.

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I agree with most of this, this is only MR's personal feeling and that's it. He knows nothing more than most of us. Reiss is a good reporter but he isn't in the Patriots inner circle.

The thing is that we are patriots fans therefore we don't have any idea because the entire organization is tight-lipped.

The only person we have heard from is Ocho Cinco, so I'm inclined to believe him right now.

Please note that when Brady is helped up, he quickly reaches out with his right hand and pulls himself up. Sure, it hurt. It was awkward, and it was Albert Haynesworth. I doubt it's serious.

I think collarbone break is out of the questions as that is way too painful to disguise. Separated shoulder possibly - but very slight. Rotator cuff strain/deltoid strain would be my guess. Its very possible but it looked like he had pretty full range of motion.

Horace's Ivories said:

I think collarbone break is out of the questions as that is way too painful to disguise. Separated shoulder possibly - but very slight. Rotator cuff strain/deltoid strain would be my guess. Its very possible but it looked like he had pretty full range of motion.

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I once broke a little knob on my shoulder (greater tuberosity somesuch) which is has the same symptoms as a partial tear of the rotator cuff. I was alone on a boat and needed to make sure it wasn't a dislocated shoulder, which would have required immediate assistance, so I rotated my arm over my head.

Man, did that hurt.

I'm no doctor and I didn't stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night, but I wouldn't think he has a torn rotator cuff.

GullyFoyle said:

Heres what I know about Reiss, he is not a Pats fan,and he is getting paid to wildly speculate,negativity sells. He is no better than Borges,Shank,or Ryan.His digs at the team are just more subtle because hes their beat reporter and needs to not upset the apple cart. But he always underestimates the team;always.

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WOW. I've never seen such animosity towards Reiss.. In fact, Your pretty ignorant to be putting Reiss in with the likes of a plagiarist and two drunks.

When it comes to the facts, Reiss is great at reporting it. When it comes to speculation, Reiss is like any other human being. Saying he is like Borges, Shank and Ryan is a plain insult to Reiss.

Reiss doesn't always "underestimate" this team. If anything, he typically is realistic about this team.

PYPER said:

He also believes the team will keep Slater and begin the season with only 3 OT's.

Nice guy, yes........football genius, not so much.

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Why wouldn't the team keep Slater? He's one of their best special teams players..

As for carrying just 3 OTs to start the season. That's a real possibility if they start with LaVoir on the PUP..

DaBruinz said:

WOW. I've never seen such animosity towards Reiss.. In fact, Your pretty ignorant to be putting Reiss in with the likes of a plagiarist and two drunks.

When it comes to the facts, Reiss is great at reporting it. When it comes to speculation, Reiss is like any other human being. Saying he is like Borges, Shank and Ryan is a plain insult to Reiss.

Reiss doesn't always "underestimate" this team. If anything, he typically is realistic about this team.

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Yes, and the guy who wrote that has 3 posts total. Disregarding the hysterical anti-Reiss nonsense is my suggestion.

As someone who has had both a shoulder separation and multiple dislocations, there is no way that it was a dislocation, and most of you already know that. The pain is excruciating beyond belief, especially the first time. There is no way that one could do anything with that arm. As for a separation, I was able to continue running after that injury, but could not have thrown a football very far. The next day it hurt like hell, and it was sore for two weeks.

It is certainly possible that he suffered some sort of minor tweak, and he is probably especially attuned to whether anything FEELS wrong. Probably the sort of thing that would get better after a few weeks of ice and rest, followed by a program of strengthening exercises--which he probably already does.

I guess I'm suggesting that the injury is probably likely to freak him out, but might not necessitate missing the first game, or any time this year, if he keeps working on it. I feel optimistic...

This topic says Reiss thinks it's more serious but why does he think that?

From the replays and my knowledge and what others have said, it's highly unlikely to be serious as he wouldn't be on the sideline rotating his arm the way he did without showing some sign of pain or throwing balls aswell.

I'll take what BB says on this one and it's the normal bumps and brusies and the reason he didn't come out for the 3rd was precaution and nothing more. He'll probably be in training in the next few days and we'll all wondered what the fuss was all about.

This is the problem with supporting the Pats, a player goes down and you will never get any kind of info on an injury and it frustrates fans but the team isn't here to please the fans but to win.

Reiss knows what he's doing and that's showing ESPN that he's got what it takes.

DaBruinz said:

Ian - People said the same thing about Tom Curran when Curran ran the story about Brady back in March. And Curran ended up eating a lot of crow on that.

I would be very surprised if Brady dislocated his shoulder or broke his collarbone. I am pretty sure those are both extremely painful and he wouldn't have been able to move his arm at all..

If anything, he might have suffered a shoulder separation. Which isn't nearly as bad as a dislocation. But it will take a couple weeks to start being healthy again.

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I had a shoulder dislocation. Brady wouldn't have been moving his arm much at all if that had been the case. Same with a separation. I think that, at most, he strained a muscles of muscles, because, even with a body in peak form, there is still a high level of pain associated with tears and damage in the shoulder area. It's something he would be hard-placed to hide on the sidelines.

I'm not a doctor, just speaking from my own personal experience which, along with $5.00, will get me a cuppa Joe at Starbucks..

A couple random thoughts on a thread of pure speculation.

1) The thing about Brady is that he has a history of pushing it when his body is injuried. In other words, the guy got up using his right arm and then went and threw the ball around, where he may have been better off just calling it a day immediately....but Brady is tough and he sometimes pushes it to the limit. Just saying that if he is injuried, he is not going to show it to the world. We don't know nothing.

2) His shoulder and his whole throwing arm was a horrible mess for both 2003-2004, and those were the glory years....just saying.

3) I hope it is minor. He heals quick. Maybe he dodged a bullet.

DaBruinz said:

WOW. I've never seen such animosity towards Reiss.. In fact, Your pretty ignorant to be putting Reiss in with the likes of a plagiarist and two drunks.

When it comes to the facts, Reiss is great at reporting it. When it comes to speculation, Reiss is like any other human being. Saying he is like Borges, Shank and Ryan is a plain insult to Reiss.

Reiss doesn't always "underestimate" this team. If anything, he typically is realistic about this team.

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Realistic is just what people say instead of pessimistic. He picks this team to have less wins than it ends up having every year, so hes not being realistic.

Reiss is a reporter like Shank and Ryan and Borges. They dont like our team, they want bad things to happen to our team. It sells papers and generates hits on their site.

Do not call me ignorant. I would say that you and the Mike Reiss fan club are the "naive" ones.

He is purely speculating about his shoulder, and negatively, like Borges Ryan and Shank do.

With him being a beat reporter I find his wild speculation,to be maddening.

I have no animosity to Reiss, I also have no animosity to lions or bears. They do what is in their nature. Lions kill, Bears kill, Reporters,thrive on bad news even if they have to create it.

Mussolinni only looks good standing next to Hitler and Stalin.

5 Rings for Brady!! said:

2) His shoulder and his whole throwing arm was a horrible mess for both 2003-2004, and those were the glory years....just saying.

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He is back to "Probable - right Shoulder" in injury report, I think the last piece of puzzle fell in place. He is getting his fourth ring this year

No way the shoulder was separated or collarbone broke, If Riess thinks that, he's nuts. Torn rotator though (which he could have some movement with), would be just as bad and you can't (sadly) rule that out at this point. Number #1, with both, you know something is wrong RIGHT AWAY. The fact that Brady went to the sideline and appeared to be trying to "shake it out", then immediately called Fred Taylor over to sit down and talk to him about the blown play from that series, tells me that he thinks it was nothing.

Add to that that there NEVER was any trainers around him and he was doing some loose throwing and appeared every bit to be thinking that he was gonna go back out there and play some more. He even came out like he was gonna play after the half and got sent back in the Locker Room. My guess is that he tweaked something, which will take a little bit to heal, and may linger a bit into the season, but whatever it is, is not major. BB gave him the hook as a precaution, but Tom didn't appear that he knew that til last minute.

Ocho also tweeted that Brady got back to him and said "no biggie". In response to a "you okay" text from him. Ocho is a lot of things, but I doubt he pulled that from left field. BB will be certainly admonishing players not to do that in the future. Ocho tweeted that for a reason and he's not dumb enough to do it from left field.

At this point, my "speculation" is based on observation and is likely just as valid as Riess's. I hope I'm right and he is wrong.

BadMoFo said:

Matt Light made comments about him being fine as did Chris Baker. If he was really hurt, I think they would have kept their mouths shut.

Only concern for me is why didn't Brady talk after the game. He's normally always talking after the game.

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5 Rings for Brady!! said:

You are an idiot.

No, seriously. You are an idiot.

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Really? I am an idiot because I dont agree with you about a reporter. Is this how new members are treated here? I wont call you an idiot because I am not a troll and have more respect for this site and myself. The administrators of this site have a lot of work to do in cleaning out bad members like yourself. I will not be insulted on a "friendly" football site. You need to grow up son.

Patriot_in_NY said:

No way the shoulder was separated or collarbone broke, If Riess thinks that, he's nuts. Torn rotator though (which he could have some movement with), would be just as bad and you can't (sadly) rule that out at this point. Number #1, with both, you know something is wrong RIGHT AWAY. The fact that Brady went to the sideline and appeared to be trying to "shake it out", then immediately called Fred Taylor over to sit down and talk to him about the blown play from that series, tells me that he thinks it was nothing.

Add to that that there NEVER was any trainers around him and he was doing some loose throwing and appeared every bit to be thinking that he was gonna go back out there and play some more. He even came out like he was gonna play after the half and got sent back in the Locker Room. My guess is that he tweaked something, which will take a little bit to heal, and may linger a bit into the season, but whatever it is, is not major. BB gave him the hook as a precaution, but Tom didn't appear that he knew that til last minute.

Ocho also tweeted that Brady got back to him and said "no biggie". In response to a "you okay" text from him. Ocho is a lot of things, but I doubt he pulled that from left field. BB will be certainly admonishing players not to do that in the future. Ocho tweeted that for a reason and he's not dumb enough to do it from left field.

At this point, my "speculation" is based on observation and is likely just as valid as Riess's. I hope I'm right and he is wrong.

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I agree with everything you just said; well said friend

Frezo said:

Reiss knows what he's doing and that's showing ESPN that he's got what it takes.

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Exactly and using their tactics

I understand its a good move for Reiss but is he already casting himself to the likes of his new employer :bricks: